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    I am probably asking a silly question when I ask if anyone has dared to go to Russia w/a chair. I want to go to St. Petersberg and study (as much as I'd love Moscow, I hear there are zero lifts) I've begun studying russian to hopefully work in Germany (complicated)
    Any Russian expierienes? THe furthest east I've been is to Romania.
    Thanks!

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    i've heard accessibility is a nightmare there. you'll def need to go with a good attitude and a buff man to lift yo ass up all those stairs.
    May the fetus you save be gay

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Theophania:

      i've heard accessibility is a nightmare there. you'll def need to go with a good attitude and a buff man to lift yo ass up all those stairs.
      [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] What she said ... [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

      When Scott (C7) and I went to Russia to adopt the children in 1996, my brother traveled with us as Scott's aid. Best decision we made--next to adopting the children! [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

      However, Andrea, it's well worth the effort. I love Russia, and St. Petersburg is an unbelievably beautiful city, at least parts are. The more you learn of its history the more the whole country opens up as an exciting adventure into the past. Geez, wish I could go, but I don't think I'm buff enough to haul you up stairs! [img]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

      ~ Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.~ [img]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        Hello Andrea, I just got back from a 14nite northern European cruise which included two days in St. Petersburg, Russia. Make sure you have a visa and be prepared for very little access. The Hermitage museum has 3 to 4 steps to get inside but they have very large men as security that will help. Once in, very accessible. The Peter Hoff was for the most part accessible, a lot of hills but a must see. Taxi drivers are kind and helpful. Over all Russia has a long way to go as far as wheelchair access goes. Good luck and be patient. My wife made good friends with our interpretor and she now understands what accessible means. If you would like I can give you her email address

        George Croushorn
        Sometimes the lights all shinin on me; Other times I can barely see. Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip its been: The Grateful Dead

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        • #5
          Here is some recent information on resources in St. Petersburg:

          http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1502/june04.htm

          (KLD)
          The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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          • #6
            It's all quite discouraging. I will contact Universities in the area. I will (or, would) be going not for pleasure rather to learn. I don't need to be fluent, but proficient and know the technological terminology. It doesn't seem so difficult after one gets past that alphabet.
            It's also societal prejudices that frighten me a little. But, we'll see. I haven't let fear dictate my life thus far.
            Martha, my Dad's cousin (the one urging me to learn Russian - she works there) adopted 2 boys and says they are the sweetest most adorable children. Do you speak Russian? Was it difficult to learn?
            Thanks again [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              Andrea, I bought the Pimsleur tape series, and sat in Atlanta traffic for months, talking to myself in Russian. I didn't go through the whole series--maybe just the first tape or two. However, what I learned was SO helpful! It wasn't difficult at all, just takes time, but like I said usually listened while commuting into the city or running errands, traveling, doing housework. I also bought a workbook. The Russian/Cyrillic alphabet is confusing, but also beautiful--Russian alphabet.

              God, how I love Russia! Can you tell I'm jealous? [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

              You're exactly right about the societal prejudices. In 1996 the STARES and GAWKING Scott got from the locals was beyond belief. For decades in the Soviet Union the citizens were told there were no "imperfect" people. Instead they were warehoused away. [img]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img]

              However, the people themselves are for the most part compassionate, friendly and helpful; but there's an initial shyness or xenophobia possibly that they have to get over. Just smile your beautiful smile and show them you're not afraid or ashamed. Russians admire that quality in all people. [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

              ~ Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.~ [img]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                Russia seems to have a magneticly mysterious component to it which I find intriguing. Yes, the Crylloc alphabet is a pain, but, surprisingly phonetic. Vera (my dad's cousin) is absolutely in love w/the country and language (your words remind me of her!) I had no idea what a "commodity" Russian language is - especially since I speak German too.
                A MAJOR reason I have such an impulse to go to E.Europe would be to help "rebuild" the Baltic/Slavic states (including Hungary, Romania etc...) and get the institutionalised out of the asylums they've been kept in. There are so many opportunities.
                I think the language sounds rather -well- harsh, but I suppose German does too [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] My neighbor is from the Ukraine, so I may consult with her, too.

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                • #9
                  I traveled to Tallinn, Estonia, in March 1992 with a group and spent about a week there. What an experience! The people ... God love em ... The people were so strong, tough, stubborn but at the same time so gentle and caring--again, once they got over that initial shyness. We went from there to St. Petersburg for about a week or so, then down to Moscow. It was quite a trip.

                  I so badly wanted to return to the Baltic states, but this time to Latvia or Lithuania, but never had the opportunity (read that "permission for now ex husband" [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]) to return. However we both were able to go in 1996 to get the children.

                  Please continue to keep us posted on your decisions and work. I for one am having a wonderful time living a little vicariously through you! [img]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]

                  ~ Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.~ [img]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    (**Have a foggy head - am ill w/a very surprise UTI and have taken 2 percoçetes to relieve my poor backand an antibiotic which makes me sleepy. Dreaming of other places makes me feel better, always!**)

                    Как дела?
                    I'll be in the US at least 6 months more. I was expecting to at least be in Washington by now, but I had no idea how complicated (in an easy, yet, pain-in-the-ass way) federal employment is. I'm going to study Russian in Boca Raton at FAU while doing my boring translating work part-time till mid-December.
                    I saw those "Speak Russian in 30 days!" boxed sets in Barnes&Noble. I may have to pick up a set. I spend far too much time in traffic :-/

                    So, why can't you go back to Eastern Europe? I don't know anything about you or your (Ex?) husband (except you're very sweet) It's beautiful and once there, very cheap ... how old are your kids? Have you been to Slovenia? That's another place I'm dying to go. I wish life wasn't full of boring and soulless obligations and I could just keep a bag packed and my passport near my car keys! My whole life has been the same - I act nearly immediately on impulses and have a bad case of what's known as "Reiselust" (Travel or wanderlust) I was talking about that last night w/my mom and how I'm always seeking change. I hate to think of having a static life or getting trapped inertia like so many people seem to do...
                    Hmmm, this has veered away from the topic! Would love to hear more of your travel & kids (do you speak in both english & Russian to them?) - Andrea

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                    • #11
                      Andrea, sorry about your UTI, etc. Dreaming of other places makes me feel better too. Maybe that's why I became a writer. [img]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/img] There are lots of language sets, even free lessons on the internet that my daughter and I have looked into, but, she's 15 ... what can I say? Loses interest in learning Russian REAL fast. Boys are a MAJOR distraction these days.

                      Every now and then I'll "fuss" [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img] at the kids in Russian, and they think it's funny. It's a way of keeping a little bit of the language alive for them. They actually learned English very quickly. Ruslan, who was 4 at the time, was talking in his sleep in English 3 months after we adopted him! I've kept the tapes, workbook, lots of books/DVDs about the czars, especially the Romanovs, historical novels about Russia, biographies about Stalin and Rasputin, artwork, china (entire blue & white coffee service), religious carvings ... everything I could manage to haul back from Russia or purchase here. We attend every exhibit that comes within our area. I sense my love and enthusiasm for the history of Russia fuels their interest as well--maybe it will really ignite in the future. Right now they just want to fit in as normal American kids. [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

                      Unfortunately, their father and I are divorced now. He's a quad who had become very ill when I initially joined CareCure two years ago. Today he's healthy, successfully self employed, and fiercely independent, living alone in his own apartment (about to buy a house)--and that's pretty good for a complete C7. In spite of our problems, we get along pretty well, both wanting what's best for the children. BTW, he (and probably a lot of other people around here) would question your assessment that I am "very sweet"! LOL. I just try to get along as best I can, but my temper rears its vile head all too often. [img]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img]

                      Eastern Europe. Do you get that ache and longing in your heart and gut when you think about the Baltic region? I do. Makes me want to cry. Maybe I'm destined to return there one day, but not any time soon. My job now is to be a mom, pay my bills, and keep my home in functioning order. The children and I often talk about returning to Russia, to Novgorod where they were born. Novgorod I believe is the oldest settlement in western Russia. It's got a Kremlin as well, just not as fancy and big as the one in Moscow at Red Square.

                      I've never visited Slovenia, but one of my favorite and most memorable experiences was visiting an ancient Catholic church in Tallinn. It was built in the 12th century, and it was huge! The stone work was magnificent! I'd love to see that again.

                      I don't know about you, but I remember returning to Atlanta (where we were living at the time) after almost 3 weeks in Eastern Europe and Russia. Talk about culture shock! I was literally repulsed by the frivilous, decadent lifestyle we led. It wasn't really--not by American standards anyway--but I kept looking around our 2/BR 2/bath apartment w/12 foot ceilings and all the amenities thinking, "We don't need all this! What a waste of money!!" I managed to get over that in time [img]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img], but I've never forgotten it. I no longer forget to count my blessings.

                      As you're well aware now, wheelchair accessibility is virtually non-existent. I hate to even imagine what the lack of medical awareness and care would be like. Scott and I briefly discussed moving to Russia after my first trip there, but the more we investigated, the more discouraged we became. However ... much has changed since 1992! So don't give up your dream. Follow your heart. [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

                      ~ Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.~ [img]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

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                      • #12
                        Andea

                        надеюÑ?ÑŒ Ñ‚Ñ‹ в порÑ?дке?[img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

                        I'm from Ukraine what many people think is Russia, but it was part of Soviet Union-Which still everybody Still call russia

                        Anyway I maybe of some help

                        I was borne in Kiev-mother of Russian cities[img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

                        I could be reached ether in private topics-not sure it monitored here[img]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]
                        Yahoo - maksym7@yahoo.com

                        You need to love Russia-to hate it!

                        Bet you intrigued to know what Russian/Slavic soul is? [img]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/img]

                        I met lots of western people who tried to figure it out applying western logic [img]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

                        I don't think I'm going to stay with this forums as contributor anymore-I still will be lurker.....

                        Because I respect my freedom as anybody else respect his/her/it[img]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]! ......

                        In the Great tradition of Russian Anarhism [img]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

                        [This message was edited by Max on 08-03-04 at 12:18 AM.]
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