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    #46
    Confession time: Sometimes, people shoot guns all their life for fun. Then they get involved with shooting sport instruction... become NRA Certified Instructror in rifle, shotgun, pistol, muzzle loader rifle, home safety, PLUS become a Range Safety Officer.

    A couple of points not made thus far: Are your in your own house... or apartment? Anyone else in the house and usually in another room? Since wall penetration is sometimes big deal, the professionals recommend a shotgun with bird shot. at distances less than 40 feet, the discharge is most injurious. At distances less than 25 feet, the wound is highly lethal. (shoot bird shot into a half-inch plywood at various distances for evaluation. You quickly understand.)

    Rounds such as 9mm are not that popular in law enforcement. Preference is 40 and 45 acp. Revolvers are the most reliable for 6 or 7 shots. The 357-sig round is an 1800fps round designed to penetrate automobile... hence used by DPS/Highway Patrol in Texas.

    As noted, racking a shotgun is a universally understood signal.

    Youth have less of a chance for personal injury TO THEMSELVES with a shotgun. Pistols, however, are perhaps slightly more convenient.

    Personal 5-button key vaults cost about 50-80 bucks on the low end. Essential if youth are in the house with pistols. Plus the 5-key entry is also a sobriety and cognitive awareness test for the owner of the firearm.

    For fun shooting, try floor tile... uninstalled, of course. Easy to get it free... and the target is reactive.

    Double action shooting is amazingly difficult when it comes to tight-group accuracy. But for most high quality semi=auto pistols, the second shot is single action for sure. (Glocks are called double action... but they are far closer to single action guns when it comes to trigger creep.)

    If you buy a pistol for personal protection, as opposed to target shooting, get one with an adequate trigger pull, assuming you have moderate hand function. Light triggers are not recommended for home protection. If you want the hardest-to-pull factory trigger, the Glocks are available with a "New York" trigger... something like 11 or 12 pound pull.

    Check out www.cdnninvestments.com for reasonable "deals" on good used pistols.

    And practice regularly. Clean the gun afterwards. Never use WD=40. Talk to a good gunsmith. Gander Mountain has one, usually.

    And for a gun that is almost 100 years old in design, the 1911 45 ACP pistol is still popular in law enforcement. Wonderful safety systems. Of course, the rack-the-slide is a hand and grip strength issue. But then again, a youth (under 8) has a tough time racking in a round on most semi-autos.

    Hope this helps.

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      #47
      Originally posted by arndog View Post
      Well, I finally had my introduction to firearms and it was a blast (pun). I got a chance to shoot a .358mag/38, a 1911 45 semiautomatic which I liked the best so far, and a 9mm double action. I could stand without holding my cane, and discharge these and the recoil was not that bad.
      I got rid of my initial fear of a loaded weapon and really enjoyed the target shooting.
      I do appreciate all the good replies on this thread.
      I need to go to the shooting range again to process all that I learned and think it over.
      Hopefully next week, my friend can take me there again.
      Sounds like you had a good time, Jon. I'm quite fond of the .45 in a 1911 as well. Because you use a cane, if you go this route it would probably be a good idea to get one that's ambidextrious so you aren't fumbling for the safety if it's in your left hand.

      Given the cost of ammo these days, i recently got into reloading for my .45. That's another hobby all to itself, but it is saving me money. Either that, or at least I'm practicing more for the same money.

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        #48
        See if you can try out a Glock, that's my favorite. No funny levers to monkey with, you pull the trigger and it goes off. And that trigger first pull is much like single action instead of having to go though a double action pull with anything else 1911's excluded (but I cant get myself to be comfortable with a fully charged hammer spring being held by ~1mm of metal at the sear so those arent my choice).

        Did I mention that I really like the Glock 19?

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          #49
          Keep the Mossberg 500 pistol grip, #4 buckshot beside the bed. House is real small, so whoever decides to enter unwelcomed will catch hell.

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            #50
            Dunno Jon,
            But there is always the option of a two-ring-defence. Like say in the inner ring of you’re lot or house you make a ring of outside of that with electronic radars and devises to automatically kill the intruders, all connected to a main control room in you’re home. Then on the second line (ring) of defence, all detectors, and weapons comes to play. Like automatic cluster bombs released from the first line of defence. All from you’re kitchen switchgear contolrom?

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              #51
              Thanks topspin for your good advice.
              Dave - thanks
              Andy - okay, I will check out the Glock - isn't that middle gun in my photo a Glock 9 mm like you are recommending?
              Leif - I have a moat around my house filled with pyranna fish and I am installing barbed wire..

              I spoke to another friend who wants me to try shotguns which I didn't try. He wants me to try a pump action, gas triggered and a 12 and 20 gauge to see what is best. So that will be next week.

              Interestingly, Safari Club International is meeting here in Reno, NV this week.

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                #52
                If not, try this, the RWS Protector (don’t pay to much attention to the flares, that is optional). Made and engineered here. US Stryker brigades says it is the best (see US army website).

                Last edited by Leif; 23 Jan 2009, 10:10 PM.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by addiesue View Post
                  bang

                  If you are in my house and you shouldn't be. I will shoot you.
                  Attagirl! I like the way you think.

                  Too bad you weren't at home when you had your last visitors. Sorry.
                  "It is every man's obligation to put back into the world at least the equivalent of what he takes out of it. Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value." - Albert Einstein

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                    #54
                    Here where I live ppl not always lock doors, I often forget, but with ppl like addiesue on the loose I’m not sure about that anymore.

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                      #55
                      arndog- I think the middle gun is a H&K

                      But for ideal home protection...how about a double mounted short barrel pair of 1919's?

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Leif View Post
                        Here where I live ppl not always lock doors, I often forget, but with ppl like addiesue on the loose I’m not sure about that anymore.
                        Addiesue is the one who just had her home broken into several days ago, while she was out. I'd say that pretty well validates that she has a legitimate need for a way to protect herself and her kids.

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                          #57
                          Leif I won't shoot you unless you come in my home uninvited, I don't think you have anything to fear unless you were planning a trip. If you were please cancel.

                          By the way I don't just fire at anything. If you identify yourself you'll be fine.
                          If you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.


                          Sometimes it is easier to widen doors than it is to open minds.

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                            #58
                            I conceal carry a S&W model 657 .41 mag w/6" barrel and Hakko (EOS) sight. I shot a 293 out of a possible 300 qualifying. I have a custom made leather pouch I attach to the front of my chair that holds my weapon. It also has 3 other pouches that hold cash, credit cards and small tool kit, cath supplies and a few other incidentals. It rides between my knees and is completely innoccuous to anyone I meet. In fact, everyone says "it looks like it's supposed to be there."

                            I agree that the 1911 .45 is an excellent choice, but that's my personal preference. Use what fits and feels best to YOU in YOUR HAND. Equally important is ammo that matches your firearms' harmonics.

                            My qualifying score is what it is because I use ammo I hand made, tuned specifically for my firearm. If I had used store bought ammo I probably wouldn't have met the minimum 195 shot score to qualify. Having said that, if you're not interested in reloading for accuracy and greatly reduced cost I highly recommend buying a minimum of 3 different manufacturer's ammo (i.e. Federal, Winchester, Remington, etc). You'll be amazed at how innacurrate some ammo will be in your firearm. Without going into a long speil of why you'll have to trust me and try several different brands and also several different bullet weights as well.

                            A recent example, a friend of mine bought a taurus .357 snub nose revolver. At 7 yards he could NOT hit a 1 gallon milk jug with it! He tried every brand of ammo he could find then we bought dies and made a batch of reloads that shot best but still not accurate enough and needed more testing. In frustration he traded the gun in for a Baretta 9mm (newer model, I forget what it is). He also qualified for concealed carry shooting a 198 out of a possible 300. In practice he shot a 248 using Remington ammo. However, he forgot Remingtons worked best and instead bought Winchesters. He almost didn't qualify using the Winchester ammo (195 is the minimum score & he shot a 198). There is a difference, a BIG difference in what your firearm will like for ammo...

                            Good luck!
                            "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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                              #59
                              My instructor told us, this is a pass/fail shooting test. I honestly couldn't tell you what my score was(looked pretty good from the holes I remembered) because he quickly rolled up the targets. I passed, qualifying w/ my Sig 228 9mm.

                              He said this is for your benefit, if you ever got hauled into court for having shot someone. He said the lawyer would ask your score, and if you scored very well, would hit you with, "just been waiting to shoot someone haven't you?". If you scored low, it would be "do you really think you should be shooting your gun in [insert situation] when you just barely qualified?". All in trying to besmirch your character.

                              Is he right? Who knows...
                              "a T10, who'd Rather be ridin'; than rollin'"

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by stlyin moe View Post
                                I conceal carry a S&W model 657 .41 mag w/6" barrel and Hakko (EOS) sight. I shot a 293 out of a possible 300 qualifying. I have a custom made leather pouch I attach to the front of my chair that holds my weapon. It also has 3 other pouches that hold cash, credit cards and small tool kit, cath supplies and a few other incidentals. It rides between my knees and is completely innoccuous to anyone I meet. In fact, everyone says "it looks like it's supposed to be there."



                                Good luck!
                                Do you mind posting a pic of your pouch? I have seen several different ones but not one with other compartments.
                                If you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.


                                Sometimes it is easier to widen doors than it is to open minds.

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