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    #16
    we're all different......for me neuront finally stopped working and i needed out of the fog...lyrica works now..lower dose, better results...but neither makes the pain "go away"

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      #17
      Has anyone had the sharp pains in arms and legs once in a while while taking lyrica. I'm being raised up to 600mg a day for migriane and leg pain.
      I have some relief of leg pain but the arms are having sharp pain with shoulder cramps. If anyone has any input or ideas please let me know. Thanks for the information I have already have received from you all.

      Have a nice weekend.

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        #18
        Originally posted by alan
        I'd need to get another PT to show where to place the pads, and what settings to try.
        I hope you have an open-minded PT. They have access to machines that have a nice, wide range of settings and modes. Your situation might benefit from an unconventional approach.

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          #19
          I was taking Gabbapentin 1200 mg x3 times a day for my neuro pain, then my doctor told me that drug lyrica might help. So I started taking 75 mg x3 and I started having some bad side effects. So I had to cut down on my Gabbapentin by half, of course I was tapering off, but I still had the same side effects. The memory loss was horrible I couldn't remember anything, my hands would curl up real tight and start shaking violently along with my shoulders shaking too. So I did not like it too much so I tapered off of it. I went back to what I was on before
          C4 incomplete since 1985

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            #20
            Lyrica vs. Neurontin

            I'm new here too. I was searching for Lyrica info when I found this site.
            I have chronic Cervical Spine problems, and am trying to avoid more surgery. I have used Neurontin for about six months at a moderate dose, with only minimal relief, but no side effects at all. My pain Dr. this week prescribed Lyrica for me to try instead. I am also takeing Oxycontin 20, hydrocodone 10/500 for pain. In addition I take Effexor 225mg, and 150 Wellbutrin XL for depression that chronic pain has a lot to do with. The Doctor prescribed 1 150mg Lyrica daily to start with. I took the first one early in the morning, and was asleep within a half hour. I woke up about four hours later and was exstatic!! Pain was just plain gone! I laid in bed and just cried in relief. Nothing had ever even approached this level of relief. Then reality struck, I felt somewhere between drunk, stoned or on an acid trip. I was unable to walk straight, I had the attention span of a fly. Throughout the day, I had random muscle spasms and electric like tics. For my next dose I waited a full day and took the Lyrica just before bedtime. I slept for 9 hours, got up, drank two cups of coffee, and fell asleep for another four hours. After that, I had a full painfree day, but with the same side effects as before. I am stopping Lyrica immediately, but have called Dr. to ask for a reduced dosage. For me, in this short period of time, Lyrica has been both a wonder Drug and a Disaster. I have been afraid to drive, or really even leave the house, but the pain was gone. Hopefully, at a lower dose, or smaller doses spread throughout the day, I can start Lyriica again and find a happy medium between side effects and pain. I wish you the very best with your pain, and would definetly recomend giving Lyrica a try.

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              #21
              Im on the Max Safe dosage of lryica and Notice no side effects at all. (300mg, 3x day, 2 years) I tried NervRotten, and it did nothing but cause me to have Sound Pain.(as described in this thread "noise and pain" . But Everyone is different. As for the Cost. You Defently Should Apply for Med-a-cade. They help cover the cost of medications. Pain management is a Long discovery processes, Alot of Trial -n- Error. Ex. Been 2 years yesterday since my personal nightmear, and I now manage to have 3-4 good hours a day w/o unbareable pain, Which is better then last years 24/h Hell, but hay, the Burning Stopped (A Possible Burining Pain Solution for Some). So its going to be a long ~VeRy~ Hard Road for us all.
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                #22
                Originally posted by patricks
                Im on the Max Safe dosage of lryica and Notice no side effects at all. (300mg, 3x day, 2 years).
                are you on 300 a day or 900 a day?
                i think 300mg a day is the medium dose, i think you can go higher
                cauda equina

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                  #23
                  Lryica, 900 mg a day .. 300mg every 8 hours, and from my understanding, its the max daily dosage.
                  Shame soo many are too Stupid and Greedy to realize what truly matters in life.
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                    #24
                    i was put on neurontin and i hated it. it made me cloudy, i had difficulty concentrating and i was nasty. thing is, i didn't even need the stuff!

                    anyway, if you try neurontin, you'll have to wean off should you want to stop taking it.
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                      #25
                      I was taking 3,600 mg Neurontin per day (900 mg X 4). Last year I weaned off Neurontin and onto 600 mg Lyrica (200 mg X 3).

                      On Lyrica I had short term memory loss and put on a lot of weight. After switching my pain gradually went from bad every other day to bad all the time. I have the pins and needles pain in my legs and feet all the time, but it would decrease in my rear every other day.

                      My doctor and I made the decision for me to go back on Neurontin earlier this year. I have worked my way back to 1,500 mg of Neurontin daily (600-300-600 mg doses). Next week I will add on another 300 to the mid-day dose. The pain in my feet and legs is still there all the time, but the pain in my rear comes and goes again.

                      From what I've seen on our PDL, if you area paying for your own meds yourself, Lyrica is cheaper in the long run. Even though it costs more per pill/capsule you take less per day. Since it costs less in the long run, it amazes me that we have a $25 copay for Lyrica and a $12 copay for Neurontin. You'd think it would be the other way around.

                      imnomis

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                        #26
                        Neurontin dose versus effectiveness

                        Looking up on the official neurontin site, http://www.neurontin.com I see this:
                        "Oral Bioavailability: Gabapentin bioavailability is not dose proportional; i.e., as dose is increased, bioavailability decreases. Bioavailability of gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%, 34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day given in 3 divided doses, respectively".
                        Is it correct that 900, 1200, 2400, 3600 and 4800 mg/day gives an effective dose of 540, 564, 816, 1188 and 1246mg/day? This may be the reason why I have maxed out on neurontin as 1200mg 3/day was not handling the NP and going to 1600mg 3/day had no effect other than make me more woozy. So, how does it sit with others on neurontin that the only really effective doses are 900, 2400 or 3600mg/day?
                        Anyhow, again going to the official lyrica site I get: As with all antiepileptic drugs (AEDs), if LYRICA is discontinued it should be withdrawn gradually over a minimum of 1 week to lessen the potential of increased seizure frequency in patients with seizure disorders.
                        So, what is the experience of others in ramping down from around 1600mg TID neurontin while ramping up to 300mg TID lyrica?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by imnomis
                          From what I've seen on our PDL, if you area paying for your own meds yourself, Lyrica is cheaper in the long run. Even though it costs more per pill/capsule you take less per day. Since it costs less in the long run, it amazes me that we have a $25 copay for Lyrica and a $12 copay for Neurontin. You'd think it would be the other way around.
                          Are you using generic Neurontin? That would explain the price difference. I've heard from a number of people who find a dramtic difference in name-brand vs generic. Thankfully some people can take the generic just fine and save some money, but it's something to keep in mind. If it makes a noticeable difference, it would be worth another $13 per month.

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                            #28
                            I was on Neurontin for about 4 and a half years, and now I've been on Lyrica for almost 3 months, and they both have done and do the same for me. Nothing!

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                              #29
                              lyrica vs neurotin

                              My husband tried neurotin(gaba) and got very little relief from chronic low back pain due to L4 L5 injury. He's been on Lyrica for 3 years now and he feels that it works better than the other dispite the side effects. He also takes Morphine tablets with an anti-nausea tablet for the really bad days. This gives him a break from the constant pain in his leg. He's already had two surgeries and now they want to do a spinal fusion but the risk is great because he's a smoker and there is less than 40% chance that it will work to relieve his pain. After 7 and a half years, his pain management doc finally said his injury is permenent and put it in writing. So now he can be declared disabled. Problem is, it's a workers comp injury. So in the transition from one agency to the other, who covers the meds and treatments? Anyone? Thanks for listening. karen

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by harpo2
                                Looking up on the official neurontin site, http://www.neurontin.com I see this:
                                "Oral Bioavailability: Gabapentin bioavailability is not dose proportional; i.e., as dose is increased, bioavailability decreases. Bioavailability of gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%, 34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day given in 3 divided doses, respectively".
                                Is it correct that 900, 1200, 2400, 3600 and 4800 mg/day gives an effective dose of 540, 564, 816, 1188 and 1246mg/day? This may be the reason why I have maxed out on neurontin as 1200mg 3/day was not handling the NP and going to 1600mg 3/day had no effect other than make me more woozy. So, how does it sit with others on neurontin that the only really effective doses are 900, 2400 or 3600mg/day?
                                Anyhow, again going to the official lyrica site I get: As with all antiepileptic drugs (AEDs), if LYRICA is discontinued it should be withdrawn gradually over a minimum of 1 week to lessen the potential of increased seizure frequency in patients with seizure disorders.
                                So, what is the experience of others in ramping down from around 1600mg TID neurontin while ramping up to 300mg TID lyrica?
                                Thanks for pointing out the bioavailability information for gabapentin. I entered the data on a spreadsheet and plotted it so that people can see how the actual dose they are getting with increasing doses of the drug. In summary, the amount that one gets is limited to <1400 mg per day even if you are taking as much as 4800 mg per day. Bioavailability means the amount of drug that is absorbed, expressed as a percentage of the drug taken.

                                Wise.

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