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    (Continuation comments "Medicine & Science": "Phantom" pain. First: Criticism)

    ( http://carecure.org/forum/showpost.php?p=292290 )

    Seneca: "Real misery of phantom pain". <- Text comments:
    The first three posts have been posted there.


    {Been 4. Just one got lost somehow within the CC-dictator messing around, by
    of a causes theory with 4 segments,
    removing three of the segments, and leaving the last.
    So that parts in fourth part there no longer could be gotten.

    And the other three no longer being complete, because fourth belonged with them.
    Not sure, but their order might have been:
    1: -> Autism & sensory.
    2.: Stroke where?
    3.: Wild theorizing.
    4.: Self-Influence?
    MBD forgetting rates ain't the best for remembering original contents of the lost segment. Tried to replace it here, somehow, anyway.

    Think, the original might have gotten lost, after the CC-dictator (still not having managed ahora to come up with a differing far better theory),
    censored the causes theorizings as off-topic.
    Me trying to fix this primitive dictatorship's censoring messing results,
    by reposting again parts 1-3, before the 4th part. Ain't belong 1 after 4.
    So 4 had to go out, to get 1 first in. And this labtop with linux is quite differing with copying from my computer. (Like left upwards clicking copy, it ain't there till past, but if whatever else gets marked, and be it accidentally, might be gone from there.) Anyway, got quite chaotic, while shifting between windows here and also over to the writing program, and in the end somehow part 4 was missing.
    I regretted that. Had quite some fun when writing it.

    Anyway, fourth been tried to replace afterwards.
    And since at it, commenting the rest.}


    Long texts aversives might stop here and skip
    towards (15)'s ending part.

    (Plus maybe in (11) : The last 9 lines.)



    Comment to the dictator-craze-dude:

    Though messing around with your discriminator s...
    {and while declaring a causes theorizing about someone's described problem "off-topic",
    while yourself not even having managed a differing far better one yet, laughter},
    and, eventually,
    segments getting jumbled back and forth, might succeed with further segments loss
    (and maybe not rewritten),
    this does not alter, the contents of the first 3 segments have been stated.

    And that NO primitive Dicatorship of CareCure
    aping up and down,
    is replacing a scientific or otherwise contra-arguing,
    which parts of the causes theory
    can't possibly be,
    with problems as such, a cause.


    Some chimp making uk-uk and drumming his chest,
    as if that were to replace the just mentioned,
    might also be wondered if ever having read any literature, how long
    autistics might repeat something found interesting.

    It might be also found entertaining, if the pseudo-"science" dictatorship of CareCure,
    defends pseudo-"science" "phantom" stuff there,
    with contra-scientific dictatorship methods.
    Censoring pseudo-science criticism.


    Dictator's ideology.



    ...

    [This message was edited by Acid on 09-21-03 at 03:26 AM.]

    #2
    The contra-scientific dictators of CareCure
    methods
    while defending pseudoscientificness with censoring,
    don't make phantom stuff one degree more scientific.

    Censoring out the joke, between 2 joints as opponent of Westie science
    and from the branch LSD, one can still through a THC cloud come up with
    something seeming more scientific than this phantoming around,
    with some causes speculations,
    will not make it more scientific, either.


    This more makes the site dictatorship one seeming to prefer unscientific
    phantoming around stuff,
    over neuro brain sector data about two thalamus systems
    near each other to do with "functions", alike described having changed with this man.

    The defense of this so unscientific phantom stuff brabble by CareCure dictatorship
    against criticism,
    does not change that peripheral vision loss
    can have to do with the lateral geniculate nucleus.
    Being near pain-correlated sectors.
    One very much to do also with limb stuff.

    The theory, the stroke might have caused thalamus damages,
    which might have caused the man's problems,
    with no censoring out from the CareCure dictatorship, as "off-topic",
    is scientifically refuted, to impossibly be causes
    for such as described problems of the man.


    However, the censoring out of causes speculations,
    "phantom" stuff brabble seeming preferred over neuro brain sector data,
    can make one regard the CC dictatorship
    scoring there in scientifness degrees below
    some acidhead levels. Which can be found quite amusing.


    Maybe watch it, you ain't fall in your dictatorship too far below
    even just some acidhead's scientificness levels.


    Laughter ....

    Comment


      #3
      BTW, the following parts might be partially quite wrong
      and are not meant to be scientific.
      The joke on scientificness before was more meant alike,
      some pseudoscientif stuff seeming made out alike scientific,
      might be improved by reading a few pages of some starter neuro book.
      Instead of jumbling together differing causes for pain under "phantom".


      Parts of the following texts meant to question attitudes towards the issue of long-time pain.


      (Particularily that, of instead of focussing on improving the status of damaged systems, or at least not stress them too much,
      to center on attacking systems this or that way, to maybe make less felt secondary reactions
      to primary causes.
      While how to achieve better natural harmonies in damaged systems,
      seemed of insignificance.)


      Phantoming around, while hazing differing causes together,
      declaring natural reactions as pain in the wake of injuries,
      wrong, attacking systems,
      ignoring aspects about energetic systems, sense-censoredness,
      orders being declared disorders,
      not considering, how to get injured systems to have better harmonies ...


      If looking for some misery causes, context MISERY OF PHANTOM pain attitudes,
      attitudes as in the commented text might lead to systems damages.
      That in no form help the primary damages to heal better.
      IMO partially to the opposite, risking to cause additional problems in injured sectors.


      Acid

      Comment


        #4
        {As mentioned, I start with the (rewritten) fourth part.

        My joke in the first three,
        that through a THC cloud one might still arrive with some more scientific stuff,
        than criticized attitudes of phantoming around,
        I regard to pertain with the original commented text.

        In a way the rest does, too,
        but I rather put it here, as it's quite long.
        And as some CC dictator already declares it off-topic,
        if one jokes with a causes theory,
        that the unscientific phantom brabble of the author might improve
        by opening a stater neuro book.

        Where it might not take some genius, or ever having read one full neuro book in one's life, nor particularly intelligence,
        as demonstrated by some MBD tired and stoned flipping through some neuro pages,
        to scribble together some causes theory.

        Without unscientific phantoming around.


        One might wonder if not unscientific attitudes as of the CC dictator,
        censoring systems considerations out as off-topic with the issue pain
        (& still not having managed some better causes theory),
        are to do with phantoming around seeming preferred over sectors considerations.

        Anyway, the dictator may be informed,
        though it's impressive how unscientific he acted again and again,
        no censoring and homo chimping about
        replaces a scientific refuting of theories.


        This also being so for other theories censored out.}

        Comment


          #5
          (4)

          A bio-prof might be assumed able to find the switch for the ceiling fan.
          Also various in a neuro-book. (Including the term "hemianopia".)


          If from the branch LSD,
          tired and between between two joints, one lands at,
          might have to do with lateral geniculate, checks in some neuroanatomy book under optic systems and lands with hemianopia,
          and checks under thalamus: What's the next non-geniculate system nearby lateral geniculate doing: functions correlated listed, scoring the highest of all the there listed thalamus systems in similarity to
          what he described as problems,

          why if from the branch bio,
          professor level,
          within years of time, would such not be noticed?


          Also it is said, that not using something long, can decrease connection levels, and using something often, can increase connection levels.

          If so, an obvious deduction might seem, instead of preoccupation with the ceiling fan, etc.,
          a preoccupation with something distracting more from leg sensory might help.
          And not just some minutes in between. But over the next years.


          The man seemed to complain that going to docs didn't lead to help.


          I commented something, that if I were a Westie doc,
          I might not even have flipped through a few neuro pages.

          Prescribing some pain dampening meds/drugs, goes faster, and causes less complications,
          meaning for me then, not systems of the man
          like kidneys, receptor molecule levels, damaged systems getting a chemo load in, etc.

          In the same time, it might take to look up some stuff for more serious,
          soandsomany other patients could have been dealt with, their money coming in, and they maybe partially less well able to look various up, than a retired bio prof.


          Maybe as a Westie doc I'd think, if I were to ask him, if he's having a good partner in life or not, and if retirement left sort of a gap in life, etc.,
          he might not appreciate at all, what's to do with the question, if there might be also a fix on it, as a mental distractor from other issues.

          And maybe think, even if I bothered to look up various,
          telling about results, maybe I'd risk,
          a bioprof, years ahead in time to research about his problems,
          might sarcastically laugh, and indicate,
          amazing, how far back I lag in cellbio, molecularbio, neurobio, etc. research data,
          and maybe rattle down loads, where it might take me years of study to just follow parts better. Or more time, than between patients I'd have,
          even if it were to interest me for serious.



          While as a Westie doc, I'd neither risk this,
          nor with voicing dubious theories, my reputation,
          if just prescribing some pain "meds", be done with it,
          next one, please.

          Comment


            #6
            (5)


            "It's frustrating," he says. "Somehow my brain is sending the wrong messages to my body." All brain systems undiscerned ...

            I might be with some stuff hesitant to be sure, that this is actually a wrong message going to the body.

            For example, if ventral posterior lateral nucleus one side did get damaged.

            It might be assumed, that then incoming stuff can get easier too much for the sector.

            One question might be, is there any protective function for the sector in this?


            It might be speculated also, if something gets too much for the sector, for example coming from the leg, and is channelled on to other brain sectors, if not reactions there then also might get altered.
            Without it necessarily all having to go back down the body to the leg.


            "Lane's experience is not unusual. Thousands of stroke victims every year suffer this mysterious pain. The problem is not limited to them - the malady afflicts hundreds of thousands of Americans, including those with spinal cord injuries, cancer, diabetes, multiple sclerosis and amputated limbs."

            Gee, that are partially extremely differing.
            (Apart from that "malady" to me first reminded of the word meaning illness alike of some bacteria, but that might be that English is not my first language, and maybe some other language mingling in.)
            Mysterious to me seems more, how the author mixes so very differing stuff together, and next finds it mysterious, if there were systems damages, than then there is pain.
            And not discerning between differing pain sorts.

            The pain a sector has if getting damaged, for me is not exactly just the same, than the pain if a damaged sector by stuff from other systems getting in seems to have damaged systems sort of react overload to this, it getting too much for them.
            This author just jumbles together differing stuff.

            With cancer, if it makes itself fat, partially pain might be also coming from sort of squeezed in neighbouring systems.
            If the cancer sector is cut out, this is again a differing sort of pain.
            And there's quite differing cancer sorts.

            With diabetes there seem also differing sorts of pains.

            I cannot judge this well there, because for me seems so far not so pain connected, but whatever I got, at times seems to cause less supply to systems, nails and lips getting a bluish tinge, lack of supply in the head also seeming to cause some brain damages.
            And there seem differences between while it's running and wake effects.

            I heard there's differing diabetes sorts, so it might be assumed also in effects differences.

            Anyway, simplified
            cancer might be regarded something to do with genetics read-off.
            Diabetes with a substance not being there as needed.
            SCI with nerves through.
            MS seemed connected with some auto-immune whatever. (If I recall right destroying ensheathing around nerves, and with that then also nerves.)
            Amputation of a limb might still leave magic systems aiming there,
            and getting stuff there's not as supposed to be.


            To take the last one, there whole sectors are gone.
            Differing to cancer, for example making it's cells to so big a cluster to squish into other sectors, which partially might hurt. Or other pain causes.
            Differing to diabetes, where there's not something there, that's needed, and lacks of this might cause damages in a bunch of sectors. But not as with amputation, for a specific region all sectors gone.
            With SCI how much of the sector is gone, can depend on the SCI.
            So I assume differing sorts again within just SCI.
            If a system is still having hardware, but parts gone, and systems still there registering about damages and sending.
            Or the entire sector gone, adjoining nerves being massively disturbed.
            And with magic fields perception and pain transmissions energetically, seemed quite complex individual differences to me (though mostly I wasn't out for trying to channel me this in, as it sucks).

            The mystery to me might be more, how to stick highly differing causes and effects jumbled like this together.

            No wonder, if the outcome might remain rather vague.


            "The syndrome is commonly known as "central pain" because it originates in the central nervous system - the spinal cord and brain - rather than in the limbs and trunk."

            Apart from that I don't regard so differing just one "syndrome", and this jumbling together here and correlated attitudes more some Westie "syndrome",
            with cancer and diabetes both
            damages might be not just in brain systems (and I thought parts of the spinal cord are counted as brain).
            And with amputations of limbs,
            I haven't studied from where magic systems interlinks to there are generated,
            to be particularily quick in judging whatever is correlated to this in source systems.

            (For example, it seems to me, various goes from the lower arm to my hand.
            And though my self cam aim for hand akasha, too, all in all I regard my lower arm simplified more a hand correlate region than my self.
            If I were to get via soandso many systems relayed in, that something's wrong down there, just that my relay neighbours are in the brain, ain't mean, it ain't come at all via closer correlate sectors to the region.

            And if out for checking, if some sector(s cluster) of the brain were more to do with interlinks into a region where there's hardware missing,
            guess might do the job for starts, to try to command for this or that, to aim and phase for down there, and do a resulting patterings comparison.

            Just that this might highten sensory for there,
            and I have my doubts if that'd be a bright idea.)


            "It has confused and vexed doctors and patients for decades."

            This might have to do with Westie docs (too) often being sense censored.

            Therefore not having understanding options of healers who went the "opposite direction", instead of aspiring own sense censoring, having trained out massively magic sensory capacities.

            If it were found important enough, pain sensory such ways might have been trained out by the doc, and this used to directly understand more.

            And in various cases also to counter-steer, and maybe to teach about some counter-steerings.


            "We don't understand it very well, and we don't treat it very well,"

            Agreed.

            Comment


              #7
              (6)


              "But in the past five years, researchers have begun to unravel exactly how the central nervous system perceives - and creates - pain."

              I'm too lazy to try to look up now, what's all counted in with the central nervous system.

              In my head are several systems, and if I'm more off or more interlinked with some seems to make a central difference in pain perception.

              Simplified, if I leave stuff to what I call the sequencer,
              I might not get minor pains.
              Medium seems sometimes yes, sometimes no.
              High pains seem to be usually transferred, that I'm informed about this.

              While if interlinked with according systems, I might also get minor pains.

              In autism research some of the non-autist Westie science guys
              seem to find it ever so much a puzzle, how comes, at times so-called autists ain't seem to feel any pain, where an average non-autist would,
              and at other times react highly if just touched.

              For me is to do with this.


              (Can't explain it well, tough, now. Is for me more an is so,
              than a how so.)


              It seems to me, that if the sequencer is in central navigational command,
              the lingering of how long pains are felt, is way shorter, and just of importance as long as still very high,
              than if I'm in central command, where then pain perception might linger on, till down, and still many minutes the sort of ebbing out, or so.

              Alike the difference between high levels
              of systems actual importance perceived,

              and smaller being perceived.


              Maybe this is also something to do with the difference with what us systems are to do with.

              In a way I seem also an auxiliary to some extent for other systems, a magic central system, parts of the immune systems, and it falling under my tasks, if something is damaged, to think about if something can be done about this.
              So mine can need the ability for this, to perceive also about longer term pains.


              While for the sequencer might be more important while supervising main movement sequences, if there are still actual damages of significance in this.


              Maybe this is to do with why us systems seem to perceive pain differingly?


              (For my self an obvious problem solving attitude,
              apart from checking out if there's some reprogrammer options,
              might be in seeking high segregated stages to be between me and the sequencer.
              Or simplified between me and a bunch of other systems.

              As then I tend to not perceive my body at all, and seem disconnected with parts in the brain.

              But I guess for others this might be more difficult.
              Differing systems correlations.

              I often grumped at the sequencer, to leave me alone with stuff I regard it's jurisdiction.
              Once also grumped at it, if us systems move meters through a room, without me previously having ordered so, I wish to be in the future informed about this.
              Seem partially quite differing to common systems (non-)correlations.
              And attitudes.


              Though I don't exclude more autistic (non-)correlations between systems
              could help to more just temporarily in between be connected enough,
              to sense about pains, and then be off-link again,
              I'm not sure, how to alter systems correlations towards this in someone.

              Hm, one once said akasha surfing with me made his brain more autistic.
              Just, that it got to strange stages causing that, was also something to do with his attitudes. Not common.
              But before I start to think more seriously about how to reprogam sector correlations towards something I'm not even sure would work out,
              and might also have quite some disadvantages,
              I rather smurf on with the text. ;-))



              "Scientists are using this knowledge to develop new treatments, which could eventually ease Lane's sandpaper sensation."

              Scientists I might not trust far enough, to not cripple into systems, about which they don't understand a lot,
              to reach some effects not solving the source problem, and maybe adding more.


              A scientist might not think twice, if not damages to a thalamus system might have caused, leg sensory stuff getting in, to be too much for the damaged system, and if this might have anything to do with the whole.
              Just starting to mess around with chemistry or cuttings,
              that neither improve this thalamus sector's health,
              nor are becoming for systems balances of other systems.


              Maybe crippling around till sensory relays ain't take place anymore as is natural there, including maybe about new damages info not getting relayed as should, and calling this "treatment".

              A scientist might bomb chemistry into the kidneys and liver,
              without very serious thoughts what this might do,
              causing transmitters to go to wrong levels,
              receptor molecule levels countering the error by number changes,
              and this way causing additional problems,
              that never existed there before.


              Also without one thought, if already damaged brain systems,
              by the chemical onslaught, might get additional problems.

              Comment


                #8
                (7)


                "baffling sensations. Some (...) report a tingling coldness."

                The tingling coldness does not baffle me.

                I sometimes got coldness feeling magically relayed into parts of a limb.
                Even if I touched the other there, felt colder than on his other limb equivalent in region.
                Assumed, because connections are not going as common, there's regulations not going as common, and that this is to do with it.


                (When I programmed for R's hand magically a bunch of sensory links, often he complained about cold sensation, alike this were just from me. I thought, gee, where the central injury is, is for me alike a cold chasm down, and feeling real weird down there.
                So cold and weird, I in between even wondered if there's something dead down there, or what. If I recall right, partially equivalent to the regions where he couldn't sense before, temperature in my hand fell.
                Later, when I had interlinked some more again, complaints seemed to go down in number about this cold feeling stuff.
                But I recall in between I had been sitting there rubbing my hand a while.
                Having gone so cold in equivalent regions.

                Back then I thought, if also some vein seeming missing, or at least on the other hand there is one, might have to do with it, not just sensory disconnection.
                Later I thought, if general activity differences might have to do with it also.
                Still not sure. But since the stuff seems transferable to some extent, and not alike I have no connections there, and mine usually were O.K. again some minutes after off-linking again, it seems something beyond nerves through, and for me also beyond just brain systems.)

                But I don't know what to do about such.
                With one it's lower leg, and I didn't even come up with anything for sensory.
                (If I got that right, some dozens metal parts from a gun went into his spine.
                And are still in his systems. That's sort of beyond me.)
                With the other, I figured out how to interlink him a bunch of sensory into back hand regions and some wrist regions again, but that with the coldness, I can feel there even just with normal touch, I don't know how to make this go away.


                BTW, drifting off-topic: With the central injury region there, there remained a coin-sized region off with sensory. I sensed I could make it smaller, but it seemed not found worth the bother by him. Eventually I landed at the question, if there might not be a cause, that this is there.
                That maybe there's something in the center, where for me it sensed like this cold chasm down and weird feeling where the central injury is,
                that it would not be very convenient for systems, to get sensory interlinked with whatever this is there.
                To me this certainly felt highly unpleasant.


                (For me, it felt the center of this coldness.
                With this cold feeling, the worst of them all by far.
                Compared to the rest, the rest alike, hm, not very pleasant,
                and there alike, brrr, uargs.)


                "One patient found that brushing his teeth sent awful pain to his arms."

                From teeth to arms, or to do with certain movements while brushing the teeth,
                or how sensed the correlation?

                Anything in Eastern or Western interlink data about links?


                "I get the feeling there are chunks of broken glass in parts of my body," says 38-year-old Lisa Bard, whose spinal cord was damaged in an accident this year.

                Always the same parts? Any particular system(s) to where?


                There's some places, if it were there, magic interlinks not needing the spine could be tried to be arranged first temporarily, and later also so, the self and some other systems get some more about how to generate such.

                I mean, if the region where it feels like such a glass chunk, is actually sensing O.K., nothing wrong there per se,
                "just" some problem with spine relays between there and the head.
                Then getting some of the centrals like the self and brain base (and with some stuff maybe also thalamus or cerebellum) to phase there more directly,
                might help to counter it a bit.


                More difficult might be to try, to tune from the region to the spine, till where it starts to feel damaged, and up from there, and trying to figure out where in the route is the source for this.
                Not sure, if it could be found, and if brain base and the self
                could be tried to be used as counter-regulators more direct there.


                "Bard (...) has tried numerous drugs and therapies. None has done much to alleviate the pain, which flares up without warning."

                Apart from that messing around with drugs in freshly damaged systems can sound quite mad,
                as future life might depend on how well they recover,
                the "without warning" seems a bit mad to me, too.

                Pain can also be regarded alike a warning. That something is currently not O.K. for systems.
                So the sentence can also read alike the warning flares up without warning.
                I mean, this wasn't well expressed.

                Just pain can be regarded as information there's something wrong with systems.
                So instead of waiting for it to come up, one might also observe, where does it come up. When I had a concussion for example, then for over a year if damaged got too many signals for their damaged capacities in, and it got too much for them.


                (With another sort of damages, to do with a rib, I also noticed weather dependency.
                In cold, humid weather flaring up. As not seeming correlated with hot, dry weather.)

                Why does the I central there not observe systems.
                Instead of bombing them chemically in the attempt to flee from systems informations.


                Better observations might have helped understandings, what increases and what decreases pains.

                (With mine seemed simple: Little to nothing going on, rest stage, not so much a problem, while higher activities seemed about suited to send damaged systems rapidly overload and pains flaring up.
                The choice also being simple, either shutting down activities again, so the damaged can recover, or going on, in which case the pains might even increase.)


                "Drugs that work well for "normal" pain, such as morphine, typically do little for the disorder."
                Apart from that orders so orderly, to parallel pop up in quite a number on differing continents parallel,
                being called "disorders", seems about as nuts, as if someone expected, damaged systems just react like all is fine,
                instead of informing about damages,

                ain't morphine that addictive making stuff, that's here declared as "working well"?

                How so, by messing into the transmitter household, till what's "normal" ain't go anymore in systems, just so the self is saved pains, maybe at the price of an addiction being gotten, once the transmitter household was messed into far enough?
                Though I don't wish to judge this now with something like straight past an OP, on the longer run how "well" this works, seems dubious.

                Morphine I can't judge well, but with H systems adaptions to counter against the level errors it causes, seem to take place (and this seems also to do with addiction), and with these adaptiations, the stuff ain't have as powerful effects as in the start.


                And with some pain drugs on the long run, what these might be good for, is a hightened risk for kidney stones and operations.


                Why are regulatory systems not more connected in?

                Why not some comparison test,

                if trying to shift the damaged alike central
                (and a bunch else more regulated down),

                if trying to shift brain stem to focus into them
                and towards trying to fix something, as central,

                and if the self tries to find out, how to fix a bit there,
                or at least get harmonies calmer and more even, as central,

                which seems the best?

                Comment


                  #9
                  (8)


                  "Unwilling or unable to face the excruciating suffering, a significant number of central pain patients commit suicide."

                  Instead of PERSON, "patient", in bizarre Westie med thinking.
                  (Quite differing to an old Lakota healer called "grandfather",
                  persons coming for aid, being implied to be regarded more alike grandchildren,
                  and family.

                  BTW, among Red Indians it seems not so customary, as in the Westie med system,
                  that persons decide to end life, after having been to the healer.)

                  "Commit", alike it were a crime, if a person, belonging from head to toes himself/herself, decided to end life.

                  Doubly this alike possessional claim in, with "patient" instead of "person",
                  and with "commit", as if the person did not just belong this person, free to do with himself or herself, as wishing, being no one else's possession or slave.

                  Yet the possessional not going far enough to wish to "possess" this pain also.
                  {With Magie, various are able to do some pain sensory interlinks.)

                  And therefore also not possessing correlating data.

                  Therefore also not having data about counter-regulations options from previous cases in the past.
                  Therefore also having less options.
                  Which ain't solved, by declaring persons "patients" "committing".

                  Whatever their decision for rather death, no interest in bothering with further doctors, might "commit" as an ultimate declaration
                  to the Westie healing system concerning pain.


                  And wallowing in sense censoring, ignoring thousands of years
                  of healing research data results,

                  and not finally a transfer system between differing branches into healing
                  and healers on Earth
                  being established,

                  with also better overviews who's into what,
                  potential negative effects of methods,
                  involved costs, etc.

                  seems in no form suited to improve various, not just with pain.



                  Somehow reminds me of the story of someone, rather instead of having via Western med system a region cut out of his brain, causing a hole in his brain,
                  preferring to go first to the Lakota tribes' healer Frank Fool's Crow, who fixed it magically. Hm, maybe they'd call it "ton".
                  Though one might not expect the Westie system to give Frank Fool's Crow a Nobel Price,
                  it can still amaze there wasn't more interest from the Westie med systems towards having in his lifetime various of the more suited students also educated there.


                  (As if Westie docs, instead of learning more about it, or at least figure for which might go and transfer, prefer to cut holes into persons. How bizarre.)

                  Comment


                    #10
                    (9)


                    "Until the 1950s, many physicians doubted that the mysterious malady
                    even existed"

                    I still doubt some single "mysterious" "malady" is THE explanation for so differing causes with quite differing effects.
                    I think instead of hazer brabble, stuff like "phantom" and "mysterious" sounding like out of some children spook cartoon,
                    a more individualistic approach is better,
                    to try to figure out
                    more about individual causes and methods to either improve//heal the source damages, or at least to get harmonies some better,
                    and if there might exist direct counter-regulation methods.

                    (In some C cases with the side of the neck O.K. enough, for example, if equivalent systems interphasing into there, and from there steering for the SCI, can be used to downregulate disharmonies there, towards pain improvements.
                    A method one might save oneself even trying, if the side of the neck was severely damaged, too.
                    I mentioned some other approaches before.)


                    "Traditionally, physicians have been taught that if there's no sensory input, the pain isn't real" So what. Magic systems inputs can go well enough, I had it, one pointed at her head, asking if in mine I have a headache in that region, and yes, I had a while.

                    Obviously sufficient, for one as her, to get it exactly to the sector.
                    Another told me about systems correlations in me, that I'd never told him about, but he was correct about this, something to do with relations between my self and thalamus.
                    Another yet, told me about something with my heart, I checked, yeah, seems he got it before me.
                    I am quite used to, that persons crafted in Magie can get about my systems stuff, to the region, and some of what's going on there.

                    Instead of the obvious, if there's no sensory input, the pain isn't real,
                    more interesting might be, what systems got damaged,
                    and if either with these systems there are healing options,
                    or with disharmonies causing higher pains, regulatory options.

                    (Or partially if sectors correlations can be programmed differingly,
                    towards something helping with such. Though that approach might also have disadvantages.)


                    "a central pain expert at Harvard Medical School."

                    Oh, Harvard.

                    Ain't that, where an approach to mental problems is:
                    First one attacks systems chemically.
                    If then they ain't feel better,
                    one e-fries them.
                    If then systems ain't feel better,
                    one starts to cut connections between sectors.
                    Till after lobotomy crimes the person flees, because the next step is to cripple with cuttings more brain systems.

                    From Harvard then praising, how grand this is as a method.

                    While the average old methods
                    mental healer might get someone within about 10 days to feel O.K. enough again.


                    Sarcastic laughter ...


                    "Researchers now know that central pain stems from misinterpreted signals in the central nervous system." No damaged systems there, or what makes them so sure, that so many individual systems, based on more than hundreds of millions of genetic development, all must be erratic, while they just got it right?

                    Seems to me more likely, there's damaged systems, and pain info's to do with this.
                    And I find more interesting questions what to do about it.
                    Alike with a gone hand, if magic systems are still aiming there, one can't just make the hand as before be there again.

                    Would it be wiser to try to get it somehow towards more harmonies
                    while still sensory fields extending to there,
                    or would it be wiser to try to counter-program somehow attempting if there's any chance to shut down sensory fields from extending into there?


                    Inane brabble along the lines, the central nervous system (all systems undiscerned), is just misinterpreting signals, if registering with pain, it sucks this hand is gone, and there's something wrong,
                    sounds alike someone expecting systems pretend all is fine, when it is not.

                    And just because he and some others would prefer, they pretend all is fine, when it is not, declaring anything not conforming with preferences, to be signal errors.


                    " "It's an illusion - a neural illusion," says neuroscientist Bob Yezierski."

                    Or one of the bunches of neurology illusions.

                    Opening the average neuro book, neuro belief, by me also called neuro religion, can astound in how many thousands of years they lag behind understandings in thousands of years older branches than them, how with some hardware fix whatever English call feinstoffliche systems are massively ignored, how, like headblind, loads of functions are tried to be declared like fact, that the frontal cortex has them, which in my brain I never noticed systems there to have, and where after decades of lobotomy crimes it should also be quite obvious, these are certainly not there, etc.

                    Total illusions standardly in neuroscience being mingled with facts.

                    Traditionally passed down the generations, alike that frontal cortex crap.


                    (As I'm quite used to neuro texts about systems in a human head,
                    where I got enough data, to compare,
                    reading like fact, fact, error, error, fact, error, fact, ...
                    but all expressed alike facts,
                    it can disquiet,
                    if not having such data about a system and just reading there,
                    if assuming the error rate is the usual in neuro.)

                    (And I just snipped a list of usual errors, alike if a bunch of sectors get active with a task, to declare functions to be in one, that not in this one but elsewhere are.

                    Laughter ...

                    They search to understand within their heads
                    outside their heads.
                    Trying to conform results to befit their belief.
                    And this is a source to errors.)



                    "You have a sensation that something is going on, but in fact nothing is going on. The only thing happening is an abnormal activation in the central nervous system."

                    So in fact activation is going on, therefore in fact nothing is going on.
                    How logical.

                    How neuro"logical". Neuro at its best.

                    Not even knowing what is normal for the individual under such circumstances,
                    but knowing something similar is normal for other individuals with similar circumstances.
                    Yet declaring it abnormal.
                    Alike declaring it abnormal one with a broken leg ain't run the same
                    as one with healthy systems.


                    (SCI ...) "central pain is particularly vexing: 60 percent to 90 percent of the 400,000 spinal cord injury patients in this country have the disorder."

                    Order, not disorder. Disorder might be, if not having any pain after such a central injury.
                    Apart from if more than half get something, this is certainly not a case of some genetic warp or single oddity, but simplified distinctly recognizable as an order masses have.

                    Disorderly are declarations of erratic shite like facts,
                    of whomever wrote this crap.

                    And not recognizing patterings of orders masses have,
                    seems not suited to understand these orders better,
                    and in a more orderly way react.
                    Declaring orders disorders, seems suited to cause disorders in approaches.


                    This might even lead to dangerous stupid stuff,
                    like with Westie scientists messing into persons with MBD is often found,
                    that after primary damages secondary effects belonging then so,
                    are declared, because not being so as with persons not having the primary damages,
                    to be disorders, irregardless how orderly these secondary effects pop up and belong so,
                    and chemical attacks being started into children's confiscated organs and brains,
                    causing not just in the primary damaged systems but down to organs and cellular levels disorders.
                    Partially even irreversible damages.


                    Declaring non-comprehended special orders following with systems adaptations to damaged systems, disorders, just because these orders ain't befit their ideology,
                    and then via chemical attacks into organs and on cells causing disorders, and partially irreversible disorders.
                    And partially not giving a shite, while at chemically bombing organs and brain systems where many functions are not understood yet,
                    what this does to the previously primary damaged systems.
                    Total madheads.

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                      "For many, this pain is more debilitating than the original injury - one study found that almost four in 10 patients would gladly trade pain relief for the chance to regain pre-injury movement."

                      Pain might go up while programming for this, but what if one were to for around the damaged regions?

                      That interlink capacities with these are hightened?
                      To test options to use parts for regulators?!


                      Or from the brain stem phasing into the SCI (in between also through to the other side), and trying to get either this or that SCI sector alike central command or the brain stem (or eventually together) to regulate towards some better systems stages?


                      Also for what's between
                      regions O.K. and a hole.


                      ((And I'm aware on this site magic systems bridge settings are not seeming fashionable, however the thought occurs, if a bunch of systems were gotten used to,
                      nah, they are not supposed to get on the cookie of the SCI by just trying through,
                      and maybe cause overloads there,
                      but are to try for aiming longer distance for phasings together,
                      and then systematically program for this for a bunch of sectors,
                      though this might take between many months and some years,
                      if there'd not also be advantages to that.
                      I mean, might also have disadvantages, that even if trying to hold the SCI more out, still systems will try transphase straight through them.

                      However if systems below and above are at least a bit better able to react together again, even if stuff in the middle might leave seriously to be wished for a long time to come, it might have advantages.

                      Alike the one with the "glass shards".

                      In case it comes from the SCI, that if systems below & above phase,
                      them in the middle can fire some weird stuff, if still enough is left for this, but others able to check and coreact better.
                      And I still think it might be a mistake, that so many over years or even decades seem to leave systems to coreact so little with each other.
                      Not that I have it and can judge it well.
                      Just I don't understand why they do this.


                      I mean, it's not standard to longer distance internally phase with direct aimings not natural, but so what. Systems ain't in the most natural stage anymore in the first place.
                      Personally I doubt I'd be particularily inhibited, to reprogram several neocortex systems, to trans-air phase into some outer body akasha again,
                      and I might not give a shit if back occipital is an optical system, to me seems it can also, irregardless how unnatural it seems for it,
                      and to me seems also if doing it for back occipital, than one higher, and straight next trying to set sensory cortex to it,
                      though this one seems more an SCI passer, if managing to set it to long distance phasings, I think can partially go also.
                      Brain stem, anyway, for spine below C damages.


                      And though this is entirely off-topic with here, with D's systems I started to wonder in some lower arm muscle stuff contemplations,
                      if one tries to get it from there the old route to the spine, but somehow stop before, and some not exactly entirely natural activation for this,
                      and then set thalamus of the opposite brain half,
                      to aim for this "line" of activations, and interlink with it,
                      what options might be going off from this?

                      Basically this one by-passes the SCI.
                      But if this could ever be used for motor control, I have high doubts.


                      {However if not trying, might not be found out, either.
                      And I think at the time the considerations were more something to do with twitches, and from there getting more generally to interlinks to this region.
                      And from that somewhen landing with thinking, cannot thalamus sort of fish itself, via not exactly the most natural routes, interlinks connections?

                      Figuring, it might eventually get better how to do this, than I.
                      I'm not thalamus.

                      But mine ain't like settings for SCI systems particularily.
                      Took me many months to get it to comply more regularily, instead of just exceptionally, a bit with such.
                      However if my systems had SCI, I'm fairly sure what I call the sequencer in my systems, might get quite expert to develop long distance sensitivities and field extension capacities to get itself a bunch, where now it might more just protest, but then I assume systems there would also have some more inclinations towards this maybe, as if they don't, they'd plain not get the connection if just trying common ways via spine systems SCI or just outright hole.} ))


                      From what I understood also massage and meditation seemed to be regarded partially helpful.


                      (Criminal into systems of persons of related kinds) "after an injury, the spinal cord's main inhibitory circuitry breaks down, allowing pain-transmitting neurons to fire much more often than normal. "The brain interprets these abnormal discharges as pain," he says."

                      What if they are pain? I mean, the central channel's damaged.
                      For systems orientation, how to maybe still fix some, might be important to get very well, what's O.K. and what's not O.K. .

                      Quite obviously highly damaged sectors cannot handle the same amounts of signals.
                      Therefore high sensitivity towards what sends them overload,
                      and be it in the form of high pain, might help other systems doing, what's not good at the time for the damaged regions.

                      It might enable systems better to learn, how to adapt to that there's damaged in between and to shut down activities overloading remaining and partially highly damaged systems.
                      And to become more sensitive to the welfare degree of these.


                      As the future of systems, particularily in nature, might depend on how well and how far they recover,
                      even if it sucks to be bombarded with pain degrees infos there,
                      it might not have to be regarded a total natural error.

                      Might also help to stick systems fixations right towards what to do,
                      to improve this as far as possible.

                      Which might be more important, than a whole load else.


                      A human might find it in the way, with brabbling with others, with persuing this or that outer entertainment, and with being busy with a whole load else, other than being at centrally trying to process to fix internally as much as possible.

                      But if being busy centrally with trying to fix as much as possible,
                      it might enable quite some guidance.


                      ((I recall with CR pic games, I was used to with a 2000er, to get spinal pains way faster, than with a 2003er.
                      With a 2003er I had to be at firing around quite a load, before managing to get me a round of spinal pains in.
                      A while I shifted between a 2000er and a 2003er back and forth various times, there also getting this difference in quite a bit.
                      And at one occasion, I even intentionally then kept pain in as sort of a guidance for something.
                      Basically there's a spinal region in me, where breathing perception for me goes up if focussing there. And I was in the game at aiming from there weaker side to below SCI & brain base in. Trying to figure out, to where I can inregulate this, without the pain in left SCI equivalents going higher.
                      So I wanted tuning settings, so the pain remains on very low levels, just alike an indicator telling me till where this just remains so, and where it starts to increase.
                      To comprehend better, till where seems still half-way O.K. with such SCI, and where not and more suited to cause overloads.

                      Pain might be regarded as a useful guidance in this, to get, that not all that per se seems to go, seems actually something that would be becoming for SCI there.))


                      Anyway, since I had it to systematically maintain pain with such as guidance,
                      if pain is systematically maintained with SCI naturally, maybe it's also guidance.
                      And since between the 2000er and the 2003er I noticed distinct differences,
                      it seemed there were direct correlations beween how much SCI could take and pain.

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                        Off-Topic: BTW, what in my systems I also noticed in weirdo pic games, were reaction differences to SCI more generally.

                        With the first times, the standard for me seemed to be, to go after a bunch of seconds alike half k.o. to the ground, and needing various minutes to recover.

                        Eventually I could do it some minutes, before flopping onto my back and recovering a while.

                        Within a month or two, I had it, that I could do it, and it often didn't get to that.

                        However systems changes not good for my systems, registering to have taken place, particularily with r-l evenness disturbances, that bugged me.

                        With D pic games, SCI sector equivalents one side still hurt many minutes after the first times, when I stopped.
                        I wasn't used to that from CR pic games.
                        As I wasn't out for such, I then got this hang with tuning to the side into the neck, and from there towards the SCI equivalents, regulating a while around, (!) and this down.
                        Which for whatever reasons seemed to be more efficient, than just a total logout,
                        and afterwards rubbing my neck or so.

                        Eventually, also trying with differing SCI pics, I got towards early sort of scanning for SCI sectors location (I ain't got good memory, played with various pics, though mainly more just interested in a few), alike, ah, about there it starts to fade out,
                        scanning around a bit more to get, from about where to where this goes,
                        regulate around with mine, that they do not phase like for a non-SCI region,
                        and seemed to solve the problem.

                        Or at least I don't recall to have gotten in pains with such in a long time.
                        This might not help people with SCI, (<-?)
                        but for me the trick seems to be in the phasings settings towards SCI.


                        Simplified, either not phasing with there,
                        or carefully adapted phasing with there.


                        (Or with CR's pic with the Feb. 2003er it was simplified alike downregulatory control of
                        the trans-SCI equivalent energetic stream power.
                        That this is remaining within low enough parameters.
                        Going too high, just tended to catapult my systems off-log.
                        Being still within what seemed per se possible there, but seemed too high and overload for SCI parameters, resulted with pain.)

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                          Off-Topic continued:

                          BTW: With CR's in pic games, one trick seemed, taking the most damaged of a side,
                          that still registers to have hardware, and regulating energetic settings ways down and trying to get it towards quite adaptive,
                          and towards this sector alike central.

                          Basically aiming alike generating a block around the SCI,
                          regulating stuff in the head and body ways down,
                          shutting down more irrelevant trans-SCI traffic.
                          And going towards stages alike towards sleep or trance.
                          Very low energetic stages.

                          Although this sector by very seems not far enough for direct logs,
                          it seemed to me a few seconds one could do it with it.
                          With right C1, even without going for such a far-going down-regulatory fuzz,
                          a bunch of seconds, if sticking settings to this alike central.

                          I suspected repeatedly, right C1 there has latent capacities, that eventually one could train such towards minutes, not that I say this is CR's thingie.
                          If it were CR's liking, I assume he'd have figured long ago if interlinking special ways what I call io channels with non-SCI, this could be used partially to uprogram their capacities.
                          Seem quite some capacities depending on these.

                          With other's whose pics I used, I however didn't notice registration of enough hardware existing for alike options.

                          Big "hole" regions however might have advantages, to not have to heed overload the same, and compared to smaller ones more space to center tunings into there and doing various.

                          Alike if wishing to have some energetic line going between something pertaining below and above together, and amplifying that one.

                          Or once I was at thinking, if centering in the hole,
                          if using the lower part of such a line aimed into a non-SCI area,
                          and generating from the center slight pull energy towards there,
                          if there might be an option, to sort of slurp hardware from this sector this direction, to extend//grow a bit along this pull trajectory
                          for some better signal traffic convenience.

                          Hm, I'm sure a neuro wouldn't call it slurping hardware into a hole.

                          And I'm not even sure if such a slight pull energy trajectory
                          could be used as a trigger for hardware to start grow along this guidance line.


                          Might take something more broad and parallel going,
                          than just a thin line, anyway.

                          Is not really my problem, either.

                          I stuck the only sequence that was a serious and in mine working hardware transgrowth sequence I started in such a game with the magic sequences collection.

                          And also a few, where, though I wasn't stupid enough again to command growth in my systems where it doesn't belong, I didn't entirely exclude
                          these might go also.


                          Actually I found it strange, there's so many with SCI on the site, and not one I noticed being fanatically into figuring out into and through SCI transgrowth command sequences,
                          going in correct enough orders, and heeding systems enough.


                          Alike many ain't care.
                          This might remain beyond my understanding forever.

                          How can one be this segregated, and care this little about finding transgrowth sequences?

                          As an outsider, one might have expected this to be one of the most fanatically persued "hobbies" among people with SCI.

                          (Particularily with C-SCI. Where it might suck among the most to have it.
                          And head sectors being closest, compared to lower SCI, in fields extension range
                          into SCI and to the first non-SCI below.
                          Lesser distances, than if it were further down.)


                          I mean, stuff like, kill soandso cell sort, without even saying what systems all got this cell sort, nor what later it might be needed for,
                          neither changes that field perception might for ways more than a meter transmit pain signals, nor does killing parts of one's systems solve there being SCI sectors.


                          Targetly messing into sodium channels of cells to me seems outright extremely mad.

                          (Ever counted, how many cells in how many systems use sodium channels?!
                          Into how many the suggested extreme messing into systems there'd go?
                          If whoever came up with this suggestion to mess on such wide cellular levels into systems, had a practicing licence, and I could withdraw it, I might.)


                          I read other methods before, that amounted to cutting and crippling.
                          Without seeming to heed far, in several cultures SCI OPs are already done.
                          Nor, how far outside SCI targetted crippling of systems might later get into the way.


                          Methods to cripple or/and kill parts of systems, might be mentioned like grand,
                          but partially leaving out far, or totally, negative aspects about them.
                          And considerations, that parallel there's differing SCI OP methods of sticking something into them already these days. Who knows how many over the next decades.



                          "that once severed, spinal cord neurons try to reconnect themselves. They succeed, but often link with the wrong neurons."

                          I commented before, that it might have advantages,
                          if some good professional were to program along.

                          And with stuff stuck into SCI, that, even before it's stuck in,
                          if a bunch of energetic pathways are interphasing together of pertaining systems,
                          might have guidance advantages for
                          from where to where
                          stuff's supposed to grow and interlink.


                          I'm not saying, it'd make it perfect.
                          Just that it might improve accuracy of interlinks growing together.


                          "This mis-wiring might help explain why those with the disorder can feel piercing pain in response to seemingly harmless stimuli such as clothing on skin."

                          Just that in this text one was mentioned who had a stroke, and this did not seem to imply in the spine.
                          And with autism high discomfort from clothing on skin is often heard about.
                          Again it usually not seeming the spine injured there.

                          Clothes are not old natural order.

                          Before getting at what's a disorder for serious,
                          with aversions against something not old natural order,
                          this might be considered.
                          Apart from that most kinds do not wear clothes,
                          before Christians preached uptight stuff, there were quite many regions where also humans did not wear particularily many clothes at all on their bodies.
                          This with clothes is, historically regarded back over the last several hundred millions of years, a fairly new thingie.

                          From this perspective, not an extremely long systems adaptations time for clothes.

                          As persons, with no particular spinal damages mentioned about them, also have sensory problems with clothes, it might be worth to also consider this.


                          Some thought off-drifts:

                          One referred in this text, in context with pain, to temperature sensory differences. Been thinking, pain and temperature sense,
                          were listed with spine as contralateral (other side),
                          and tactile and limb position as ipsilateral (same side).

                          Another was:

                          I ain't got this with the clothes. (Hm, sometimes can bug me a bit, but not like a serious problem.) But I got it, that with other sensory stuff it can seem like ways too much for me.
                          Patterings seem like this:

                          Because systems are damaged, not so much goes parallel.
                          With this, what comes in, can get rapidly too much.


                          One of two major systems reactions might ensue:

                          1. A total or near total dock-off with the entire "class(es)" of such.
                          (All hearing, all visual, all body, etc., sensory. Or just bits left.)

                          2. A fixing on what's particularily bugging, which often can be artificial
                          sourced inputs. This then taking up central processings.
                          Aversion reactions might get high to the extreme against this bugging stuff.


                          Thought, if it's not some wiring having gone wrong, but that systems got damaged,
                          maybe loads of sensory signals from clothes against so many skin regions parallel, might be just too much parallel for damaged systems.
                          And something alike such aversive reactions ensuing?


                          "Without input, the thalamus becomes hypersensitive,
                          firing more frequently in response to smaller stimuli."

                          Why "hyper" sensitive? This seems normal to me.

                          (I commented before on SCI correlated experiments here, trying to get thalamus of the opposite side to link over to some muscle signals correlated stuff.)

                          If thalamus systems weren't adapting towards getting stuff via translinking differing to it and correlating differing with it,
                          if the spine main connection channellings are damaged, so through there ain't go,
                          then how are they supposed to else get it?

                          I mean, are they supposed to just remain segregated, or what.

                          I assume, if it were my thalamus, and it showing no signs, to being magically interlinking some longer distances with systems,
                          then, after being finished to arrange energetic connections between brain base with several spine regions, among next on the list might be thalamus.

                          And in between some cerebellar attempts.
                          With several neocortex systems, quite irregardless how they are taking to it, them, anyway.
                          Particularily sensory cortex seeming of importance to me in such.


                          I don't perceive enough advantages in instead just leaving them without such connections.

                          And yeah, they might have to become some more sensitive, for some longer distance relays interlinks.


                          Just if SCI in a spine seem in no particular hurry with alterations
                          towards, that hardware relays through there go again,
                          about the next obvious solution for the time being to me seems,
                          to work on altering, internal long distance interphasings going better.
                          If not wishing to just leave systems so segregated,
                          seems from an acidhead perspective some of such might be improved
                          in a dozen sessions or so, or for more serious maybe 2 years.

                          While with SCI waiting for hardware connections in high SCI sectors to increase,
                          one might wait years or decades without much changing.


                          So I ain't get what natural reactions in thalamus are made out alike "hyper"sensitive. And alike something wrong with its reactions changing.
                          For me it'd belong to change. So for getting internal long range connections,
                          there's higher capacities and better sensitivity.


                          (I might less worry about what belongs,
                          and more hope that the sequencer is bright enough,
                          to eventually get how to program itself a bunch alone.

                          As else according interlinks might either not go at all,
                          or might require that the self figures out how to get thalamus to it.
                          Which might require quite some additional work.
                          And would be just more practical, if the sequencer got it alone.

                          Or at least not requiring ages for some starter help,
                          till getting various somewhen better alone.

                          If the sequencer never got the hang alone, I might regard this alike a major fall-out.
                          From my perspective the other main thinker, not being processing, too, how to get a bunch of systems to phase together.
                          That'd suck.

                          I might regard it alike the in this third most important command central.
                          {After the brain base and the self.}

                          So I regard it more the opposite: If, simplified, thalamus weren't starting to change capacities alone, I might work towards that it will.)


                          [Brain base phasing in with spine regions.
                          From several neocortex sectors energetically bridging over, as mentioned elsewhere. Trying for sensory c. down. Thalamus down in with spine. Giving cerebellum some tries. And upper frontal cortex. (Maybe after first sensory cortex, and if getting this, then straight over to upper frontal and trying from there, too.)
                          Also trying to figure out various about some spine regions.
                          Interesting, though for me might be a bit much parallel, seems also trying settings together for navel, spine a certain area (the hight, where for me sometimes also heart correlated perceptions increase; in T), brain base, my self, and the SCI.
                          I mentioned elsewhere transgrowth considerations.

                          (Me, might also wonder if some embryonal programs could be reactivated without triggering dangerous shut off cellular programs?
                          Been born late, and when younger at times I went towards embryonal in the bathtub. {Bugged me needing to surface for breathing in between, as not in the old programs.} Forget when it ceased, in teenage? Anyway, doubt these days I still could like that.
                          But wonder, anyway, if not from towards such stages might be some special options.)]


                          (Been before at thalamus alterations ... )

                          "A similar alteration might occur in stroke victims,
                          says University of Maryland, Baltimore pain researcher Joel Greenspan."

                          I ain't get, what thalamus segregated with spine, and making some changes
                          (maybe to be better able to synch long distance with akasha of systems, or whatever),
                          is supposed to be similar to generalized stroke "victims".
                          (Which partially might have become "victims" of their own actions. Alike having stuffed fatty foods into them, maybe smoked also, too little sports, etc.)

                          I'm no med smurf. But so far it was my understanding, a stroke means in the melon, some blood vessel alike getting corked and bursting, which might be quite unbecoming for brain systems.

                          This sounds very differing from, for example, spine broken,
                          and thalamus altering adaptive.

                          A stroke might damage, for example, the language structurer.
                          And the self then might have talking problems.

                          So I fail to get the similarity.


                          "He suspects that in the months after the stroke, healthy brain neurons sprout into damaged areas."
                          Such was not mentioned with the previous thalamus example. Again similarity not gotten. Thalamus might be quite far away from SCI.

                          "These invading cells" Why "invade"?! (Do they kill others? Plunder? ...)
                          If someone were out of money, and another gave him some,
                          or something else not there and given, is this invasion?
                          Weird vocabulary use & attitudes.

                          "might misinterpret incoming signals, turning innocuous sensations into excruciating ones."

                          "Might"ing around,
                          it might also be that one assumes it not the task of a single brain cell to interpret a bunch. Apart from, why should a whole bunch of DNA-proper neurons ALL misinterpret.

                          Might be also, the author'd call it even "innocuous", in case a damaged sector,
                          not able to handle as much as before parallel, and with injured systems,
                          is sent highly overload by other systems' signals,
                          maybe even up to risk of additional damages to damaged systems disturbed in recovery.

                          (IMO some forms of overloads in some damaged systems can even cause epilepsy.)


                          Anyway, one might wonder if this author would call
                          even damaging overloads of a damaged system "innocuous",
                          while declaring interlinks into the sector reporting damages and overloads,
                          in forms of pains, to be misinterpretation errors.

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                            "Greenspan and Lenz are trying to map brain areas where specific pain sensations occur." Which does not change, that also energetically pains can be transmitted over quite some distances.

                            Whether between some person and another, or in one person internally quite some distances, for example in someone who got a limb partially severed.

                            Anyway, if in a person it were "just" some brain areas that are the source centers.
                            Injuries might have occured then, and pains being reactions to this.

                            Even if knowing in which individual case which sectors are perceiving pains
                            in context with this or that differing injury, this does not heal the injury.


                            Someone once asked if I have some headache pills. I ansered (in German) alike:
                            Wrong address for such. If I get a headache, it tends to have causes.

                            These causes are not made gone, by chemically messing additionally into systems.
                            Usually pain indicates there's systems damages.

                            Low activities caused by other systems in the according sector(s),
                            sleep, relaxing, ... Can averaged seem good for them recovering better.

                            Some pains can also inform me, by going up, if a damaged sector gets ways more overloaded than is good for it.

                            To add, to already existing damages, chemical attacks into brain sectors and body organs,
                            to numb important systems informations, regarded sucking, seems not very wise.

                            Anyway, no headache pills were to be had from me.


                            "With such a map, doctors might one day be able to switch off particular sensations:"
                            By crippling into systems, where many functions are little to partially not at all
                            understood by them? Grand.

                            To try to switch off something, that might be about as little
                            for serious well understood by them.

                            Also noticed by wild speculations,
                            it might be this, it might be that.

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                              "Scientists at the University of California, San Francisco announced last month that they had injected a signal-blocking gene into the rat cortex, halting pain coming from a specific brain region."

                              Criminals language can keep astounding.
                              THE Jew. THE monkey. THE rat. THE groupname-in-singular of an imprisoned person.
                              Held prisoner, though not having committed a serious crime,
                              to be committed serious crimes into.
                              THEd about with the groupname in the singular, as if a person pertaining to a group,
                              would be THE excuse to commit criminal acts into this person.

                              (Sometimes along with trying to declare one's own worst kind of&for Earth the best.
                              Remotely alike saying: I'm of the worst kind of all for planet harmonies,
                              and therefore obvious the best kind of all on Earth, justifying atrocious perversions into imprisoned women, men and children. Declared like things possessions, called alike
                              THE deindividualized, desexualized, possessionalized brain relative.)
                              And if somewhen not getting at imprisoned women, men and children
                              of us mammalian persons anymore, predictably neuro might then try for the next closest brain relatives they can keep prisoners and maim around in, calling such a person
                              THE ... (groupname-in-singular).

                              It's THE PERSON.


                              Anyway, so they injected some gene into the cortex of an imprisoned person.

                              A gene seems usually in nature within a cell. So just injecting a gene into some area with cells, what does it do. Remaining outside the cells or getting into cell's DNA somehow?

                              Apart from this, while very many brain systems both our kinds have,
                              one that their's ain't seem to have is the language structurer.
                              So that the prisoner cannot verbally inform what is thought about this.
                              Therefore, even if from some here unspecified brain region
                              something doesn't go to some unspecified part of the cortex,
                              this is not informing me, if the self could get something from this or that region.

                              (Someone might as well inform my "limbic" centered self:
                              From unspecified region A
                              something ain't go anymore to unspecified region B in the neocortex.
                              So what. This unspecified stuff ain't tell, how much can('t) go to the self.
                              Nor, what systems get all disturbed, if one sector is crippled around in,
                              till it can't transmit to another properly anymore.)


                              And if the self couldn't get pain informations about regions anymore,
                              next one might touch something burning hot, without noticing.
                              Cut oneself accidentally, and not notice.
                              Get some body part squished, and not notice. Etc.

                              With crippled pain information, unnoticed, maybe also such a bunch of splinters, thorns, etc. sticking out of damaged systems, that one might look alike a hedgehog.

                              How aspirable.

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