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    Cannabis and Spinal Cord Injuries

    Spinal cord injuries (SCI) are uncommon but can have permanent and devastating effects on one?s daily life and well-being. Still, research has a long way to go in developing effective SCI medications without side effects or addictive potential. As early as the 1970s, studies began documenting cannabis? ability to fight pain and spasticity in patients with spinal cord injury. Today medical marijuana offers patients an alternative regimen that treats these relentless and unpleasant symptoms that can take such a toll on life quality.
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    I know it can be pretty effective seizures but what are the effects for spasms, as a muscle relaxant NOT associated with seizures? Side effects (drowsiness, lethargy, etc.)? My understanding is that the higher CBD content over the THC produces the medical benefits WITHOUT the typical side-effects resulting from marijuana.

    Personal experiences anyone? What do you specifically use it for and what has been the results?
    Last edited by chick; 22 Jun 2016, 10:04 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by chick View Post
      I know it can be pretty effective seizures but what are the effects for spasms, as a muscle relaxant NOT associated with seizures? Side effects (drowsiness, lethargy, etc.)? My understanding is that the higher CBD content over the THC produces the medical benefits WITHOUT the typical side-effects resulting from marijuana.

      Personal experiences anyone? What do you specifically use it for and what has been the results?
      I was an occasional rec user pre-SCI, maybe a few times a year. After my injury I tried it for a while, over a year, with very inconsistent results. Most of the time it would spike my nerve pain to VERY high levels for ~30 minutes, then things would go numb/barely tingly. My clonus was also much gentler, often non-existent, for hours after use. It helped me sleep, but long term use has shown to inhibit REM so there's that; the rest wasn't as restful. As a dad with young kids I found the side-effects (I.e. Being stoned) entirely incompatible with parenthood. That, mixed with the initial crazy spike in pain, led me to stop. I tried a variety of strains, both indica and sativa, but being illegal where I live QC and dosing were very hard to manage with any consistency. I also tried extracts and tinctures, with no great success. Being stoned is typically pleasant, as one might expect, if you're into the psychedelic thing, but chronic use quickly changed into something less than satisfying, and less than psychedelic, at least for me. I still enjoy the psychedelic experience a couple times a year but chronic use is fraught with issues IMO. 5 grams of dried psilocybin, taken in silent darkness, followed by smoking a joint, is a perfect recipe for getting one's mind outside of itself, to look back at itself in critical reflection, but that's as far as I go with it. (Some of the most positive, and long lasting, life changes I've made have been inspired by psychedelic experience.)
      "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

      "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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        #4
        Originally posted by chick View Post
        Personal experiences anyone? What do you specifically use it for and what has been the results?
        I, too am interested in personal experiences because I'm considering trying it see if it can relieve the constant pain I have in my right shoulder blade area. I've been as high as 120 mg a day of Baclofen as well as 16 mg a day of Suboxen with only minor relief.
        DaDutchman
        C5/C6 since 2007 due to car accident

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          #5
          Why so much Baclofen, it's not a pain med.

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            #6
            Works great for spasms. I couldn't trigger one if I tried, while on marijuana. After about 2-3 hours spasms return slowly.
            Doesn't do much for my pain. I experience a lot of neck pain. Neck instability.
            Everyone is different however. Others swear by the painkilling properties of cannabis.



            It's definitely a self-reflecting kind of drug. If you're a thinker, it just amplifies your thinking.
            I have a love/hate relationship with cannabis.

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              #7
              I wish it was legal so that scientists can work on it to help for many illnesses. I watched a CNN documentary by neurologist Sunjay Gupta who was against it but after he did the documentary he was definitely for it. It help many kids with seizures so much that no drug would help. Even some parents moved to a state where it was legal.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Jim View Post
                Why so much Baclofen, it's not a pain med.
                I'm presently at 80 mg a day for Baclofen and it is for spasms. I still experience strong spasms in the stomach and in my legs if touched just right. What's interesting with these spasms is when I take 0.5 mg of Suboxen. I will not experience any spasms then for almost 9 hours. I'm convinced I have something medically like an injury causing the spasms. The Suboxen acts as a pain killer. Thus, after taking just that 1/2 mg of Suboxen it reliefs the pain, which is in an area where I have no feeling, and stops the spasms. Just a side note, I weigh 80,000,000 mgs.
                DaDutchman
                C5/C6 since 2007 due to car accident

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                  #9
                  I am from Canada and my pain specialist prescribed CBD oil. The oil is low in THC and high in canabiods. It is supposed to help with chronic pain. So far it isn't doing that much for pain but may be helping in other ways. I am on my second month. I think there will be benefits and this science is very new. The doctor had me on a very low dose and that is why there are no benefits yet. It is made at a plant in Saskatchewan and is regulated by Health Canada. I am not allowed to travel outside of Canada with it. A one month prescription costs 130.00 Canadian.
                  There are other formulations that do contain thc and maybe they would have been better for mood modification. The pain specialist is very conservative in her approach to treating this disease.

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                    #10
                    Smoking pot dosent take the pain away but helps to manage it.

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                      #11
                      I think pot has a calming effect and this is noticeable with the cbd oil. It may also be helping me sleep better. It is oil base that you swallow.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by chick View Post
                        I know it can be pretty effective seizures but what are the effects for spasms, as a muscle relaxant NOT associated with seizures? Side effects (drowsiness, lethargy, etc.)? My understanding is that the higher CBD content over the THC produces the medical benefits WITHOUT the typical side-effects resulting from marijuana.

                        Personal experiences anyone? What do you specifically use it for and what has been the results?
                        I take these CBD gel caps. http://www.entouragehemp.com/#!shop-1/gefnq These are Hemp based but work better for me than the Cannibis based CBD that I got from Rocky Mountain Cannabis. Dr Glanville, the MMJ doctor in Ridgway Co takes the hemp based caps himself and suggested I try them. I do eat a sativa/indica based candy to get additional THC depending on whether I want an energy boost or to relax.

                        I also have a bottle of these https://elixinol.com/product/cbd-capsules/ to try and they it is also hemp oil combined with a coconut oil base. Coconut oil is very good for gut health along with Greek yogurt.

                        It will help spasms but you have to experiment with the dosage.

                        Purity is important and whether the CBD comes from hemp or cannabis. You can order the CBD hemp based products in all 50 states. Beware that the quality of the hemp and amount contained is different in all products. There is a reason why "charlotte's web" (the one used for seizures in children) is expensive. It has been through lots of tests for purity as have the ones I mentioned above.

                        Also vaping, smoking, tinctures, edibles, and rubs all work differently for everyone. I do have some of the pain creams/rubs and they come in Sativa/Indica/hybrid strains. I think each route affects a person different and whether it is hash oil based or alcohol based. You do have to try and see what works best for you and that is not easy to do as it is here.

                        It is up to you to try and see with the THC. Some strains don't make me high at all and some strains allow me to solve the world's problems and others make me feel like a cooked noodle...lol

                        I was really skeptical because of my bible belt raising...but the last month has brought a major decrease in pain both neuropathic and mechanical/overuse pain that aging has caused plus the THC gives me energy that I wouldn't otherwise have.

                        I have never played a sport and I have been playing pickleball from a sports chair for the last month.

                        Since my cord tethered, I have quite a bit of spasticity that I never had before three or so years ago. I eat a piece of Indica candy before bed and take 5 mg of oxycodone and I wake up relaxed and rested. My legs and my bladder were spasming at night and waking me up before I started the MMJ/CBD.

                        The hemp oil has helped my bowel program too. I have Irritable Bowel Syndrome/spasms and took questran for many years to avoid accidents/diarrhea. I have stopped taking the questran as the hemp oil has stopped the spasms and other issues.

                        So far I am down about 10 pounds. I went off my blood pressure medicine because hemp oil is a natural Blood Pressure stabilizer plus I think my high blood pressure episodes are related to uncontrolled pain. I am off my questran. I quit taking my anxiety medicine. But I don't think I will be able to drop the low dose oxycodone. MMJ and a low dose narcotic work together http://cornerstonecollective.com/can...pain-a-review/ There are lots of other studies that I have seen regarding this stat too.

                        I still have the burning pain in my legs but with the CBD, it is much less pronounced and I can focus on other things. http://mypassion4health.com/cannabid...oinflammation/

                        Homegrown used to spike my pain sometimes. Of course, with legalization, they have the strains down to a science so you can choose to be stoned or not and still reap the benefits of the CBD on pain. I am still learning and trying different strains.

                        Aging/overuse pain and fatigue are my biggest problems. My anxiety has increased lately. I can't seem to lose the trapped feeling since my cord tethered and caused a significant pain increase. However, it is managed with the cannabis.

                        I only wish I tried it when I first moved back to Colorado this time. It has greatly improved my quality of life and contrary to popular belief, you don't have to be stoned to get the benefits. I have done lots of research but actually trying different strains has taught me the most.

                        https://www.leafly.com/news/health/h...-access-no-pro
                        Last edited by darkeyed_daisy; 23 Jun 2016, 3:38 PM. Reason: add tidbit and too many REALLY words lol
                        T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

                        My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                          #13
                          I read about the Canada CBD. The trick is finding the dose that works or so that is what my MMJ doctor said and it can only be done by trial and error. The same dosage does not work for everyone. I take 2 15 mg capsules a day but he said I could take more or less depending on what worked.

                          Some strains do nothing like what I got from Rocky Mountain Cannabis...so I refer to that dispensary as the dollar general...the other dispensary that carries Mary's Medicinals and all the Cannabis cup winners is the Neiman Marcus dispensary lol

                          Plus competition keeps the prices affordable lol

                          I know that Brigham Women's Hospital is doing Cannabis in pill form research. They are isolating the different cannabinoids. I almost got to participate in their research.
                          T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

                          My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                            #14
                            Topical CBD has provided relief from some of the sensory weirdness associated with tethered cord.

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                              #15
                              It is all an experiment. They don't know that much about it yet. It will prove helpful to a lot of people I think and it is interesting to learn about. The oil I take is 1 part thc to 20 parts cbd oil. How do you use it topically as the bottles I get are very small and would not last?

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