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    #16
    Interesting what the differences in experiences/effects are, but that's understandable considering the wide variation in strains/levels/cbd:thc/delivery system, etc, as well as all the individual baseline factors involved.

    I've smoked a few times in past recreationally, but those effects are not what I'm interested in (got a bit high, nothing close to psychedelic). I definitely do not care to inhale any smoke, so it's good there are other forms available.

    I only take low dose baclofen but want something more as needed. The only other real option as far as meds to function that way is 2mg diazepam PRN - 4mg does nothing and 6mg mostly just makes me extremely tired, from hours after taking into the next day (so use to aid sleeping which is good, but delayed/lingering effects of sleepiness not good, so little real sleep benefits).

    Something PRN without the drowsy, lethargic, tired effects of diazepam or regular marijuana would be great. So info on CBD is helpful.

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      #17
      Originally posted by darkeyed_daisy View Post

      I also have a bottle of these https://elixinol.com/product/cbd-capsules/ to try and they it is also hemp oil combined with a coconut oil base. Coconut oil is very good for gut health along with Greek yogurt.
      Have you tried them yet? The website says it recommended to take 1 pill a day. I'm wondering if they would help with spasms. They just approved medicinal cannabis in Pennsylvania but it wont be available to patients until 2018. I take 130mg of baclofen a day and 10mg of marinol at night time.
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        #18
        Originally posted by Wills77 View Post
        Have you tried them yet? The website says it recommended to take 1 pill a day. I'm wondering if they would help with spasms. They just approved medicinal cannabis in Pennsylvania but it wont be available to patients until 2018. I take 130mg of baclofen a day and 10mg of marinol at night time.
        I have not tried that brand yet (I have a bottle ready to open) but I am actively taking http://www.entouragehemp.com/. The hemp seed oil benefits should be the same with both products. My spasms are much better and my legs got to the point they would jerk so bad, they woke me up at night. Both products (Entourage and Elixinol) have the same amount of CBD which is 15mg. The hardest part of this is getting the dosage right. Because one product may not contain the same amount of CBD/THC as another product.

        I also want to add that breaking the gel caps and using it sublingual verses taking the gel cap as a whole makes a difference for me. The doctor who prescribed them to me said that he gets better relief from putting the oil directly under the tongue. They do make a liquid form of Charlottes web http://www.cwhemp.com/all-charlottes-web-products that you can squirt under the tongue. I did not get good results with this tincture though http://dixieelixirs.com/product/ginger-mango-dew-drops/ My doctor said that most people don't consider the delivery route to be important but it works different for everyone. My doctor encouraged me to try them and just see what works for me. No other way to find out.

        I have come across a couple of strains that I did not get any benefit at all from so the idea is to try until you find what makes you feel the best. You can't overdose on Hemp Oil and it is good for you with many health benefits.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2868018/

        https://draxe.com/7-hemp-seed-benefi...ition-profile/

        I had a really good research article for the nutritional benefits of Hemp Oil but the link does not work anymore.

        Here is a similar article I found.

        http://www.davoil.ro/documente/the-c...-nutrition.pdf

        https://authoritynutrition.com/6-hea...of-hemp-seeds/

        I would try them and see if they helped. Of course, an indica strain at night is going to do you the most good as soon as it becomes legal in your state. I relax/sleep the best when I add a small amount of Indica to the CBD that I take 2 pills a day of.
        T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

        My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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          #19
          Here is the article regarding Hemp seed as a nutritional resource:

          http://www.finola.fi/Hempseed%20Nutrition.pdf
          T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

          My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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            #20
            So another thing that may change effectiveness of CBD is the ratio of CBD to CBD-a - the percentage that is decarboxylated seems to matter. You need a provider that standardizes which I think means they have to test (gas or liquid chromatography) every batch, and that gets expensive. I mix CBD into coconut oil and use it as moisturizer and it helps normalize my sensation.

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              #21
              I have been using a strand of marijuana the actual herb that is about 20% CBD maybe a little less, and I think 6% THC. I've been using a vaporizer, 4-3 times a day i've cut my baclofen dose in half and my spasms have stayed the same or slightly less. There is no high effect after the first time and it was pretty minimal compared to the stuff I smoked with my buddies. I don't know if I'll be able to get out of The drug fully, but my spasms are no joke I should be on a lot more baclofen and in fact supposed to be on the pump!but I refuse without trying every option, don't need that shit ruining my recovery, excluding me from clinical trials and exasperating spinal atrophy.so I must point out that even with the baclofen, or the herb my spasms are likely higher than most peoples tolerance, and still in the danger level Breaking bones, Rolling out of chair, bedsores etc. but I just plan accordingly. Now that that said, CBD definitely does relax spasticity Long term I don't know and I still have to take meds for bladder spasmsor else I'd be covered in urine and very sick, but I'm hoping Botox will get me off them not thats a lot better but.

              As for nerve pain I think that's subjective, peoples pain tolerance are far too different between each individual, I think it does reduce it sometimes others not so much, I refuse to take any meds for it because I think they are very harmful and don't do much too Justify those side effects. I think good source of magnesium, dietary rather then supplements has shown more concrete improvement for me, minor but still

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                #22
                Also wanted to add that Hemp is a great protein and comes in a protein powder to be mixed with smoothies or anything else.

                http://www.bobsredmill.com/hemp-protein-powder.html

                I have quit eating vegetable oil unless I really want to eat out someplace and don't know the ingredients used.
                T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

                My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                  #23
                  If you tried a CBD product and you didn't feel any difference, try another one.

                  The most complicated thing is getting the CBD dosage that is right for YOU. It is not the same for anyone and some respond better to MJ based CBD and some respond better to Hemp based CBD.

                  I found if I stick with the same dosage and tested CBD, the benefits are the same.

                  Lots of CBD brands out there but not all of them are real CBD or watered down until there is little CBD contained in them. Stick with companies that test the CBD they are offering and it is usually quite a bit more expensive than brands that claim they are CBD and are not.

                  Just like recreational MJ, there are the "Neiman Marcus" brands/strains and there are the "Dollar General" brands/strains. lol Quality is important.
                  T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

                  My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by darkeyed_daisy View Post
                    If you tried a CBD product and you didn't feel any difference, try another one.

                    The most complicated thing is getting the CBD dosage that is right for YOU. It is not the same for anyone and some respond better to MJ based CBD and some respond better to Hemp based CBD.

                    I found if I stick with the same dosage and tested CBD, the benefits are the same.

                    Lots of CBD brands out there but not all of them are real CBD or watered down until there is little CBD contained in them. Stick with companies that test the CBD they are offering and it is usually quite a bit more expensive than brands that claim they are CBD and are not.

                    Just like recreational MJ, there are the "Neiman Marcus" brands/strains and there are the "Dollar General" brands/strains. lol Quality is important.
                    Interesting, are you in Canada? If so Is maricann A good source?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by darkeyed_daisy View Post
                      If you tried a CBD product and you didn't feel any difference, try another one.

                      The most complicated thing is getting the CBD dosage that is right for YOU. It is not the same for anyone and some respond better to MJ based CBD and some respond better to Hemp based CBD.
                      Excellent advice. One thing to remember is that THC and CBD are only two of over 100 different cannabinoids in the plant. Research is ongoing as to what benefits each of them may have and how they work together. Different strains and genotypes within each strain have different balances of those components.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by JamesMcM View Post
                        Interesting, are you in Canada? If so Is maricann A good source?
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                        My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                          #27
                          There is another compound in Cannabis that you may not be aware of which is CBN/Cannabinol in addition to CBD/Cannabidiol.

                          https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis...is-cannabinoid

                          You should be able to order CBD in any state from Mary's nutritionals.

                          http://www.marysnutritionals.com/cbd...line-s/102.htm

                          And you should be able to get the THC laiden from Mary's Medicinals.

                          http://www.marysmedicinals.com/products-properties/

                          I am supplementing my usual CBD (that I take normally and discussed above) with the CBN/Sativa transdermal pen this week. I am moving so I appreciate the extra energy this gives without the psychoactive side effects. So if you are in a legal state, you can try this one. I did not get any benefit when I tried Rocky Mountain Cannabis version of muscle rub. But this transdermal is great and has decreased my pain this week to where I can function with all the extra activity with moving (including painting walls). I am impressed with this one. If you are in a non-legal state you can still get the CBD transdermal pen and try it.

                          Marys company won the Cannabis cup and several other awards for their products and they are rigorously tested.

                          http://www.marysmedicinals.com/news-...nnawards-2015/

                          Chick, this may be some information that may help you.

                          https://www.projectcbd.org/article/d...ficiency-video

                          and

                          https://theroc.us/ (If you register here, you can get discounts on the products they promote).

                          I know some of you struggle with low blood pressure so please take that into consideration as one of the benefits for me has been lowering mine (due to pain) so I can stop taking my prescription for blood pressure medicine. I did talk with my doctor about this and she was skeptical until I showed her the log in my BP machine that showed the remarkable difference between before and after pressure.

                          Crazy enough is the fact that I had to give up taking anti-inflammatories in 2005 because of bleeding stomach ulcers due to Nsaids Ibuprofen and Celebrex type drugs. Most Pain management clinics require an anti-inflammatory even though I had records showing my ulcers. If you develop one, they will always come back when you try to use an AI again.

                          Brigham Womens Hospital is doing research with drugs in which they are isolating CBN/CBD and other components of MJ in pill form. Dr Christina Sang accepted me into a research program but the Tramadol I was taking prevented me from participating because pain management did not want to prescribe oxy instead and without an anti-inflammatory. I finally got my primary care doctor to switch my drugs after she talked to Dr Sang via phone but I missed the date to start participating in the study. I do talk to them often and I know it was a cannabis drug but that is the extent of the information they would give. I hope to participate in future studies but I am already seeing the benefits just with what I am doing on my own. http://www.brighamandwomens.org/rese...ls/spinal.aspx She is doing great work. Nsaids and Anti-Inflammatories should never be a long term solution for anyone with a chronic pain condition that will never heal.

                          I hope this kind of information helps. I was very hesitant to try MMJ from the stigma/bible belt raising but now I only wish I had tried it sooner.
                          T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

                          My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                            #28
                            Here is interesting article about Marijuana. I really believe if it was federally legal and the scientists did research on it there would be a lot of benefit to many people.

                            http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-0...ins-brain.html

                            Cannabinoids remove plaque-forming Alzheimer's proteins from brain cells

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                              #29
                              It will be a long, long path before cannabis is accepted by the mainstream medical providers. This survey is sort of an amateur-hour type of affair, but it indicates the level of resistance in medical schools.

                              http://www.outwordmagazine.com/insid...abinoid-system

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by David Berg View Post
                                It will be a long, long path before cannabis is accepted by the mainstream medical providers. This survey is sort of an amateur-hour type of affair, but it indicates the level of resistance in medical schools.

                                http://www.outwordmagazine.com/insid...abinoid-system
                                Nice informative article. I think the researchers are ok with it but no lab will go into it because government will cut funding for all other programs. Like you said it might be a long time or can be done by private funding.

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