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    Spinal Shock and Spinal Swelling

    I'm still in spinal shock and am now just starting to come out of it. What exactly does spinal shock mess with? Like what does it restrict, sensation, function, etc... When I come out of spinal shock what could come back? Can't spinal shock last for up to 1 year and a half?

    Also, my spinal cord was horribly and horrificly crushed. I was told that after it is decompressed it will swell, same question as the spinal shock one, what does spinal swelling prevent? What is possible of returning after spinal cord is not swollen anymore? How long will cord be swollen? I've been told 2 years.

    Thanks,
    Your friendly neighborhood WonderDerek!

    #2
    Derek,

    Dr. Wise describes spinal shock here:

    /forum/showpost.php?p=322361&postcount=7

    I do not believe spinal shock lasts for a year. But it is true that it is only after decompression and when the swelling in the spinal cord subsides can you learn the extent of damage to the cord. Swelling can take quite a while to subside. As swelling goes down, one may experience returns.
    Daniel

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      #3
      Thanks

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        #4
        Derek, I came out of spinal shock around a month post. The docs said, 3 weeks after this, if i don't get any return, i'm not going to get any. 2 months after spinal shock is when I first moved my right toe, so I wouldn't listen to the doctors unless they arn't tards.
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          #5
          I understand that when you're in spinal shock, you have no spasms.

          I started getting spasms around 3 or 4 weeks after injury, so I presume that is when I came out of spinal shock.

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            #6
            I was told spinal shock was anywhere from 3 weeks to 1 1/2 years. Oh well...

            I had spasms a month after my accident but my bladder couldn't void on it's own and now it's ridiculous how much my bladder spasms. My leg stopped and my bladder started, lol.

            Corey, I was able to move my big toe on my right foot when I got home 2 months ago, which was 2 months after the accident, and then I got to the point where I was able to move 3 toes but only every now and then. It was so exhausting when I would try to move them and after moving them, just a smidge, I was so burnt out. It was so unbelievably hard to move them but for some reason I can't anymore

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              #7
              I was the same way Derek, it took so much concentration my face would turn beat red trying to do it. Did you e-stim it? As soon as I get movement I started e-stimming it, and then more stuff just woke up. I think next was my inner thigh muscle that would move ur leg inward which was weird because it wasn't even close to my toe.

              On my bad leg, i use to be able to move my 2nd toe, and that stopped, its weird how stuff comes and leaves
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                #8
                Originally posted by mr_coffee
                I was the same way Derek, it took so much concentration my face would turn beat red trying to do it. Did you e-stim it? As soon as I get movement I started e-stimming it, and then more stuff just woke up. I think next was my inner thigh muscle that would move ur leg inward which was weird because it wasn't even close to my toe.

                On my bad leg, i use to be able to move my 2nd toe, and that stopped, its weird how stuff comes and leaves
                Never tried e-stiming, didn't know it could help from that. How much is an e-stim machine??

                My face would become beat red as well. The other night when I was laying on my back I put my finger on a hip muscle a nd felt that it was being stretched, I had been sitting all day and now was laying. I tried to move it, not expecting anything, and felt the left hip muscle TRYINGto work if that makes sense . The muscle did, however, tighten one time for a second or two. Hasn't done it since.

                So, do you think the e-stim had something to do with all of your returns? I still want your cord, bro!

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                  #9
                  I read your profile wonderderek and it says you got injured the same
                  day as me, only I gut hurt a year earlier.

                  Keps, thats strange because I had spasms in the first few weeks of
                  my injury and my docs told me it was because of spinal shock.

                  I stopped having spasm about a month after my injury because of
                  the LMN injury. Wish I had them though.

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                    #10
                    That is weird Buck, i had no spasims until i came out of spinal shock. I thought i was cured becuase i was moving my legs but the doc promptly told me, no thats spasims. i was like, O RLY? F U. hah

                    Derek, I would highly recommend E-stim unit, I give the most of my return due to my stim unit. I would have a quad gut if it wasn't for this stim unit. Becuase i did have a huge ass quad gut until i started using this thing, and i stopped eating big meals. If i don't e-stim my left leg (the bad one) every day you can notice a huge difference. My knee gets so unstable, because its connected by the quads. Same with the hamstring. So i love my e-stim unit, i'd make sweet love to it if it was possible.
                    Mine is an empi focus unit, its not a TENS unit its a neuromusclar unit. I had a post of it and pics, i'll see if i can find it. It cost around 800, insurance didn't cover it, but some do.
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                      #11
                      Buck, dude, that's crazy. I HATE January now and that used to be my favorite month My spasms have recently stopped for the most part. That happened when I stopped taking my Baclofen.

                      Originally posted by mr_coffee
                      That is weird Buck, i had no spasims until i came out of spinal shock. I thought i was cured becuase i was moving my legs but the doc promptly told me, no thats spasims. i was like, O RLY? F U. hah

                      Derek, I would highly recommend E-stim unit, I give the most of my return due to my stim unit. I would have a quad gut if it wasn't for this stim unit. Becuase i did have a huge ass quad gut until i started using this thing, and i stopped eating big meals. If i don't e-stim my left leg (the bad one) every day you can notice a huge difference. My knee gets so unstable, because its connected by the quads. Same with the hamstring. So i love my e-stim unit, i'd make sweet love to it if it was possible.
                      Mine is an empi focus unit, its not a TENS unit its a neuromusclar unit. I had a post of it and pics, i'll see if i can find it. It cost around 800, insurance didn't cover it, but some do.
                      I thought I was moving my leg when my sasms started happening and I got the news I felt the same way. Where can I get an E-stim unit? F**king 800 bucks?!?! Shit, I don't want to buy anything that won't work. I'm kind of PISS POOR right now because of the accident. Cory, dude, you lucky son of a bitch. I'm complete, does that matter?

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                        #12
                        You can't really know if the NMES unit won't work until you try. Usually if you have spasticity, spasms, you might respond to e-stim. I think bruce or somebody else posted a much cheaper unit than the EMPI focus or 300pv. I don't remember the link. I think it requires a prescription/script for sale here in the US.

                        I know all abou tbeing piss poor, Derek ... this accident's cost a lot and still costs ... agrh!!!
                        Daniel

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                          #13
                          hah oh im' broke as shit as well. It makes it even better that insurance won't cover anything. I bet they are still pissed they had to make me a kAFO, eat that insurance, i'm sure i'll be billed later.

                          I had some money saved from working the summers before thats how i afforded it, actually i was forced to buy it. My PHysical therapist at in-patient told me, here you can try this, but as soon as they want it back, send it back. So i wait, i never get any letter saying, hey ur trial is done.

                          But I did get a 800 dollar bill in the mail along with them charging me for the pads they kept sending me for free. I told them my story, they said, i have no idea what your talking about, your next payment is due, blah blah blah. But i'm so happy they forced me into getting it.

                          Dan is right though, see if you can find a cheaper model, go to your PT and ask him if you can try some electrial stimulation (make sure its not a TENS UNIT) and make sure he knows what he's doing. May the force be with you. (its true i am a lucky SOB)
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mr_coffee
                            hah oh im' broke as shit as well. It makes it even better that insurance won't cover anything. I bet they are still pissed they had to make me a kAFO, eat that insurance, i'm sure i'll be billed later.

                            I had some money saved from working the summers before thats how i afforded it, actually i was forced to buy it. My PHysical therapist at in-patient told me, here you can try this, but as soon as they want it back, send it back. So i wait, i never get any letter saying, hey ur trial is done.

                            But I did get a 800 dollar bill in the mail along with them charging me for the pads they kept sending me for free. I told them my story, they said, i have no idea what your talking about, your next payment is due, blah blah blah. But i'm so happy they forced me into getting it.

                            Dan is right though, see if you can find a cheaper model, go to your PT and ask him if you can try some electrial stimulation (make sure its not a TENS UNIT) and make sure he knows what he's doing. May the force be with you. (its true i am a lucky SOB)
                            I have had e-stim done on my legs and it took 50hz to make them stand on their toes with the things on my caves. I know it works for me because they did it on my quads as well. It'll work on my hammies too. Don't know about my ass because my ass is QUITE atrophy made. But when the stim is stimming the muscles what do you do?? Do you try to tighten the muscle as it's being stimulated? I'll save some money for an e-stim.

                            Cory, bro, I'm going to find you and, in your sleep, switch cords with you. You'll wake up with only a note next to the bed. Lucky ****

                            Even if it doesn't help me get back, will it cause SOME hypertrophy??

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                              #15
                              WonderDerek, you were a roofer too, I framed homes and broke
                              my back on the job. Did it for 3 years and loved it. I also spent
                              my evenings in the gym after work. I guess it's cuz we're young
                              that we have so much in common.

                              If you have a good rehab doc, they'll find you an e-stim unit that
                              you won't have to pay for. My rehab Dr. made sure that I got to
                              try one for a month, it didn't do much, but it was worth a try. Trust
                              me, you can find someone else to pay for it.

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