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  • #16
    Originally posted by t8burst View Post
    Because of course if we just ignore the fact that there are sick people out there who do evil things based on impulse then the problem will just magically go away. Got it.
    Indeed. So wearing jewelry is stupid because you are asking to be mugged. Going out in public as a quad in a wheelchair is stupid because society is full of crackpots waiting to victimize someone over whom they perceive a power advantage. "You really should have known better."
    Last edited by Random; 04-03-2011, 10:29 PM. Reason: I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking John's crockpot

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    • #17
      can't really say for sure what tburst may have meant--but I think the man who made the statement ACTUALLY believes, that if woman did not stimulate the "impulse", then they would be safer.

      So he said, don't dress that way--and you won't get targeted.

      So it is an unevolved way of thinking..in the Movie documentary Neda about the woman killed in Iran..(everyone should watch it is is very enlightening on many levels.) it was told that woman deemed too "pretty" were assaulted as they brought out the "impulse" by their looks alone. Iran snipers would shot them in the crowd as they "made them" feel evil thoughts and not close to their God.

      SO the point of the walk is to state, that even if we are in a nudest camp.wearing bikini's, or dressing in a manner which shows we embrace our sexuality,.the impulse to RAPE is based on anger and hate and control..and that is what needs to be addressed..not the "impulse" or wrongly perceived reason that may be underlying.

      Bottom line is most men don't see a sexy girl even in the most skimpy outfit..and even imagine raping her.they imagine sex with her, but not forced...and a angry bitter evil man will rape regardless of what a woman wears.

      NO?
      "The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.” ~Carlos Castaneda

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      • #18
        whether we like it or not sick people are out there looking to prey on us. the easier the target,the more attention the target attracts the higher the chance of being involved. sick bastards rape nuns in full nun attire and 95 year old patients in retirement homes.

        then there are the garden variety "nicest guy you ever met" sickos,you know the date rape types, who are driven by some sick need to prove that they are gods gift to women. they would tend to single out their target based on what they feel will bolster their manhood-sexiest,smartest,best lineage and so on. closely related to these sickos are the advantageous scum bags, those that think maybe she's drunk enough that she wont remember or even better she is so drunk that she can't even speak to say no.

        either way drawing too much attention to yourself is not a good idea unless you are sure of your surroundings and have a very big well armed gay male bodyguard escorting you for the night.

        unfortunately i like women who are dressed a little risque, but i think my right to see women dress slutty and a woman's right to dress slutty might not out weigh the risk involved.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by nrf View Post
          either way drawing too much attention to yourself is not a good idea unless you are sure of your surroundings and have a very big well armed gay male bodyguard escorting you for the night.

          unfortunately i like women who are dressed a little risque, but i think my right to see women dress slutty and a woman's right to dress slutty might not out weigh the risk involved.

          I see what your saying but the issue is Do men rape because they are turned on sexually? i.e the "slutty" clothing. It is not sexually pleasurable to rape--it takes force and violence and immense struggle..and while they may ejaculate...that is not the purpose of the act. The purpose of the act is to dominate--to hurt to let out repressed anger hate. and control.

          I mean even in prehistoric times where men were said to "hit the woman over the head and drag them off"..that is not entirely factually true. Men were loving and felt love and protection for woman. Sex was and is more fulfilling when reciprocal.

          So we can not walk down a dark alley alone even if we were wearing full clothing. We may still be victimized.

          So it would appear that while the cloths may make a man sexually aroused..it is NOT the cloths per se that makes him choose to rape.

          Anymore than it is the child simply being a child that makes a pedophile act.
          "The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.” ~Carlos Castaneda

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Random View Post
            Indeed. So wearing jewelry is stupid because you are asking to be mugged. Going out in public as a quad in a wheelchair is stupid because society is full of crockpots waiting to victimize someone over whom they perceive a power advantage. You really should have known better.
            I have altered my behavior because I am in a wheelchair and cannot defend myself like I could have when I was AB. My point was this, there are things you can do to lessen the likelihood of you being victimized. I would not have phrased that sediment the way that cop did, but daisey said "no matter how he phrased it". There are times and places where it is dangerous for a woman to dress provocatively, just as there are times an places that are dangerous to be if you are getting money out of an ATM and you are a 46 year old male in a wheelchair. That is all I was saying. I don't know who Chris Brown is, was not commenting on any part of that discussion.

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            • #21
              i don't know why men rape but i do know there is not one reason, there are many.

              sherocks, you do have the right to walk down a dark alley, in the worst part of town, in the wee hours of the morning, wearing a mini skirt and high heels, but why take the risk.

              all i know for sure is that at 50 my primal urge to have sex with an attractive woman is still very strong. at 20 it was mind blowing. if you add the triggering of those primal urges(that i believe every man has) with a mentally sick young man you are not creating a safe or stable situation.

              all of that aside having a slut parade is a good way of dressing the way you like and having some fun(i wish i could be there to enjoy) but please be careful when the parade breaks up and you go your own way.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by nrf View Post
                sherocks, you do have the right to walk down a dark alley, in the worst part of town, in the wee hours of the morning, wearing a mini skirt and high heels, but why take the risk.
                No I agree with you and tburst..certainly we should be careful of allowing oursleves to be in a position where the "opportunity" exists for assault..No one is argueing that point..precautions must be taken regardless of how we dress.

                The point the woman are trying to make is it is not the dress that made them be raped..it was not the circumstance the woman put themselves..in..it was a woman who happened to be dressed in what today is considered normal club wear who was victimized and then BLAMED..in a way by saying if "ya'll don;t want to get raped then don;t dress like sluts"

                I mean how many men have seen a sexy woman and really wanted to rape them? maybe a "rape fantasy" or a ravaging.. but NOT to really want to violently force her..that is not the norm..and we cannot live in a society afraid to dress how we like so that those who may want to harm us will be less inclined ..as like I pointed out..anymore than children should be afraid to play at playgrounds because some sick men are seeing them.

                But yes,,no sexy outfits or any outfits in dark alleys..or unsecure places.
                "The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.” ~Carlos Castaneda

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                • #23
                  I generally don't have a positive opinion of most law enforcement officers to begin with. But when a provincial court judge comes up with something like this, what kind of message does it send throughout the entire justice system, down to police officers?


                  A convicted rapist will not go to jail because a Manitoba judge says the victim sent signals that "sex was in the air" through her suggestive attire and flirtatious conduct on the night of the attack.

                  Kenneth Rhodes was given a two-year conditional sentence last week which allows him to remain free in the community, in a decision likely to trigger strong debate. The Crown wanted at least three years behind bars.

                  Queen's Bench Justice Robert Dewar called Rhodes a "clumsy Don Juan" who may have misunderstood what the victim wanted when he forced intercourse along a darkened highway outside Thompson in 2006.
                  Source: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...116801578.html

                  Bottom line: it shouldn't matter what a woman is wearing. If she says no, then men really need to learn to respect that. And the Canadian justice system needs to hold those who won't criminally responsible.

                  That police officer should have lost his job. As should have Robert Dewar.

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                  • #24
                    Rape will happen no matter what the person is wearing which is why the officers statement is so off. There is nothing that can justify rape. No excuses.
                    Some girls invite themselves to be treated in a manner that they can not handle mentally or physically when they are barely dressed.
                    We are having a neighborhood BBQ right now and I brought this subject up with the gentleman sitting in our group, which drew others to the conversation. The concensus is that if you dress like a slut,then you will generally be talked to and treated like a slut (slut being what society has defined it as a provocativly dressed woman). Right or wrong the men said that when they are out and about it they will eye ball the woman that looks the "easiest" in the room and it is rarely the one wearing the turtle neck. That doesn't mean she is a slut by the true definition, but men generally won't treat her like a lady if she is dressed in that manner. A sluty look goes well at the club, parties and a few other entertainment venues. If you are dressed like a slut then you are pretty much looked at like the entertainment in the room. Mix a little alcohol with that scantily dressed woman in the room and see what kind of attention she gets. She doesn't deserve to be raped but she is attracting attention that she may not want.
                    DFW TEXAS- T-10 since March 20th, 1994

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                    • #25
                      orangejello,

                      you are right if a woman says no it should be no. and if a man wants to flash a solid gold rolex and a wad of 100's as he stumbles drunk to his car from a strip club he shouldn't be mugged. people with communicable diseases should stop having sex or at least inform their partners beforehand.people shouldn't pollute.

                      men do respect that when a woman says no thats it, for you to imply that men don't is insulting. who doesn't respect that are evil sick people who can't be prosecuted until after they have already ruined some poor girls life. do you want your daughter or niece being that girl?

                      get off your soapbox and think before you close your mind. there is the way it should be and there is the way it is. we all live in the way it is, whether we like it or not.

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                      • #26
                        orangejello,

                        if it were my daughter out on the side of the freeway i would be very upset at her choices and i would let her know it.i would not tell her she had a right to act that way. i would also prefer the rapist to be free. it's very hard having a man to rapist conversation when one of you is in jail.

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                        • #27
                          sherocks,

                          this girl dressed like a slut, she acted like a slut, she engaged in the prelude to sexual intercourse then changed her mind. the man should have backed off called her every name in the book and dropped her off at the nearest bus station. but we can't say she was raped because of the way dressed, she walked much further down that path before he became physical.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by nrf View Post
                            orangejello,

                            if it were my daughter out on the side of the freeway i would be very upset at her choices and i would let her know it.i would not tell her she had a right to act that way. i would also prefer the rapist to be free. it's very hard having a man to rapist conversation when one of you is in jail.
                            That's all well and good...except you aren't a judge or a police officer in a position of public authority so the comparison with your daughter doesn't make sense.

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                            • #29
                              orangejello,

                              you are right, but what message is better

                              1) if you dress, act, behave in an unsafe manner it's okay because it's your right and the rapist will be locked in prison after the fact.

                              2) be aware of your surroundings, save your most sensual attire for those you know well, try to stay with friends, don't get drunk and take ecstasy just prior to getting in a car with men you don't know.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by nrf View Post
                                sherocks,

                                but we can't say she was raped because of the way dressed, she walked much further down that path before he became physical.
                                True. the judge stated that she shouldnt dress like a "slut" which is the reason for the march.

                                and I was addressing that issue specifically.

                                I wish all rapist could get your kind of justice. Like you said.it hurts all of us in society men and woman to have them around.
                                "The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.” ~Carlos Castaneda

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