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    I know that Clayton's suicide has resulted in many folks in the CareCure community thinking about suicide. Some folks are even actively suicidal. The plus is that people are talking amongst one another about how they are feeling.

    This whole thing caused me to pause and try to pull together some resources. I looked up "suicide clusters/contagion and found this definition:
    http://www.hhs.gov/faq/healthprogram...alth/1704.htmlSuicide contagion is the exposure to suicide or suicidal behaviors within one's family, one's peer group, or through media reports of suicide and can result in an increase in suicide and suicidal behaviors. Direct and indirect exposure to suicidal behavior has been shown to precede an increase in suicidal behavior in persons at risk for suicide, especially in adolescents and young adults.
    CareCure can be considered a "peer group" because folks have a common denominator, spinal cord injury. Many folks have talked about embracing one another and the realization of how important folks are to each other. Still others are now openingly talking about feelings of being suicidal.

    I thought it might be a good idea to post some resources. I hope if anyone is giving suicide serious consideration, they will reach out and contact others or ask for help.

    Please take care........

    SUICIDE HOTLINES



    About.com’s List of Suicide Hotlines by State and Province (Canada)
    http://depression.about.com/library/...htm?once=true&

    Aware Foundation’s Suicide, Depression and Mental Health Hotlines
    http://www.awarefoundation.org/resou..._hotlines.aspx

    Canadian Suicide Hotlines
    http://suicidehotlines.com/canada.html

    Suicide Hotlines.com
    http://suicidehotlines.com/

    American Foundation for Suicide Prevention
    www.afsp.org

    Suicide Prevention Advocacy Network
    www.spanusa.org

    National Strategy for Suicide Prevention
    www.mentalhealth.org

    Suicide Awareness/Voices of Education
    www.save.org

    Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention (CASP/ACPS)
    www.suicideprevention.ca

    Here are some resources for Depression as well:

    Source: MedlinePlus http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/depression.html

    Websites

    University of Alabama at Birmingham’s Depression: Questions from the Clinic http://www.spinalcord.uab.edu/show.a...1&return=24467

    University of Alabama at Birmingham’s Adjustment to Spinal Cord Injury
    www.spinalcord.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=45578

    University of Washington: Depression and Spinal Cord Injury
    http://sci.washington.edu/info/pamph...ession_sci.asp


    International Foundation for Research and Education on Depression (iFred)
    www.ifred.org
    2017-D Renard Ct.
    Annapolis, MD 21401
    410-268-0044

    American Psychological Association’s Nov. 1999 article “Guidelines for spinal cord injuries don’t go far enough”
    www.apa.org/monitor/nov99/pi4.html

    American Association on Health and Disability’s Health and Disability News
    http://www.aahd.us/page.php?pname=pu...ets/prevelance
    “Depression Prevalence: Depressive Symptoms and Clinical Depression and People with Disabilities”
    http://www.aahd.us/page.php?pname=pu...eets/treatment
    “Depression Treatment: Depressive Symptoms and Clinical Depression and People with Disabilities”.

    National Institute of Mental Health’s Depression and Other Illnesses
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/HealthInform...ooccurmenu.cfm
    Has a section specific to depression and stroke.

    American Association of SCI Psychologists and Social Workers promote research to improve quality of care and works to improve skills and techniques of members.
    Publications: SCI Psychosocial Process (quarterly journal) at www.aascipsw.org/.

    Chatrooms

    NeuroTalk Communities--Depression
    http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com

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    Last edited by cheesecake; 18 May 2009, 2:22 PM.
    Every day I wake up is a good one

    #2
    Thank you very much for the links of information. Interestingly enough we were talking about this sort of thing in chat earlier today. I myself am one who went through these tendencies a couple of years ago and we were discussing how this had sort of brought a relapse of those feelings back.

    Just to talk in chat helped me out tremendously. The two people that were there (you know who you are) helped out greatly. But true that these things tend to bring the thoughts back to the forefront of someone's mind. As stated above if this is going through your mind please contact someone, a friend, a relative, a therapist or heck even me because I have been through it. This injury brings about a lot of changes but it doesn't have to be a final change.

    Heath

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      #3
      Originally posted by cheesecake
      I thought it might be a good idea to post some resources. I hope if anyone is giving suicide serious consideration, they will reach out and contact others or ask for help.
      Thank you for taking the time to post this information and I hope that people avail themselves of the help that is out there. Please don't wait until you are actively thinking about death. It's normal to be sad and to grieve one's loss after an accident or injury, but sometimes it's a good idea to get help dealing with even those feelings, let alone when they deepen into depression and feelings of hopelessness.

      C.

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        #4
        why in our culture is suicide demonized? it is a religious judeo-christian propaganda
        Han: "We are all ready to win, just as we are born knowing only life. It is defeat that you must learn to prepare for"

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          #5
          I don't think that I demonized suicide. I do think that sometimes people think they are all alone, and in fact they are not. That was the whole point of this post. If you choose help, it is there. Isolation and lonliness are bitches, but SCI doesn't have to equate isolation.
          Many people don't know where to turn for help, the list was simply resources.
          Every day I wake up is a good one

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            #6
            Cheesecake, you are golden - and we are lucky to have you here!
            Thanks for posting this.
            Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

            T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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              #7
              Originally posted by jhope
              why in our culture is suicide demonized? it is a religious judeo-christian propaganda
              I am not a Xian and I fully support the decriminalization of suicide and I believe that assisted suicide should be legalized. That being said, there is a huge difference between someone who is, say, in intense, chronic pain, dying from an incurable disease with no resources at their disposal choosing to end their life early and someone who is clinically depressed ending their life before exploring all other options available to them. I don't "demonize" anyone who is that kind of pain (I know that pain), but I would never support or condone anyone that I care about killing themselves without at least trying to get help for that depression first.

              C.

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                #8
                Cheesecake,

                I'm one of those ppl that have been struggling lately. Ozy's death is the cherry on top of numerous stressers that have led me to the end of my rope. I'll admit that I've been actively suicidal but I think I'm stronger for now. I share this simply because others need to know that they are not alone. It is the isolation, real or perceived that eats away at my psyche. I cannot believe that my experience is all that unique.

                Thank you for reaching out. Thank you for recognizing the pain many are feeling and thank you for posting the resources. I hope that others that are in that place of pain, loneliness, frustration, whatever you choose to call it, will reach out.

                FTR, I felt no sense of judgment of any kind in your OP.
                My blog: Living Life at Butt Level

                Ignite Phoenix #9 - Wheelchairs and Wisdom: Living Life at Butt Level

                "I will not die an unlived life. I will not live in fear of falling or catching fire. I choose to inhabit my days, to allow my living to open me, to make me less afraid, more accessible, to loosen my heart until it becomes a wing, a torch, a promise. I choose to risk my significance; to live so that which comes to me as seed goes to the next as blossom and that which comes to me as blossom, goes on as fruit."

                Dawna Markova Author of Open Mind.

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                  #9
                  Nothing dispels feelings of depression - and suicidal thoughts die without depression - like feelings of empowerment. We can change our environment/ambience by changing law and we can do that by changing government.

                  Learn who's trying to make a better US and vote for them. We have the power to effect change but we have to use it.

                  Vote.
                  "The world will not perish for want of wonders but for want of wonder."
                  J.B.S.Haldane

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                    #10
                    We had some experience with the phenomenon of a suicide cluster a few years ago within our lttle prairie community and although it wasn't in any way related to sci per se my understanding is that it can manifest itself among any "peer" group of people whether adult sci or teens ruled by the angst of their youth ... and is usually triggered initially by a suicide (or attempted suicide) of a member of that particular peer group.

                    In our case an unsuccessful suicide by a 17 year old girl in my daughters class ... soon followed by another young boy (successful) and then a number of other threats and attempts .... eventually over a period of about a year and a half things finally settled out but not after alot of intervention that included bringing in mental health professionals and the ultimate formation of a Community Youth Wellness Committee. It all involved alot of talking about a very difficult subject and dispelling of myths.

                    My point in bringing our particular situation to your attention is to help you understand that for anyone who might be entertaining thoughts of suicide since Clayton's passing it's important for you to know that it is not uncommon to revisit those thoughts and that it is imperative that you talk to someone about those feelings .... take them seriously and reach out ... ask for help ..... the moment most often will pass .... but while in the centre of that storm it is very difficult to believe that is true without some support!

                    We are going through a sad and scary time here at CC .... and I'm not meaning to sound trite but it's time to grieve our loss ... talk about what we are thinking and feeling .... and support each other as much as we can .... even from a distance !

                    Cheese has made available some excellent resources for any of you who may require help or even if you simply wish to educate yourselves more on the subject of sucide .... if you need to ..... talk to someone..... please!

                    Obieone
                    ~ Be the change you wish to see in the world ~ Mahatma Gandi


                    " calling all Angels ...... calling all Angels ....walk me through this one .. don't leave me alone .... calling all Angels .... calling all Angels .... we're tryin' and we're hopin' cause we're not sure how ....... this .... goes ..."
                    Jane Siberry

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by cheesecake
                      I don't think that I demonized suicide. I do think that sometimes people think they are all alone, and in fact they are not. That was the whole point of this post. If you choose help, it is there. Isolation and lonliness are bitches, but SCI doesn't have to equate isolation.
                      Many people don't know where to turn for help, the list was simply resources.
                      Thank you CheeseCake for posting these links and bringing up this subject. It is something that I personally believe we many times feel like and don't address positively. I also agree with you that we do feel isolated and alone many times and the thought of suicide is something that crosses the minds of many of us at the beginning of our live with SCI. It crossed my mind. I attempted it also after my marriage failed. I think we go through some things we find it so hard to cope with at times and the thought will come up to our minds as a solution or a way of escaping what is hurting us so deep inside of us. I still remember the pain I felt at those times. Also, the need to talk with someone we trust or feel we can confide in is very important. I found this fact after my attempt. Many times it is so hard to tell someone how you are hurting emotionally inside of you and you keep quiet or you make it sound as if you are only kidding. But inside of you, you know you are not. The decision to go ahead with it can come on suddenly and you go ahead and do it or at least attempt it. Anyways, it was like that with me.

                      An understanding friend/confidant is much needed at that particular time. Depression is a big factor too. I honestly believe that we do need to reach out for professional help before we come to a final decision as to what is the answer. That is something that is hard to find at the time particularly since our mind is overwhelmed with our emotions of the pain felt. I truly believe we many times aren't competent to make a good decision because of these emotions. They are too overwhelming.

                      Thank you so much and I hope that we can be able to support, understand and be able to help each other or others at these times. I find that many times people who commit suicide are also considered as cowards. They are not. I believe it takes a lot of courage to deal with the pain within us too and find that it is way too much to take anymore. Possibly that is the reason why people who are comtemplating it don't tell others about what they are going through and their thoughts.

                      My thoughts on the subject.

                      Raven
                      Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace. ~Victor Hugo~

                      A warrior is not one who always wins,
                      but one who keeps on fighting to the end ~ Unknown ~

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                        #12
                        Last week there were 3 in our little community who took their life. I was wondering if it was the gloomy February and hoping March would be better. It does make you contemplate a lot of things to hear of so many in such a close proximity. It definitely brings old feelings to the surface again.
                        If you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.


                        Sometimes it is easier to widen doors than it is to open minds.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JenJen
                          Cheesecake,

                          I'm one of those ppl that have been struggling lately. Ozy's death is the cherry on top of numerous stressers that have led me to the end of my rope. I'll admit that I've been actively suicidal but I think I'm stronger for now. I share this simply because others need to know that they are not alone. It is the isolation, real or perceived that eats away at my psyche. I cannot believe that my experience is all that unique.

                          Thank you for reaching out. Thank you for recognizing the pain many are feeling and thank you for posting the resources. I hope that others that are in that place of pain, loneliness, frustration, whatever you choose to call it, will reach out.

                          FTR, I felt no sense of judgment of any kind in your OP.
                          JenJen: It took tremendous courage to post this and I am glad you did. Please know that for many, sometimes just talking openly helps. I hope you know that you have support here on CareCure and probably in more places than you know. Keep reaching out.
                          Every day I wake up is a good one

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                            #14
                            Thanks for posting the resources Cheesecake.
                            Thank you JenJen for being honest about your feelings. It helped me focus mine.

                            I unfortunately have known too many people that have committed suicide. A school board member, a teacher, my uncle, my cousin, my neighbor's friend. I myself have thought about it both before and after my injury. The feelings are real and deep. It is hard to talk about but I am glad to have this thread and forum to help me express what I can't always say to my family.

                            Kathy

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                              #15
                              Cheesecake, the info you posted has probably helped more people than will admit. That is a sad fact in our culture that it's considered weak to ever feel intense depression and suicidal thoughts. Sci is such an identity changing injury there's very few who don't feel hopeless at some point. If anyone reading my post feels down and wants to talk at an understanding ear, I volunteer my listening without judgement. Sometimes people just need to vent out their sorrows and frustrations to get different perspective. At times, I've noticed the forums being negative to people in need of comfort. Let's remember that we are all different, and some issues are harder than others for each of us to deal with.
                              Courage, it would seem, is nothing less than the power to overcome danger, misfortune, fear, injustice, while continuing to affirm inwardly that life with all its sorrows is good; that everything is meaningful even if in a sense beyond our understanding; and that there is always tomorrow.
                              -Dorothy Thompson

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