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    After reading a post by another member in a thread I started wondering who else feels that incomplete/complete and level of injury doesn't matter? That how hard it is on someone has nothing to do with their level of injury.

    Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know that, so it goes on flying anyways--unknown
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    #2
    incomplete/complete is a diagnosis.
    i think it matters to the doctors/nurses/therapists who treat you immediately following injury.
    i don't think it matters much in the daily course of someone's life after rehab.

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      #3
      i think it definately matters what level of function you are, but i also think it matters how you deal with it. if i was a para, it would totaly change things because i could use my hands or if i could just stand for a second i wouldn't have to use my slide board, etc, etc. i think people who say it doesn't really matter are usually very incomplete. of course there's things about sci that are common in everyone, but to say a full quad and an incomplete para are experiencing the same issues is just plain ridiculous to me. just my 2 cents

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        #4
        Every injury is different and I would not get too hung up on incomplete versus complete.

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          #5
          I think I need to be more clear with my question. I wasn't really asking about complete vs incomplete, I know the difference. I think Bridget understood what I meant. I was asking opinions of individuals whether they think quads vs paras or higher injuries vs lower injuries matter. I personally think the higher the injury the harder it probably will be and level of injury has a lot to do with how your daily course of life is.

          Like I said before someone in another post pointed out that level of injury doesn't matter. How can you honestly say/think it doesn't???

          Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know that, so it goes on flying anyways--unknown
          Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know that, so it goes on flying anyways--Mary Kay Ash

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            #6
            Are you referring to the ability to cope or quality of life issues? As far as coping, the level or degree of injury doesn't seem to matter much. There are high quad's who have adjusted better than low para's. It definitely matters when it comes to quality of life issues. Ones functional level makes all the difference in the world.

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              #7
              Originally posted by seneca:

              Are you referring to the ability to cope or quality of life issues? As far as coping, the level or degree of injury doesn't seem to matter much. There are high quad's who have adjusted better than low para's. It definitely matters when it comes to quality of life issues. Ones functional level makes all the difference in the world.
              Quality of life Sen.
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                #8
                let me start off by saying that i'm a quad, but i regained JUST enough function to be fully independent. the ability to move one thumb and first two fingers on one hand has made a huge advantage in my independence and i feel very blessed to have that. maybe level of injury it doesn't affect coping as much as it does everyday, run-of-the-mill activities. i know how it feels to attempt to pick up a burrito and have it fall everywhere and people look at you like you're mentally disabled because your wrists and hands fit the stereotypes. so yea, it does matter and i've learned not to take the abilities i DO have for granted, but also not to patronize someone who has less physical ability due to an sci less than an inch higher than mine. some struggles are mutual from quad to para to "walking" sci, other struggles are inversely proportional to physical ability.

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                  #9
                  An old proverb:

                  Paras want to be AB
                  quads want to be paras

                  Every level wants just a little more. I recall an inc c7 at rehab while I was still learning to sit up w/o fainting. Questioning, will I be able to tie my shoes again?
                  The inevitable. No, I can't tie a shoe, so I wear slip-ons. Does it matter? Only to the individual.

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                    #10
                    Complete v incomplete can be worlds apart depending on how incomplete the person is.

                    Talking quality of life - Think of how huge the advantage is if the person has B&B control, for example.

                    I dont want to stray into the AB v para v quad hierarchy debate but it's a similar concept. So I definitely agree with Bridget on this. Way too often I have felt lazy or like an underachiever when I hear what someone who has my lesion level has accomplished only to find out later they are incomplete and able to do 'naturally' what I cant.
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                      #11
                      I think it does matter, The way I understand it the higher the injury, the less function you have.
                      I am very fortunate to be a T-12, I can walk, and full use of my arm's. but even with that there are alot of thing's I can't do now that do frustrate me,No balance, feet onfire and feel like they are asleep all the time,and not being able to feel different places that are numb. But it's just a matter of getting your mindset adjusted to what you can do. plus loosing control of your bowel's and bladder, from what I have read I think that this is a common thing with about all spine injuries. Which I went through a traing center it helped a little but by no means am I cured. but just thought I would put in my thought's and say that I AM VERY LUCKY!

                      T-12 incomplete 10-3-02

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                        #12
                        The main difference to me when it comes to injury levels are the points between high quadriplegic and low quadriplegic and between low quadriplegic and paraplegic. These two points roughly coincide with how dependent you are on others. As a low quad I can feed myself and do some basic tasks so at least I'm not dependent on someone else 24 hours a day. However, I still need someone to help me get in or out of bed, dressed/undressed, and for bowels and bladder care. If I had my hands then I could be totally independent. Sure there are still bowel and bladder issues and accidents but at least then I could do them by myself and clean myself up when necessary. For me that would also be a critical improvement in terms of self-worth and depression issues.

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                          #13
                          Okay, it was me who said that...and I wasn't talking about quality of life issues. I was talking about mentally...acceptance, more than anything. How hard it is to just say, "Okay, this is how it is," and suck it up and deal with it. Sen's right...adjustment is what I was referring to.

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                          • #14
                            Not to belittle paras, but being completely stripped of your independence leaves a sense of worthlessness that can be very hard to deal with.

                            People deal with things differently. I have come to realize just how self-centered most people are, including myself. But, I listen when people bitch and try not to judge. Instead of saying "walk a mile in my shoes," I'd like to say "sit a day in my chair."

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                              #15
                              I guess the main point I was trying to make is that adjustment is difficult for all of us, regardless of level. I wasn't trying to belittle anybody either, and I hope I didn't come across that way. I just know I've seen quads who are (or at least seem) a whole lot more adjusted than I am, in less time, and here I am, still trying to deal with it in a lot of ways even after 6.5 years. Adjustment is difficult no matter what your level is. I guess that's all I was really trying to say. Apologies if I offended anybody.

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