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  • #16
    lass,

    I did not intend to start an argument with you or Angela. Your mature response says a lot about you. A little defensive are we?

    Yes, my mother would be proud if I could walk instead of using a power chair.

    As for your other scenarios - go ahead and start the threads if you wish. I said nothing relating who is more deserving of parking spots, sneering, status, or pity. If you are implying that my post eluded to those scenarios, you are sorely mistaken.

    Finally, I stand by my statement. I would give anything to have the option of walking. As far as your comment regarding transfers, do you think I enjoy relying on others for transfers if I could do them myself? I would much rather stick my own finger up my asshole than rely on an aide to do it. Perhaps you should ask your friend/boyfriend the same questions. Your ignorance astounds me.

    [This message was edited by cjo on 05-30-03 at 07:06 PM.]

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      #17
      Gosh, we are not the enemy! When we get better, none of us will park in the freaking HC spots! Angela, I'm a lurching quad myself. It takes a lot of power to get anywhere. But I know it's better than how I started out-quadriplegia does suck.


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        #18
        Parking in a van designated spot when you dont need room to drop a ramp is just plain rude. No offense, but they are there for a reason, just 'parking lot vulture' around till something else suitable appears, everyone else does it. You didnt park in the wheelchair spots before your disability did you?

        And on an other note, now that I have the opportunity to notice stuff like this, what is with the 400 lb heifer that gets handicap parking privilages, easy solution...stop eating more than your body burns...what a disabilty! And I love the people with a little limp or some other obviously minor ailment getting the handicapped parking privilages, geeze, you think that the extra 200 feet of walking they save by parking in the hc spots will really help during the 1/2 mile or so stroll they will take while visiting the mall, eh? Anyway, off my soapbox for now,

        Andy

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          #19
          I think that people with severe walking impairments need the close handicap spots more than a power chair user or a manual chair user like myself who can push across a parking lot quickly and easily. My mom had a stroke a few years ago and now walks super slow with a cane and ankle brace, which also takes a lot of effort/energy for her...she definitely needs the closer parking more than someone who gets around well in a wheelchair. But handicap parking is first come first serve, if you have a placard you have the right to park there whether its van accessible or not, I don't think it's rude for someone not driving a van to park there if that's the only kind of handicap spot unoccupied. I drive a car so I need room to open my door all the way to get my chair out...I usually only park in handicap spots when there is no other places where I think I won't get blocked in when trying to leave. I wouldn't mind seeing people start putting the van accessible and wider handicap spots way at the end of the parking lots, but I doubt that will ever happen as I doubt the majority of wheelchair users would go for that.

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            #20
            cjo, read the quotes I posted. How can you say it is fun for Angela? Your being a quad does not negate what she has to go through. The fact that she uses more of her energy getting to the door of where she is going does not negate what you go through to get there. What on earth do I have to be defensive about? Your mother being proud if you could walk makes no more sense than if she is ashamed that you can't walk. It was luck, or fate, that paralyzed you, not a choice you made. As far as maturity of answers, instead of putting yourself in Angela's place, (empathizing) you focused on yourself.

            Asking my bf the questions gets me these responses.....If he had a vehicle, he'd park at the end of the lot so he'd have room for the van, and use his powerchair to get where he's going. (Now, he uses the bus or his chair to get where he goes.) He doesn't care how anyone was injured- it all sucks. He's glad he had 18 years of being AB, but if all he knew was being handicapped, he probably wouldn't miss AB as much. Paras don't have it made, but he'd rather be one than a quad. He'd rather be the incomplete quad that he is tho than a complete para. (He can feel my touch all the way down to his toes, tho he can't tell he's scraped his foot in the pool.) He just laughed when I asked about his aide doing all the work.

            And just what is it I'm ignorant of?

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              #21
              GET A GRIP PEOPLE !!!!!

              What do you get out of bashing each other?


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                #22
                JT - Agreed with your last post.

                Lass, Cjo - paralysis in all its shapes, forms, ages and function is different for each one of us. None more right or more wrong, fair on unfair. We're all getting by the best we know how.

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                • #23
                  I got attacked because I said it would me more fun to have the option of walking versus not walking. I stand by that statement. While it may not be fun for Angela, life would be a lot more fun for me if I could walk, tiresome as it may be.

                  My ignorance statement came from you saying that quads may have it easier because they don't have to transfer themselves. Perhaps I'm the ignorant one - if there are quads out there that feel this way. I know, for myself, anything I can do for myself is a major accomplishment, not something I'd rather let others do for me.

                  Angela asked a question. I answered it. I think maybe we need an 'empathizing' forum.

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                    #24
                    Im tired of seeing all these fat asses "walking" to go shop! They can do something about their so called "disabilty". All these doctors are giving out disabled license's like its candy. In my opinion if you can walk to shop then you dont need a handicap spot! My uncle got his leg blown off in Vietnam and he dont even have a placard cuz he says he dont need it! Sorry if I offended any over weight people, i'll trade their fat for my injury, then they can definately use the disabled parking spot.

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                    • #25
                      WeedMyLips, I think you're going too far with your statements. Overweight people are one thing, but you were very broad in what you wrote.

                      There are many many instances of people who can walk who are in need of handicapped spaces. As long as there is a spot for my van where I can get out without having to worry about getting blocked in, I'm satisfied.

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                        #26
                        Great - another forum. Funny cjo.

                        Kort - you're right about the docs handing out placards 'like candy'. I always wonder about what the 'requirements' are for both patient and doc to receive/issue a placard?

                        And are they consistent state to state?

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                        • #27
                          Phebus - I'm sure I would never be asked to moderate such a forum. I get confused too, but I think kort is now weed hopper instead of WeedMyLips.

                          I knew of a girl that had a handicapped placard when she was 8 months pregnant. That is candy.

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                            #28
                            cjo, thx for the clarification.

                            Apologies to the 'weeds'.

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                              #29
                              JT~

                              You summed that up very nicely. I agree with you completely. It's making sure there's room to open the car door all the way that's important for us.
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Vicki:

                                Parking in a van designated spot when you dont need room to drop a ramp is just plain rude. No offense, but they are there for a reason, just 'parking lot vulture' around till something else suitable appears, everyone else does it. You didnt park in the wheelchair spots before your disability did you?

                                And on an other note, now that I have the opportunity to notice stuff like this, what is with the 400 lb heifer that gets handicap parking privilages, easy solution...stop eating more than your body burns...what a disabilty! And I love the people with a little limp or some other obviously minor ailment getting the handicapped parking privilages, geeze, you think that the extra 200 feet of walking they save by parking in the hc spots will really help during the 1/2 mile or so stroll they will take while visiting the mall, eh? Anyway, off my soapbox for now,

                                Andy
                                I agree with your thoughts.

                                I guess you can't please everyone though. I would not mind parking my van further away from the door because I am in an electric wheelchair, however I do not think that it is fair to individuals who have to manually push their chair.

                                -Lewis
                                C5 injury with partial C6 function on left.

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