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    God's Role in SCI

    Since my recent SCI injury, I have been told by numerous AB folks that "God has a plan for you", or "God has a reason for everything". I have recently began to get pissed at this philosophy and have been telling people God doesn't "pick" people for tragedy, it just happens. If in fact this were the case, I would have to question my faith. Don't mean to vent, just tired of hearing this scenario.

    #2
    I agree...that drives me nuts...I once read a book written by an injured woman who felt that she was chosen to partake in jesus' suffering or something..ugh! Oh well I guess whatever helps you through it.

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      #3
      Yes, I agree with you schmeky. I had much the same experience as you. One person told me God must have had a reason for putting me in this wheelchair. I think these people are mostly ignorant clods who don't know what else to say. Somehow, I think they believe what they say offers comfort. But those kinds of comments anger me, not comfort me.

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        #4
        Tara, I wonder if that book wasn't written by Joni Tadi Erickson, a quadriplegic who paints fabulous pictures with her mouth. While I respect her, I disagree completely with her theology. I have read a couple of her books. The latest one I told my daughter to burn.

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          #5
          The other saying that goes hand in hand is 'God will never give you more than you can handle'. Ha!

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          Tough times don't last - tough people do.
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            #6
            If God hadn't stuck his upraised middle finger right in the path of my beautiful racing dive, I wouldn't be in this condition right now. I could say that, but I don't - shit happens, and it happened to me. No rhyme, no reason.
            Alan

            Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

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              #7
              God's reason...

              Well...

              I would never say that God has a reason for anything...although He has a reason for EVERYTHING...and that's why He's God...

              There are better choices of words to offer comfort...

              More like "I want to help, what can I do?"

              I know that God's mind and His ways can't always be understood. If we could all understand God all the time, we would all be named God.

              If we all thought and and acted alike, life would be boring...and uneventful. The sameness would drive us nuts. That's why there are differences in this world. To bring people closer...by having them care about what happens to each other.

              Don't try to second guess God. It won't work. Just realize that He cares about you and loves you...

              Yes, I am AB, but with a birth defect of the hip. And yes, I have questioned why I am not beautiful like Miss America. Why I have this limp. Why I can't exercise and run and jump and keep up with everybody else. And yes, I think God had a plan when He made me this way. But...I don't dwell on what God's reasons are...I am way too busy trying to be glad and satisfied with who I am...and trying to be a friend when I can.

              Let God explain why...I can't tell you why!

              Teena

              And you are so right...God doesn't pick people for tragedy! Things happen. Think of who you are or who I am compared to somebody like Christopher Reeve. I don't have an army of media following my every move just because on some days I have to take more than 2 advil to keep my hip from the chronic pain...

              But...I am sure that Christopher Reeve gets plumb tired of having a camera follow him around on days that he might just want to stay in bed with the covers over his head....betcha he has bad/down days too!)...

              It's a fact of life...bad things happen to all people...not just criminals...but get this clear...sickness is not a punishment...or a judgement sentence...neither are accidents. Accidents are what they are...accidents.

              That's my opinion...

              Thanks for reading!

              Teena

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                #8
                flame away, but make sure you know your facts.

                it takes more than a simple thought about God being who we want Him to be. the Lord is holy... we aren't. we live in a fallen world, a world in which we were born into as imperfect, non-holy beings due to the original sin... hence the whole reason for Jesus - so we can approach & be in the presence of a holy God, let alone spend eternity with Him.

                the Lord is a loving god; however He is also just. #1, the Lord does not cause things like sci to happen... He may allow them, but does not make them occur. #2, He does not will us to live lives of pain... why suffering exists, i cannot fully explain.

                i do know that the Lord is jealous... what's this mean? He is jealous of us... He does love us, and anything we put before Him is idolatry, which is not acceptable to the One who is holy. am i saying that God permits sci to happen because we put things before Him? maybe... but maybe not. i presume it depends on the situation. we are created in God's image to glorify Him... were we who are sci'd created to be sci'd? no - if we lived in a perfect world sci wouldn't exist. does your life fully glorify God in all you do? i know mine doesn't... my true excuse is that i'm human and sinful.

                we can strive for perfection but we'll never attain the "status" of being holy like God. that's where Jesus comes into the picture. out of pure Love and obedience, Jesus came to earth for one reason: to glorify His Father, God. by taking our sinfulness upon Himself, a door has been opened for us to humbly approach the Lord. even with sci we can do this.

                i know you're wondering, b/c i do too... the Bible talks about healing, especially as it was part of Jesus' compassionate ministry. does healing occur today? i can honestly say YES. i've seen it happen... nothing psycological, nothing fake, nothing like tv preachers that make it a production. a close friend of mine experienced instantaneous healing of guillian barre. yes, it's a condition that has a high recovery percentage, but it takes much time. her recovery took minutes. i personally have experienced healing after prayer... pains immediately gone, constant muscle tension immediately ceased & relaxed (related to kidney infection)... true, i have not been cured of sci, but i believe it can be done.

                i think people are arrogant for accusing others of not being healed because of a lack of faith. who are they to judge? that's not even scriptural.

                the Lord's timing is perfect, as is His plan for our lives. we don't know His plan b/c He wants us to rely on Him. He does not reveal His timing & i can't understand it; however, i believe God is sovereign... He can do anything He wants with whomever He wants anytime He wants, and anywhere He wants.

                you may wonder... "i've prayed for God to heal me, & nothing happened" -- well, question your motives. yes, question your faith, & question what you devote your time to. don't question if God is real or not. i can attest that He is. believe that He is sovereign.

                where's your hope?

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                i know this post will stir up some controversy, so again, flame away, but make sure you know your facts & can back them up.

                ~scott

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                  #9
                  Well said Scott

                  A good book to read about this kind of thing is "when Bad things happen to good people" It was written by a Rabbi whos son died at a very young age who was from the town next door to where I grew up. Check it out at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...lance&n=507846

                  "Life is about how you
                  respond to not only the
                  challenges you're dealt but
                  the challenges you seek...If
                  you have no goals, no
                  mountains to climb, your
                  soul dies".~Liz Fordred
                  "Life is about how you
                  respond to not only the
                  challenges you're dealt but
                  the challenges you seek...If
                  you have no goals, no
                  mountains to climb, your
                  soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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                    #10
                    It's interesting--

                    Here we are in the wealthy west, wondering how to respond to people who want us to be happy . . . I think that's why they say this kind of stuff, to be honest. If we're happy, then they can feel not so guilty about us. So, we should all just take these nasty old rotten lemons and make some damn lemonade, because God has a plan.

                    The problem with this logic is, well, does God really have a plan that includes all those stick-thin babies in Africa (and elsewhere) who starve to death every single day? Is God trying to teach them something? Is God using them to teach their parents something? Is God using them to teach the rest of us something? I mean, if we're supposed to be bravely acting out God's wishes for us, what the holy hell are those blameless little kids supposed to be doing?

                    Sorry, but it's nonsense upon nonsense. And I'm speaking as a Christian--just not as a stupid one. Jesus was all about shaking up the power structure, all about hanging with the poorest, dirtiest, nastiest, people, all about not letting injustice be the ruling idea.

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                      #11
                      I totally agree with all of you. This could however turn into a nasty religious debate, as most topics like these usually do. Does anyone possibly think that we should start a religious forum so that people can freely debate about religion? I am not trying to start any arguments or want to get flamed. I just don't want this thread to turn into a huge flaming war because everyone has such different beliefs on religion. Lets face it, we have some hardcore people who don't believe in God (not a bad thing, to each their own)and don't appreciate topics that talk about the lord. We also have some hardcore christians, and catholics, people off all different religions; so of course they are not going to agree with everyone elses opinion. I know some people hate that part that they have on NM. I personally don't like to talk on this forum about deep religious topics, and have never been on NM's religious forum. I'm just making a suggestion, and of course open to any opinions and ideas that anyone might have.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jmublueduck:


                        ... snip ...

                        i know this post will stir up some controversy, so again, flame away, but make sure you know your facts & can back them up.

                        ~scott
                        Scott, know your facts? Is this what God intends for us? Flame wars?

                        Objective standards that are publically verifiable are unavailable to us, and this has always been the case. Nonetheless we humans have stumbled along just fine without them, relying instead on our traditions and disciplines, some of which stretch far back through the ages. Read Pascal or Kierkegaard for examples of Christians who understood this.

                        Curtis, years ago I read the book by Rabbi Kushner you describe. I don't recall it being full of blather, rather I felt it to be an eminently reasonable treatment of a tremendously difficult subject, perhaps the most difficult one there is.

                        Shit happens, and God is there with us in the shit .. God knows a lot about shit. As I was laying there in the snow, knowing I had broken my neck, there was God. At that moment, I probably came as close to the mystery of the Crucifixion as I ever will.

                        - Bruce

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                          #13
                          It bugs me too Schmeky, but what are you gonna do? I think what bugs me the most is that I just sit there and smile. When I am feeling good and my spiritual nougat is smooth and creamy without the hard chunks of judgment I try to think of this;

                          "This is what you shall do: Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency."

                          Walt Whitman
                          "If you repeat it often enough and loudly enough, it becomes true,"

                          Noam Chomsky

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                            #14
                            "god has a plan"

                            I just tell them that any god who would sentence me to this living hell to satisfy his/her/its own personal agenda is hardly a god worthy of my admiration or respect. That usually shuts them up.
                            "The only true currency in this bankrupt world...is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." - Almost Famous

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by StarlightAngel:

                              I just tell them that any god who would sentence me to this living hell to satisfy his/her/its own personal agenda is hardly a god worthy of my admiration or respect. That usually shuts them up.
                              My response too. Any God who would put anyone in this situation, is not a God I want to know. OTOH, as Rabbi Krushner points out, very intelligently and thoughtfully IMO, God created this world and the physical laws then gave us free choice. Along with free choice comes responsibility for our actions. I may not have consciously chose to crash my Jeep, but I did make a series of descisions with that being the result. And God can't go breaking the laws of physics, when a big hunk of metal speeds off the road at 90 km/hr, it will crash and people inside may get hurt. I guess if I was religious, I could take comfort from a relationship with God.

                              As someone posted... Religion is or people afraid of hell, spirituality is for those who've been there. Sums it up nicely in my personal opinion.
                              Emily, C-8 sensory incomplete mom to a 8 year old and a preschooler. TEN! years post.

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