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    Death with dignity, do we qualify?

    Being serious, and everybody’s situation is different.
    I read that you must be terminally ill with the prognosis of six months or less. However, if you’ve been fighting quadriplegia for 20 years and just totally had enough and tired of living and fighting life‘s indignities, is it possible to get into assisted suicide program?

    #2
    Not in Oregon. I have known a couple of people from church go this way. But not until they were terminal. And most people that apply here die before they use the option.

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      #3
      Life is a terminal condition, so everyone should qualify, IMO.
      "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

      "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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        #4
        I’ve fought to survive this sci hell for 20yrs and just don’t have it in me anymore. This life is an aberration in hell. I don’t want to put myself in front of the truck, ride into a pool, and my stove is electric. What options does a quad have, sitting out in the hot sun?

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          #5
          If only I didn’t remember how much i enjoyed my life and how rewarding work can be before my accident or how much I suffer physical pain now maybe I could stick this out , but i do. It’s unbearable.
          Last edited by Tim C.; 29 Aug 2021, 7:06 PM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Tim C. View Post
            [...]
            I don’t want to put myself in front of the truck, ride into a pool, and my stove is electric. What options does a quad have, sitting out in the hot sun?
            I'm sorry you're suffering so badly, Tim, but we can't, as a community, "assist" this at all. Especially not with specifics about options for doing it. It is still a crime in the US to assist anyone, or attempt, to kill oneself.

            I know you're at the end of your rope, and you're probably just ranting, and THAT'S OK, but pls seriously consider reaching out to these folks:
            National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255
            Doing so couldn't possibly make things worse, as bad as they seem right now.

            😟
            "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

            "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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              #7
              When I was first injured I was actively suicidal for a long time. Having only 2 options made me feel trapped. Either I live a life I despise, or I leave a bloody mess behind. Neither of them seemed like real options. I reached out to LifeCircle in Beil-Benken, Switzerland. They’re ran by a lovely doctor, named Erika Preisig. Her father was sick and suffering late in life, and she started LifeCircle, so no one would have to watch a loved one suffer like that.

              They accepted my application, and I became a member. They accept spinal injuries, depending on the severity. At the time I had a stage 4 sacral wound, and bad kidney/bladder stones. I wanted no part of living, but finally had a third option. They will end your life, via barbiturate IV, IF you really want it. It takes time, money, commitment and follow through of the one suffering, but they will do it. For me, having this “sensible” option allowed me time to not feel trapped, and after a while, finally realize that I could live a life I was proud of and happy with from a wheelchair. I’m still in contact with them a few times a year, and will always be grateful for their help.

              Please don’t do anything silly, Tim. Our luck, we’d survive it and just end up worse. If you’re seriously looking into it, investigate it. Sometimes staring the void right in its face, is enough to give us the moxie to carry on. Like Oddity said, we’re all dying soon enough. And time flies by so fast, I hope you realize that there’s no point in rushing it. Much love from Cali, hang in there

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                #8
                Originally posted by Oddity View Post

                I'm sorry you're suffering so badly, Tim, but we can't, as a community, "assist" this at all. Especially not with specifics about options for doing it. It is still a crime in the US to assist anyone, or attempt, to kill oneself.

                I know you're at the end of your rope, and you're probably just ranting, and THAT'S OK, but pls seriously consider reaching out to these folks:
                National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255
                Doing so couldn't possibly make things worse, as bad as they seem right now.

                😟


                Oddity

                Of course it’s not something you can assist with, I appreciate your position as Dr Wise envisioned CC to be a platform of positivity and resource for sharing mutual knowledge. experiences, and a cadre of camaraderie.

                You’re a good person and aside from your political leanings you’re great at what you do. Unfortunately, this is the dark end of living with spinal cord injury. Death is the inescapable endgame that all mankind can’t avoid, so yes, while life in and of itself is a terminal condition and for those of us high quads face many more issues

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Denied2016 View Post
                  When I was first injured I was actively suicidal for a long time. Having only 2 options made me feel trapped. Either I live a life I despise, or I leave a bloody mess behind. Neither of them seemed like real options. I reached out to LifeCircle in Beil-Benken, Switzerland. They’re ran by a lovely doctor, named Erika Preisig. Her father was sick and suffering late in life, and she started LifeCircle, so no one would have to watch a loved one suffer like that.

                  They accepted my application, and I became a member. They accept spinal injuries, depending on the severity. At the time I had a stage 4 sacral wound, and bad kidney/bladder stones. I wanted no part of living, but finally had a third option. They will end your life, via barbiturate IV, IF you really want it. It takes time, money, commitment and follow through of the one suffering, but they will do it. For me, having this “sensible” option allowed me time to not feel trapped, and after a while, finally realize that I could live a life I was proud of and happy with from a wheelchair. I’m still in contact with them a few times a year, and will always be grateful for their help.

                  Please don’t do anything silly, Tim. Our luck, we’d survive it and just end up worse. If you’re seriously looking into it, investigate it. Sometimes staring the void right in its face, is enough to give us the moxie to carry on. Like Oddity said, we’re all dying soon enough. And time flies by so fast, I hope you realize that there’s no point in rushing it. Much love from Cali, hang in there
                  thank you for your post, I first thought it be a another sanctimonious don’t give up type comment, but I think you really do understand true feeling of despair. It goes far beyond the injury itself it’s the constant stress of not wanting to disappoint my family. worrying about money, worrying about care, constant panic attacks about being left in the bed, wondering what the end game is going to be. After so much of your life you’re living out of your own control is my death gonna be the same way? I’m sick to my stomach every day from the physical pain of digestion. you can’t plan to do anything, you Cannot find relief, you hope each day is your last, or at least your sleep doesn’t end, Most days you can’t leave your house
                  I appreciate the information tournament, but how in the world would I get to Switzerland? My stomach always feels so crappy I wouldn’t even be able to take the car trip to an airport let alone plane ride so many hours. do they make House calls in the USA?

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                  • Denied2016
                    Denied2016 commented
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                    It was hard to share, and tough to look back at those feelings as a para. I have no idea of the struggle that comes with losing arm function. One of the first responses I got from Dr. Preisig was, “but you can still use your arms, right?”…at the time it angered me, because having my arms wasn’t good enough. Now I can realize just how lucky the difference between a T and C injury is.

                    I’m independent, can lift weights. Can drive. It’s still a daily struggle, but I’m grateful everyday that it isn’t worse. I remember posting with you back in those dark times. It’s hard to look back at now. And breaks my heart that you’re still struggling. Try to keep swingin 💙

                  #10
                  Note to Jim Bennett, you’ve been the best administrator and you fully have our respect and Wise’s confidence on the intentional positivity of the site,
                  Please consider carefully about a forum that we can freely discuss such matters in a reasonable way with out undo censure

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                    #11
                    Denied 2016, your first time it was great then you blew it, what does a para have to bitch about? Yes life was not like it was before but you’ve got so much going that you shouldn’t even think about dark things. I know it’s all relative, but your life is easy to adapt to compared to a high quad. If I had the opportunity to meet you I would first hug you then pop you in the nose with the back of my flopping C-4 arm

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                    • Denied2016
                      Denied2016 commented
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                      Haha! I’ll be sure and condescendingly speak like I know all that you’re going thru too.

                      I will call you out in a year or two. Have a friend up in Manchester, NH that I plan on driving out to visit. New Jersey is close enough and on the way from California. Don’t threaten me with a good time 😊

                    #12
                    Just worn down from pain. discomfort and depression. Not to begrudge anyone claiming their lives are full post sci, i tried my level best. I reentered my rehab hospital no less than 5x for pain as one of lead doctors let me to believe that as a quad we are facing enough issues without having to suffer constant pain. That set me off in a 15 year quest to find relief. I learned a lot about myself only the most important thing is that “pain management” means learn to accept managing the pain as it doesn’t go on holiday but for hours on my best days. Those days are rare. Tired of being a recluse, tired of praying for caregivers to arrive and watching the world go by.

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                      #13
                      Just to sleep and wake up without pain would mean i made it heaven?
                      Last edited by Tim C.; 3 Sep 2021, 8:22 PM. Reason: typo

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                        #14
                        i recently read this;
                        ”None of us knows what death will bring. You may find yourself reincarnated and continuing to suffer, or in hell, suffering, or without any consciousness at all and thus in a state immune to claims that it is either better or worse, or in some incomprehensible state of consciousness beyond anything that your current primitive apparatus of brain, nervous system and senses enables you to visualize. You do not know that you will not come back as a rock, or a dog, or a lizard with hazy consciousness of having once been, believe it or not, a human, magisterial and supreme among earthly beings. You may find yourself, as I do when I dream of suicide, in a state of unremitting remorse for having, in a moment's impetuousness, given up your life.”


                        By CARY TENNIS

                        PUBLISHED MARCH 6, 2006 11:25AM (EST)

                        Anyone worry there’s an afterlife?
                        Could it be worse?
                        Last edited by Tim C.; 3 Sep 2021, 8:49 PM.

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                          #15
                          Originally posted by Tim C. View Post
                          i recently read this;
                          ”None of us knows what death will bring. You may find yourself reincarnated and continuing to suffer, or in hell, suffering, or without any consciousness at all and thus in a state immune to claims that it is either better or worse, or in some incomprehensible state of consciousness beyond anything that your current primitive apparatus of brain, nervous system and senses enables you to visualize. You do not know that you will not come back as a rock, or a dog, or a lizard with hazy consciousness of having once been, believe it or not, a human, magisterial and supreme among earthly beings. You may find yourself, as I do when I dream of suicide, in a state of unremitting remorse for having, in a moment's impetuousness, given up your life.”


                          By CARY TENNIS

                          PUBLISHED MARCH 6, 2006 11:25AM (EST)

                          Anyone worry there’s an afterlife?
                          Could it be worse?
                          Tim, I've long held the personal belief that there is simply no easy way out of my predicament, however I've defined it over the years, including pre-SCI. What I fear and expect is that my problems, fears, or unsolved dilemmas will simply be carried forward, like stains on my soul.

                          Here is a true story from a friend who has always been acutely tuned in to the spirit world. When we in our 30s C. made a practice of going in to her astral body and escorting recently 'released' souls to whatever their next level was. I did not need to 'believe' her stories- I knew they were her truth and she has never wavered from her truth in the 40 years I've known her.

                          She had a young cousin of 17 who was afraid of many things, depressed, and committed suicide. As a relative, she looked for him with deep concern. She found him in the 'spirit world' "running" with all his might away from angels who had come to try and ease his journey. He thought they were crystal spiders. These particular angels may, indeed, have resembled crystal spiders but you see, it was his fearful interpretation he carried with him through death and into the next stage that made him refuse their help.

                          I've always found that story a perfect metaphor for what I inwardly suspect is true.



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