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    First timer using marijuana

    Okay, not exactly the first time, (29 years ago I took a couple hits while drunk but I don't remember much).
    Anyhow, a friend of mine from a marijuana friendly state is sending me a gift of some edibles.

    What I am wondering is will/can it effect my medications of Baclofen and Elavil?
    Is there anything else that I need to consider medically speaking before I partake in an evening of getting fucked up?

    #2
    marijuana is a pretty benign drug, it's not gonna make you stop breathing or anything like that, but edibles are dangerous stuff.

    Obviously I would never use or condone using a substance that is illegal where I currently live, but "people I've known" have had pretty intense experiences (usually not in a good way) with edibles.

    After eating marijuana it can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours to kick in fully... so you've got no idea how high you're going to be until hours later. Despite knowing this many, many people figure they "might as well" eat some more after forty five minutes or so and end up getting way, way too high. I've heard from people that after SCI the experience of eating marijuana is even more delayed... maybe because of delayed GI transit? (Just guesstimating here).

    Baclofen and amitriptyline (Elavil) are both a little sedating, so is marijuana, so you might get more sleepy than usual. Some people on here have reported that spasms get better, but I've heard even more people say they get way worse, so that might go either way for you.

    My suggestion would be to try a small, tiny amount at first. Just do like 1/2 of the minimum recommended dose and no matter what don't take any extra that first day... just plan on not getting high. Then if you do okay increase the dose slowly (like next day take a little more, but again never take more than you preplanned or you risk head-spinning, debilitating, unpleasant highness for 12 hours or more).

    Not sure what kind of edibles you have or how it can be divided, but for example if you have brownies, say and you take 1/2 a brownie and barely get high, a whole one might really fuck you up. It's so hard to judge the strength of edibles because you use such rough increments to adjust the dose. To me it seems kind of like drinking alcohol, but you have to decide ahead of time to drink 3 beers or six beers and either way your actual dose might be off by 2 or 3 beers because you can't measure very accurately AND you have to drink all those beers 30 minutes to 3 hours before you feel ANY effect, so you might end up making yourself sick.

    Good luck with your adventure, Scott.

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      #3
      What Funklab said. I'll add one more thing. It is a body high, meaning it will reduce pain and spasms. But if you take too much it can be dissociative, meaning you may not be able to move. You may want to take it at bedtime and transfer to the bed as soon as you feel it kicking in (1 hour?) so you won't have to transfer later. I prefer it at bedtime regardless. Keep a friend in your presence the first time in case of an adverse reaction. Be prepared for some vivid dreams.

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        #4
        I've been doing bed rest for nearly 5 years, so that's taken care of. I don't want adverse reactions but I do want a vacation from my life, even if for a couple hours.

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          #5
          Edibles are unpredictable. I recommend you eat only 1/4 of the recommended amount, to start. I ate half a marijuana candy (the size of a Reese's peanut butter cup) awhile back and had a nightmarish experience with 8 hours of racing heartbeat, high blood pressure and sweating. Start slow, looking for the lowest effective dose. My spasticity is much lessened since I started taking CBD oil, and it doesn't take much.
          MS with cervical and thoracic cord lesions

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            #6
            Originally posted by Scott C4/5 View Post
            I've been doing bed rest for nearly 5 years, so that's taken care of. I don't want adverse reactions but I do want a vacation from my life, even if for a couple hours.
            The only adverse reaction I am aware of is paranoia and stupid things people do because of it. But don't take too much and you shouldn't have that problem.

            On the other hand, you need a large amount to experience the dissociative part, which may be the "vacation" you are longing.

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              #7
              I have tried Edibles twice. I ate half of a gummy bear and didn't feel much so I decided to eat a whole one a few hours later. About one hour later when I asked my wife how did we get into Target we decided that is it for Edibles.
              Last edited by HACKNSACK44; 27 Mar 2019, 2:00 AM.

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                #8
                Forget the edibles. Either take a hit or two of good Cannnibis or just a drop of CBD oil. I'm not a fan of edibles because of the reasons others have stated. I have a friend who makes medical CBD syringes. I'll use just a drop on the tongue and I'm good. I don't take any if I plan on driving. If I want to take a "vacation", I use a "two hit" bubbler of either Sativa or Indica depending if I want to address pain or just want to feel a bit mellow.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
                  Forget the edibles. Either take a hit or two of good Cannnibis or just a drop of CBD oil. I'm not a fan of edibles because of the reasons others have stated. I have a friend who makes medical CBD syringes. I'll use just a drop on the tongue and I'm good. I don't take any if I plan on driving. If I want to take a "vacation", I use a "two hit" bubbler of either Sativa or Indica depending if I want to address pain or just want to feel a bit mellow.
                  I thought CBD is therapeutic without the high.

                  Edibles are fine if you know how much to eat. Problem is everyone makes them differently so you don't know. That's why I make my own.

                  A third alternative is to buy the butter and take a drop at a time like you use CBD. Or you can add a drop of it to plain butter used to butter your toast. Many alternatives. The trick is control the dose.
                  Last edited by August West; 27 Mar 2019, 2:25 AM.

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                    #10
                    Not sure what he makes then August. I thought it was CBD, will have to check out. It's more of a body stone than head stone.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by August West View Post
                      I thought CBD is therapeutic without the high.
                      The CBD oil that I take contains no THC. Marijuana is legal where I live, and I checked with a local dispensary because someone stated in an earlier thread that there was a difference between cannabis oil (containing THC) and CBD oil. The dispensary people told me that CBD oil by definition does not contain significant amounts of THC, and does not need to in order to be therapeutic. I get my CBD oil from hempworx.com (because it's organically grown, tested by an outside laboratory and extracted by a safe process). It only takes 7 drops twice a day to cut my dystonia to very manageable levels. I wouldn't go near edible marijuana again, after the experience I had - and thanks to CBD oil, I won't have to. CBD oil does not produce any noticeable side effects for me.
                      MS with cervical and thoracic cord lesions

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                        #12
                        Interestingly, CVS drug stores will begin selling CBD oil products (creams, sprays, roll ons) in 800 stores in 8 states. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...states-n986016

                        High end retailer Barney's is opening exclusive cannabis boutiques in its stores. They won't be selling cannabis products. Instead, they will be selling accessories, i.e., pipes to bongs, rigs to grinders etc: https://www.latimes.com/health/la-he...325-story.html
                        Last edited by gjnl; 27 Mar 2019, 10:50 AM.

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                          #13
                          It is unfortunate that you live in an illegal state, Scott, as I find smoking a much more dependable way to just ease away from my body/mind for awhile. On the other hand, smoking is higher risk for anyone whose respiratory system is weakened by bedrest. Lungs matter and the tar (oh, excuse me, resin) in marijuana is thick and gooey.

                          I make my own edible to help with sleep but agree with others it is difficult to manage dosage. I mix my cleaned herb in tahini because i happen to love tahini and it is easy. Yet if an edible is good tasting it is harder to resist a bit more. How long does it last? unpredictable.

                          In my learning process I have had many nights in which I suffered low BP episodes when I needed to get up to cath. Sitting on the toilet with one's head spinning while feeling queasy is not fun. I think I have it mastered, finally, but it was a long process distorted by the longing for a good night's rest. added to which to much weed leaves me with a tired feeling hangover, not feeling rested. I remember that, too, from 49 years ago. It was a problem with hashish and today's marijuana is strong enough to compete with yesterday's hash.

                          Your situation is frustrating because you lack legal access. You may need to go at this differently.

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                            #14
                            There are peer-reviewed research papers demonstrating that the effects of CBD exhibit a bell-curve response when the CBD is extracted from the male plant (hemp), whereas the bell curve response does not appear when CBD is extracted from the female plant (marijuana). The bell response means the effect increases with increasing does only at first and then the effect drops with increasing dose. By eliminating the bell response the effects increase with increasing dose as they should.

                            Speculation is that it is the terpenes composition that affect the efficacy of CBD. Without the full spectrum of terpenes, CBD just isn't very effective. The good news is that you can buy marijuana-derived CBD that has zero THC.

                            Personally, I get the most nerve pain relief from a CBD-to-THC ratio of 1:1 (the natural ratio is 1:1000 or more so 1:1 is very low THC by comparison).

                            The effect of this on nerve pain is what I call a distractant - my pain level doesn't decrease, but my ability to ignore it increases. As such it is effective pain relief.
                            T3 complete since Sept 2015.

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                              #15
                              I forgot to mention that this is coming from a dispensary in Washington state.

                              I hate smoke and don't have a vaping device so that's why I chose edibles. My state will be voting again soon and hopefully it'll pass. If I like it and it becomes legal here, perhaps I'll get a vape device.

                              Thanks for the feedback.

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