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    Just returned from a cruise. Had a great time. I noticed that a lot of folks seem to be using the handicapped bathroom that are ablebodied and I am confused by this. Are they supposed to be using it? I found I had to wait quite frequently for it to be available for use. Am finding this happening in other places as well.
    I refuse to tip toe through life, only to arrive safely at death.

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    Just a couple of comments: In my opinion, if a non disabled person enters the bathroom and all the stalls are filled except the handicapped one, I don't see any reason they should not go use it.
    However, if a wheeler, for instance, enters the bathroom and ALL stalls are full and there's a line of people waiting, the wheeler should go straight to the handicapped stall and sit outside the door for it to become vacant. If not, wheeler could be waiting double time. I have used this tactic often. The rules about 'waiting your turn' do not apply in this situation.

    What do you think?

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    • #3
      exactly triumph! in almost every public bathroom i use someone is in the handicapped one almost all the time. mostly because and don't ask me why but they love to put the baby changing stations in them. and then leave them down instead of up where they are supposed to be.
      T6 Incomplete due to a Spinal cord infarction July 2009

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      • #4
        Triumph, 100% right. That's the only way it can work. And it makes the line o faster when the AB uses the empty HP stall.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by triumph View Post
          Just a couple of comments: In my opinion, if a non disabled person enters the bathroom and all the stalls are filled except the handicapped one, I don't see any reason they should not go use it.
          However, if a wheeler, for instance, enters the bathroom and ALL stalls are full and there's a line of people waiting, the wheeler should go straight to the handicapped stall and sit outside the door for it to become vacant. If not, wheeler could be waiting double time. I have used this tactic often. The rules about 'waiting your turn' do not apply in this situation.

          What do you think?
          I dunno, you could make the same case for an open handicap parking spot. If no one is using it, and it's all that is left, why not? Or the few accessible seats at a movie theater. Etc, etc. Since many of us can't hold it, waiting for an AB isn't reasonable, IMO.
          "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

          "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

          "Even what those with the greatest reputation for knowing it all claim to understand and defend are but opinions..." -Heraclitus, Fragments

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Oddity View Post
            I dunno, you could make the same case for an open handicap parking spot. If no one is using it, and it's all that is left, why not? Or the few accessible seats at a movie theater. Etc, etc. Since many of us can't hold it, waiting for an AB isn't reasonable, IMO.
            If they don't have a card or license plate I call the cops. Am so tired of seeing AB take advantage of that.
            Art

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oddity View Post
              I dunno, you could make the same case for an open handicap parking spot. If no one is using it, and it's all that is left, why not? Or the few accessible seats at a movie theater. Etc, etc. Since many of us can't hold it, waiting for an AB isn't reasonable, IMO.
              The difference is that no-one uses a bathroom stall for long at all, I'm not going to tell anyone off for using it, not like I do with people taking up a handicapped parking space, even if they do try to tell me theyre just popping into the store. I argue with them and try to make them feel guilty until they drive off.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Art454 View Post
                If they don't have a card or license plate I call the cops. Am so tired of seeing AB take advantage of that.
                i too have done that more than once
                T6 Incomplete due to a Spinal cord infarction July 2009

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tarabev View Post
                  The difference is that no-one uses a bathroom stall for long at all, I'm not going to tell anyone off for using it, not like I do with people taking up a handicapped parking space, even if they do try to tell me theyre just popping into the store. I argue with them and try to make them feel guilty until they drive off.
                  Yeah, and the parking lot is also a safety issue for wheelchair users. Still, the more we enable the mentality that it's OK for ABs to use facilities clearly marked for folks needing accessibility, just because it's convenient, then the more it'll happen, and the more it happens, the worse off we are.

                  As someone that can't hold his pee for more than 90 seconds,or so, waiting for an AB (ESPECIALLY when there are plenty of other open stalls) is not something I appreciate. Since, as you say, stalls aren't in use for long (although ABs in the men stalls are usually dropping a deuce, which can take a while for some folks) that is a also a great reason they don't need to rush to the one accessible stall.

                  I'd prefer one fewer stall and take that space saved to make them all wide.
                  "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                  "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

                  "Even what those with the greatest reputation for knowing it all claim to understand and defend are but opinions..." -Heraclitus, Fragments

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                  • #10
                    I have to agree with Triumph and his view's on the matter. I guess that would be the best approach by going directly to the front of the line to the handicapped stall. I can't believe someone would object if they were not handicapped. (I wouldn't want to do that to someone with a child though). I do wish I had an appropiate response to someone who is using the stall when there are others available but, choose's to use the handicapped one making me wait.
                    Last edited by bigtop1; 12-20-2016, 06:58 PM. Reason: additional thought
                    I refuse to tip toe through life, only to arrive safely at death.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oddity View Post
                      I dunno, you could make the same case for an open handicap parking spot. If no one is using it, and it's all that is left, why not? Or the few accessible seats at a movie theater. Etc, etc. Since many of us can't hold it, waiting for an AB isn't reasonable, IMO.
                      IMO taking the accessible seats in a movie theater if "it's all that's left and no one is using it" is completely reasonable. Like sitting on the bench seat that folds up to make a wheelchair space on the bus. It's fine because you can move if somebody shows up who needs it. You're not an ass until you don't move.

                      Parking spaces are different because an AB has no idea if one of us is looking for a parking spot while their in McDonalds eating their double big mac.

                      Bathrooms are a bit trickier. I mean think about it if everyone in a busy bathroom is AB there naturally forms two lines (at least in the Men's room), those who need to take a shit and those who are waiting for a urinal. If there's more than one (or especially more than two) non-HC bathroom stalls, then I feel like you're not skipping anyone in line at all. There are three lines now, one for the urinals, one for the toilets and one for the HC stall. Obviously you wouldn't skip someone else in a wheelchair, you're just not waiting in the same line as everyone else.

                      If there's only one toilet (like a few bathrooms at work), and someone is clearly waiting for it, I will wait in line behind them like a normal human being. I don't get to skip the line just because I roll around in a titanium exoskeleton (although a lot of the time they will let me go ahead).

                      But in the end it's pretty douchey when someone uses the HC stall in a completely empty bathroom because they know they are going the be there for a while taking a dump (which I guess is why they picked an empty bathroom) and want the extra 6 square feet of floor space so they don't feel so claustrophobic. Working in a hospital I run into this almost every day, I assume because 50% of people in the hospital got there at 4 am after chugging starbucks on the way and have the coffee shits every day in the mid morning...

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                      • #12
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzjbXgaVOk

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                        • #13
                          If possible to get past the AB's in line...we go right to the handicapped stall and wait there.
                          I was floored with a bathroom I recently saw at the Minneapolis airport. Big room airport bathroom with lots of stalls and at the very end set away from all the other ones was a large handicapped restroom. Very posh....it had the toilet and an easy to access sink, soap and towels all contained in this room within a room in the bathroom. It ALSO has a door button for entry/exit. Somehow setting it back with very clear handicapped signage and the door buttons made people think twice to use it. Indeed there was a line of women to use the stalls but no ABs were using the cleverly designed handicapped bathroom and there was plenty of room to wheel past everyone. Kudos to whoever designed this! I wish I took pictures to post...next time!

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                          • #14
                            Thanks Funklab. Your video skit gave me a chuckle.
                            I refuse to tip toe through life, only to arrive safely at death.

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                            • #15
                              So many ways of looking at the same problem. I just don't take offense or blast a person, when someone is in the HP space. AND I usually do not have much time to wait after my first "inkling" due to prostate cancer treatment and my SCI it is a double whammy. BUT we all have to go when we have to go, let it go at that.

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