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  • #16
    In general, I agree with triumph. But I did find a situation in which the handicapped toilet should be just for handicapped. In 2008, my wife and I went to Burning Man. It's a big, week long, camp in the desert, event. It was advertised that the handicapped toilets would be locked and handicapped people would be provided a key. But they didn't get around to actualizing that good idea. So, the toilets were a line of portapotties with a handicapped one on each end and about 25 smaller porties between. Since anyone could use anyone, it seemed that most people went in the first one available, which was the handicapped porti. Of course, once a hundred people had gone through, it was a mess, and then people would open the door, see the mess, and move on to another one. Of course, if you are in a wheelchair, you can't move on to one that is cleaner. I had to have my wife take in a broom, sweep out the pee, and do a little clean up before I could even get in to use it. So, in these types of situations, only the handicapped should be able to use the handicapped toilet.
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    • #17
      For me it's at the hockey games. Sign on the wall next to the elevator says for disabled use only. Now I know that isn't realistic with all of the lazy ass people who can't take the stairs or the moving escalators. But if I roll in and there is a line I should be able to go straight to the front and everyone else can file in behind me. But that never happens.

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      • #18
        That must be that Arena in Tampa where the hockey team plays your talking about. I recently went to a Concert there and it was a mess with too few elevators and a/b's using them without regard for disabled people who could not take the stairs, it took me about an hour to get up to the concert which had already started and I got there an hour early too. Craziest thing I've ever seen.
        "Life is about how you
        respond to not only the
        challenges you're dealt but
        the challenges you seek...If
        you have no goals, no
        mountains to climb, your
        soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Curt Leatherbee View Post
          That must be that Arena in Tampa where the hockey team plays your talking about. I recently went to a Concert there and it was a mess with too few elevators and a/b's using them without regard for disabled people who could not take the stairs, it took me about an hour to get up to the concert which had already started and I got there an hour early too. Craziest thing I've ever seen.
          Same thing here at our AAA team's ballpark. 2 tiny elevators, 3-4 people max, crammed in, and crazy wait times with ABs in line to avoid a few flights of stairs. Takes me forever to get out of there, and never once has anyone with a mobility impairment been shown to the head of the line in all my times going there.
          "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

          "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

          "Even what those with the greatest reputation for knowing it all claim to understand and defend are but opinions..." -Heraclitus, Fragments

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Curt Leatherbee View Post
            That must be that Arena in Tampa where the hockey team plays your talking about. I recently went to a Concert there and it was a mess with too few elevators and a/b's using them without regard for disabled people who could not take the stairs, it took me about an hour to get up to the concert which had already started and I got there an hour early too. Craziest thing I've ever seen.
            Yes sir! That's the place. We are season ticket holders and attend as many games as possible. What they need are the elevators IKEA uses. Those things are huge!
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Oddity View Post
              Same thing here at our AAA team's ballpark. 2 tiny elevators, 3-4 people max, crammed in, and crazy wait times with ABs in line to avoid a few flights of stairs. Takes me forever to get out of there, and never once has anyone with a mobility impairment been shown to the head of the line in all my times going there.
              It's very disappointing! But we don't let that stop us. Life is to short. Enjoy it!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HACKNSACK44 View Post
                It's very disappointing! But we don't let that stop us. Life is to short. Enjoy it!
                Exactly!
                "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

                "Even what those with the greatest reputation for knowing it all claim to understand and defend are but opinions..." -Heraclitus, Fragments

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                • #23
                  When an elevator or space is designated HP only, then I feel it is OK to be rude to those who are apparently AB's. It's a lot of fun to try to get into a tiny single purpose elevator with a bunch of people trying to make room for me in my chair. I can get rather clumsy with my controls (accidently/on purpose) in such a situation.

                  This happened to me in Savannah GA. a few years back there are steps going down to the Riverfront and elevators for HP folks. It was quite a struggle to get in the elevator, but I was fairly new using the chair back then. Those were not marked HP only that I can recall.

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                  • #24
                    Waiting in a line of walkees for an elevator sounds odd. Why wouldn't you go to the head of the line? And folks with heart ailments, etc. who must take an elevator should be up to the front of the line with you. Come on, folks, this is about respect, IMHO!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by triumph View Post
                      Waiting in a line of walkees for an elevator sounds odd. Why wouldn't you go to the head of the line? And folks with heart ailments, etc. who must take an elevator should be up to the front of the line with you. Come on, folks, this is about respect, IMHO!
                      Unfortunately people don't respect other people. They don't care that them being a lazy ass interferes with my normal life. So screw them. Carma is a bitch!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by triumph View Post
                        Waiting in a line of walkees for an elevator sounds odd. Why wouldn't you go to the head of the line? And folks with heart ailments, etc. who must take an elevator should be up to the front of the line with you. Come on, folks, this is about respect, IMHO!
                        Don't they have as much a right to use it as me? I don't know why any of them are in line. An elevator is typically not reserved, or prioritized, just for handicapped people. I see lots of strollers in elevators, too, for example. I think I'm special, sure, but I try not to force anyone else to acknowledge that. . Butting to the front of a public elevator line on account of a wheelchair is a bit too diva for me.
                        "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                        "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

                        "Even what those with the greatest reputation for knowing it all claim to understand and defend are but opinions..." -Heraclitus, Fragments

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Oddity View Post
                          Don't they have as much a right to use it as me? I don't know why any of them are in line. An elevator is typically not reserved, or prioritized, just for handicapped people. I see lots of strollers in elevators, too, for example. I think I'm special, sure, but I try not to force anyone else to acknowledge that. . Butting to the front of a public elevator line on account of a wheelchair is a bit too diva for me.
                          Is it possible these lone elevators that folks flock to are actually there because of the ADA (Americans With Disabilities Act)? It seems a venue would be required to provide disabled customers with accessible access to their site, not just stairs.
                          Yes, common sense would have strollers, etc. in them too.
                          Yes, non-disabled have the right to be lazy and take an elevator. You don't know why they are in line? On the other hand, they know why you are in line.

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