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  • Is Tesla's Autopilot feature dangerous?

    Is Tesla's Autopilot feature dangerous?

    Questions abound in the wake of the first death of a driver of a Tesla car with its self-driving features engaged.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which has begun a preliminary evaluation into the fatal May 7 crash of a 2015 Model S electric car, said its probe centers on the car's 'Autopilot' feature.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...fety/86593334/
    ^^(A)^^

  • #2
    There will be deaths. Most likely far fewer than otherwise. Death by vehicle is epidemic. Worse than guns.
    "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

    "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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    • #3
      Witness: Driver watched 'Harry Potter' as self-driving car crashed

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/n...-ago/86592458/

      Really Harry Potter not even porn!
      ^^(A)^^

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      • #4
        Insurance liability is gonna love this. Who is liable when a self-driving car's program malfunctions? The software company or the driver?
        "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

        "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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        • #5
          I have self driving features in my Benz and it's save me a few times, I think these features are great, you still need to pay attention just in case, but I'd say these features save many more lives than kill people. I know when I drive from Florida to up north it is a much less fatiquing drive and I feel safer. I hope this does not hurt the progress of autonomous driving cars, it is also a good feature for 18 wheeler trucks and can reduce many accidents especially if a driver becomes over tired.
          "Life is about how you
          respond to not only the
          challenges you're dealt but
          the challenges you seek...If
          you have no goals, no
          mountains to climb, your
          soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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          • #6
            I drive my Father-in-Law's Tesla from time to time and I absolutely love it. Can't wait to inherit it. . It's one of the new ones with the self-driving hardware, but without the software. Very much looking forward to that.
            "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

            "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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            • #7
              it's very new technology. Prone to bugs. I might buy an automated car in 10 years when the technology is a little better thought out, maybe. I like driving, so I doubt it.
              Everybody wants freedom.... They just don't want it for everybody else...

              A college professor, a man I now consider my dad, once told me...
              "The minute you let someone decide what you can and cannot do, your life is no longer yours." A truer word has never been spoken in my opinion.


              Professor Bill Johnston
              (1930- )

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              • #8
                Hope they will give it chance by learning how and why it happened.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mutley View Post
                  it's very new technology. Prone to bugs. I might buy an automated car in 10 years when the technology is a little better thought out, maybe. I like driving, so I doubt it.

                  That's the rub for me, too. I really enjoy driving. Always have but since my SCI it has become even more so. Cars are like giant turbo charged wheelchairs, and represent a freedom of mobility otherwise lost. The act of driving itself is very satisfying to me!
                  "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                  "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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                  • #10
                    Tesla's Autopilot is, according to the company, a beta test. That is the final stage of testing to work out any bugs. That said, should Tesla or any other auto manufacturer be allowed to release beta testing features on the pubic roads? Drivers are made aware that some of these features are in beta test, and they must sign an agreement with Tesla that they will constantly monitor these beta test features and be ready to take control at anytime. But there are no features on board to monitor the drivers' as they drive these cars. Their is some "black box" data on the Tesla that can tell how fast a vehicle was going and when the brakes were applied, but there is nothing that monitors the eye direction of the driver which would give an indication of what the driver is/was doing.

                    Probably all of us, at one time or another, has participated in beta testing software on our computers. This kind of beta test is pretty benign, the most that can happen is that you lose time and data. But, allowing car companies to have the general pubic beta test autopilot on pubic roads can lead to property damage and severe injury or death to drivers and passengers. Other companies, Google for instance, are testing autonomous driving cars on public roadways, but the drivers are screened and and all functions of the car and driver are monitored during test drives.

                    The National Highway Traffic Safety Agency should be on top of this and have regulations in place that apply to this kind beta testing.

                    All the best,
                    GJ
                    Last edited by gjnl; 07-02-2016, 01:29 PM.

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                    • #11
                      If the driver was supposed to be watching and ready to intervene, but failed to do so, I would fault the driver.
                      Tom

                      "Blessed are the pessimists, for they hath made backups." Exasperated 20:12

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                      • #12
                        Tom and all,

                        Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these gadget's supposed to be able to replace the driver's requirement for their undivided operating attention? There is really no other practical reason for even conceiving this "thing"

                        Now just consider I am 100% wrong and it is simply placed there to over ride the driver's decisions. As a driver acclimates themselves to such interference or the ability to completely relinquish control, they will become more and more dependent on this "gadget" and when it fails, an accident WILL occur. Every man made gadget will fail eventually. That is a given. I am hardly against the modern advances of technology, but we must not lose our independence from​ such technology

                        For most of my driving life I held a CDL and it was a requirement of my job. These gadget's are being proposed for over the road use in large vehicles. That is a very, very scary thought.

                        It may be more prudent to use electronics to override a driver, than a driver overriding a gadget! The latter seemingly the direction we are headed in currently.

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                        • #13
                          Bob what you are saying is the ultimate goal but these are early stages. Look at traffic lights. They are perfect I think. I am sure when it was implemented there might have been some glitches.

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                          • #14
                            Just consider a guy, any guy sitting behind the wheel having nothing to do with driving a double trailer on the highway at posted speeds, listening to music daydreaming. Safety is a perception, and we all assume the guy who is supposed to be in control, "IS" actually paying attention. How do you expect to keep this dude awake? We have a 12 foot lane to travel in, on a 4 lane, 12x12 + 12x12 plus some shoulders (maybe) do you think we are at all ready for this technology? Some regulations have to be put in place to prepare for stuff like this and every segment of our law must be examined before the experimentation can go much further. Thousands of lives will be placed in jeopardy every day if in fact this technology is expedited.

                            I do believe this stuff is being expedited for huge financial reasons, and regulatory unpreparedness to handle it.
                            Last edited by Bob Sullivan; 07-03-2016, 01:39 PM.

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                            • #15
                              At the moment yes. Pilots now only do landing and take off in general and the rest is on autopilot but I am sure they are alert for nay trouble that may arise. The drivers should be the same way.

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