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    Like most males in chairs our test levels drop. My family dr agrees my levels are low for my age but won't start me on test for side effects I won't live long enough to see. I got my hands on liquid test and taking small amounts once a week and love how I feel between mood, energy, sex drive and gaining muscle. My source has dried up now and I'm wondering what to do. I can all ready feel loss of energy and over all drive. Anyone out there done the same, how should I handle it? Live in Canada so it's not like I can shop around till I find a DR willing to help.
    Mark 9:23 - All things are possible for those who believe.

    #2
    Why can't you ask for a referral to a urologist http://www.healthcommunities.com/uri...rologist.shtml or an endrocrinologist http://www.hormone.org/contact-a-hea...ndocrinologist ?
    The "g" in gp means general doesn't it? Ask for a specialist to make the decision. I got the same run around years ago when I started T. Now there are new federal regs and I have to be re evaluated every year. Like you I definetly notice my mood and energy when my level drops.
    I have had periodic paralysis all my life. I lost my ability to walk in 2011 beginning with a spinal block, which was used for a hip fracture caused by periodic paralysis.

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      #3
      get a new doc that understands we need to keep the machine running. my doc keeps me on the high side, 7-800. I feel best there.
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        #4
        I had my Dr. check mt T and he said I was fine for my age but I started taking Andro400 Max. 2 pills a day and it appears to help. I do notice that after about a month the effects are not as great so I go off it for a few weeks then start taking it again. If you shop around you can find a one month supply 60 pills for around $20.00
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          #5
          Thanks for the info guys. I heard injection are better than pills? Anyone take both to compare the effects. Why would a urologist prescribe test? I never would have asked him but maybe. I go to see my pain specialist next week and see how he feels about it.
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            #6
            they wont give pills, to hard on liver. may start with gel, but mostly injection.

            Originally posted by dewie27 View Post
            Thanks for the info guys. I heard injection are better than pills? Anyone take both to compare the effects. Why would a urologist prescribe test? I never would have asked him but maybe. I go to see my pain specialist next week and see how he feels about it.
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              #7
              I take injections weekly of 200 mg Depo. I too keep my levels high like fuentejps. I feel great at higher levels of 700 and above. Shots are much cheaper too.

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                #8
                Yes, your urologist is the doctor you should be talking to about testosterone. Talk to him.... not your pain doctor.

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                  #9
                  One possibility that I've found; Horny Goat Weed. From what I've read, its mode of action is to raise testosterone levels. The problem I've had taking this...it gives you more erections...and seriously will make intermittent cath. more difficult. I've tried it twice, and two time I've ended up having a catheter wrap over while putting it in. Two times is a charm. That was the root cause

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                    #10
                    On thing to think about: I met a gentlemen very early on when I was hurt that was trying to get his wife pregnant. He made a comment to me..."the community thought it was from sitting too much (the low sperm counts) but that's not it, studies have shown." I don't know enough AP to say definitively, but I would suspect the two conditions (low testosterone and low sperm levels) correlate to each other.

                    What do I always hear weight lifters say that want to build? "To get more testosterone in your body, you have to lift big weights with your large muscles (back, chest, quads.)" "Less cardio."

                    How much smaller are my arms than my leg muscles are...10x? how much more blood does my heart have to do to get the same result.... so my cardio output is significantly higher using my arms than my legs to do the same work. At the same time I'm not using my legs nearly as much. I wonder if there's ever been a study of 30 paraplegic men who walked in braces daily for 6 months, comparing their testosterone levels to 30 people who did not. 30 ? because statistical significant usually begins at 30 samples.

                    Anyway, you may want to consider alternatives to taking a supplement or an injection.

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                      #11
                      I asked my "GP" back 6 or 7 years ago if testosterone would work to give my more energy and at least some "get go" and we tried it. We even used a patch that he planted under the skin of my butt, the upper cheeks. Now I have very little sensation in many places below my waist line, so I have no clue if this might be uncomfortable for a person with somewhat normal peripheral sensation. But along about that time I had an artery blockage in my heart and received two stents. I really do not know, even today, if in fact this therapy did any good, probably marginal at best. But with the ticker complaining, we ceased this treatment. Maybe with a few less issues in play back then I might have felt a lot better.

                      If y'all read what I wrote in the Pain Forum you would know I recently (Dec) had cervical spine surgery, that and getting OFF the pain killers, plus the results from the surgery "I" think have done more for my feeling more like my old self than anything. But, don't think I am feeling like a 19 year old colt, My legs still pain me terribly, I cannot walk on crutches much more than 20 feet, absolutely no stairs. Prostate seed treatment, the bends and the consequent effects on my pecker, numbness and the leg neuropathy that brought are still in play. Considering that I feel one hell of a lot better, and the testosterone may have been a more effective therapy.

                      These testosterone treatments have gained a bad reputation for adversely affecting your heart, so take everything into consideration when deciding on a therapy, with a bad reputation.

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                        #12
                        I was involved with a dozen plus guys at a three year study at Kessler institute regarding Testosterone replacement. I can tell you from experience it changed my life as well as many in the study for the better. We had only positive results. I have been on weekly injections for over five years now. I have lost body fat, maintained weight, increased muscle, lost nerve pain , gained energy and endurance as well as feel like a million dollars . I have no side effects and feel great. Too me I will stay on it forever. The papers were published on the results in the medical journal. You can contact Chris Cirnigliario at Kessler for any information or questions.
                        The reason "T" has a bad name is because of abuse with weight lifters. Sure if your levels are ten times the normal ranges your playing with fire. Everyone is different but as a T-10 complete is has giving me hope again. I have been drug free for over two years. That alone was a Blessing not to live with a drugged up body and mind all the time. I had major nerve pain and was on at least six meds , multiple doses each day. It is 90% gone after a year of taken injections.

                        As I said we are all different in how it effects us, but I know many Sci guys on this and its proven positive. Many doctors don't know anything about "T" injections. Buy the book Testosterone Syndrome on Amazon. It will amaze you and explains everything about hormones and "T". I advise all Sci individuals to talk with an Endocrinologist verses a doctor any-day. They understand what "T" is all about. Wish everyone well.

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                          #13
                          agree 100%.

                          Originally posted by JoeMonte View Post
                          I was involved with a dozen plus guys at a three year study at Kessler institute regarding Testosterone replacement. I can tell you from experience it changed my life as well as many in the study for the better. We had only positive results. I have been on weekly injections for over five years now. I have lost body fat, maintained weight, increased muscle, lost nerve pain , gained energy and endurance as well as feel like a million dollars . I have no side effects and feel great. Too me I will stay on it forever. The papers were published on the results in the medical journal. You can contact Chris Cirnigliario at Kessler for any information or questions.
                          The reason "T" has a bad name is because of abuse with weight lifters. Sure if your levels are ten times the normal ranges your playing with fire. Everyone is different but as a T-10 complete is has giving me hope again. I have been drug free for over two years. That alone was a Blessing not to live with a drugged up body and mind all the time. I had major nerve pain and was on at least six meds , multiple doses each day. It is 90% gone after a year of taken injections.

                          As I said we are all different in how it effects us, but I know many Sci guys on this and its proven positive. Many doctors don't know anything about "T" injections. Buy the book Testosterone Syndrome on Amazon. It will amaze you and explains everything about hormones and "T". I advise all Sci individuals to talk with an Endocrinologist verses a doctor any-day. They understand what "T" is all about. Wish everyone well.
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                          c4/5 inc funtioning c6. 28 yrs post.
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                            #14
                            As a by the wat question, do y'all think that you would have better results at a younger age? Just a thought.

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                              #15
                              I had mine tested by my regular doctor but havent heard back about results yet. When I asked my urologist her only concern was me wanting kids in a few years. She said it will lower my sperm count enough I may not be able to have kids. I asked about cycling it on and off so I still produce testosterone on my own and she said she will look into it. Have any of you cycled it?
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