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    #16
    Originally posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
    Well now... I am an ancient hippie (I was a weekend hippie for a spell), an anti-corporate type, and I have not shopped in a Walmart for years. Yet all my life, I have been a supporter of both the YMCA and YWCA, and now the Y. lol Has anybody even suggested it for your town. You might give it a try. And if they run you out of town, it sounds like it might be a good thing for you. lol
    lol - point taken. Guess I shouldn't make such gross generalizations. I did some checking and found that there is technically a YMCA presence in the area...they do various things for kids and the schools, but they don't have a building. Just the organization doing various community events.

    Thanks for the advice, hope I didn't offend you or any of your ancient hippie comrads.

    Edit: OK, they DO have a building, but still, no weight room or pool or anything. They have a basketball court and a playground outside.

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      #17
      I think you should only have to pay half that if you're only able to get to half the gym. Don't know if they would go for that? I use the Physiotherapy equipment when I go to physio. I wish you lived closer I have a great rowing machine to donate to someone but live in Toronto..just thinking of you and hope you can get some things set up for home. I found lots of exercise items at the shopping channel like pulleys and that you could do at home. Take care.

      I also go swimming at a rehab pool Children's Variety Village..
      ________________________________________

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        #18
        Well. . . What happened? Was there any accommodation offered by the gym?
        stephen@bike-on.com

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          #19
          Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
          Well. . . What happened? Was there any accommodation offered by the gym?
          Sorry I haven't gotten back to this thread with an update.
          Quick version: Nothing, so far.

          I hemmed and hawed for a week or two before finally sending her an email, just requesting that we revisit the issue, saying I just didn't understand her hang-up, is there any way we could get one of the rowers moved to the first floor. After nearly a week of silence, she peddled this story about how one of the pro rowers actually tracked down the 2nd machine herself, paid out of pocket and hauled it to the gym. The owner paid her back, of course, so I'm not clear on the relevance. She said she was in a no-win situation, where whatever move she made she would have someone angry at her.
          Clearly she had already decided that the angry person was going to be me, so I replied with the details of the ADA law that you had provided. Told her if anyone wanted to be angry, they could be angry at the government, not at her. I've been really delicate with the emails, trying to keep from being the bad guy - you get more flies with honey, I hear.
          Anyways, That was last Thursday, and I have not yet heard a response. If I don't here from her by Friday, I'm gonna forward our entire correspondance to the attorney general. She's making it difficult for me to be nice about it.

          Thanks,
          -Taziar

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            #20
            I have a feeling the two rowers didn't say "miss manager we only want our rowers on the SECOND floor". How about moving 2 pieces of equipment upstairs that are available downstairs, and then moving BOTH rowers downstairs so the two can still train together.
            When I went to college (the year before my SCI) I joined a 24 hour fitness in Orange County (Newport Beach to be exact) that was 2 story and didn't have an elevator. To make it worse, they didn't even have weight equipment on the first floor, the lower level was all cardio. I already had issues climbing stairs b/c of my back problems from Scoliosis, so going to the gym was always a task getting up the huge flight of stairs to the second floor.
            I did love this gym for their equipment though. They had these awesome weight machines where you pushed a button to add or decrease weight and it was all regulated by air pressure. You never had to lift weight plates or pull pins to change the weight of your exercise, and you weren't limited to 5 pound increments. They also had a wonderful indoor pool and spa. I once went to the gym at 2am to use the pool b/c I couldn't sleep. It was wonderful.
            I have looked for a gym post injury with those button operated weight machines, but have not found them anywhere else. Wherever I go now has to be fully accessible (either have an elevator or machines that I can use) and have an indoor heated pool and spa. I love to swim, so that would be a deal breaker not to have.
            Good luck working with that gym manager. She sounds very closed minded. Hopefully you can talk some sense into her before having to get "law enforcement" involved.
            ~Mandy~
            SCI as a result of spinal surgery
            TiLite Aero Z!!!

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              #21
              Originally posted by CurvySAT05 View Post
              I have a feeling the two rowers didn't say "miss manager we only want our rowers on the SECOND floor". How about moving 2 pieces of equipment upstairs that are available downstairs, and then moving BOTH rowers downstairs so the two can still train together.
              When I went to college (the year before my SCI) I joined a 24 hour fitness in Orange County (Newport Beach to be exact) that was 2 story and didn't have an elevator. To make it worse, they didn't even have weight equipment on the first floor, the lower level was all cardio. I already had issues climbing stairs b/c of my back problems from Scoliosis, so going to the gym was always a task getting up the huge flight of stairs to the second floor.
              I did love this gym for their equipment though. They had these awesome weight machines where you pushed a button to add or decrease weight and it was all regulated by air pressure. You never had to lift weight plates or pull pins to change the weight of your exercise, and you weren't limited to 5 pound increments. They also had a wonderful indoor pool and spa. I once went to the gym at 2am to use the pool b/c I couldn't sleep. It was wonderful.
              I have looked for a gym post injury with those button operated weight machines, but have not found them anywhere else. Wherever I go now has to be fully accessible (either have an elevator or machines that I can use) and have an indoor heated pool and spa. I love to swim, so that would be a deal breaker not to have.
              Good luck working with that gym manager. She sounds very closed minded. Hopefully you can talk some sense into her before having to get "law enforcement" involved.
              Thanks Mandy. Moving both pieces to the first floor - that's the obvious solution that I suggested to her. She said that she had moved a stair-stepper or something from one spot over to another in the past, and people were 'in an uproar' over that, so she really didn't want to move anything. This was before I sent the link to the ADA regulation.
              I'm really not interested in how many people might be mad at her, though - that is something she will have to deal with. Chances are good that she's just going to trash-talk me when people come to her about why things are moved, but so be it. Things will be moved, and I work out with my headphones on. They can talk all they like.
              -Taziar

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                #22
                Originally posted by taziar View Post
                Thanks Mandy. Moving both pieces to the first floor - that's the obvious solution that I suggested to her. She said that she had moved a stair-stepper or something from one spot over to another in the past, and people were 'in an uproar' over that, so she really didn't want to move anything. This was before I sent the link to the ADA regulation.
                I'm really not interested in how many people might be mad at her, though - that is something she will have to deal with. Chances are good that she's just going to trash-talk me when people come to her about why things are moved, but so be it. Things will be moved, and I work out with my headphones on. They can talk all they like.
                -Taziar
                The club owner can take the high road by posting a sign that says "We are proud to be an accessible facility!!" I'd like to see club members grouse after reading that. The barrier to accommodation here is attitudinal, not logistical.
                stephen@bike-on.com

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
                  The club owner can take the high road by posting a sign that says "We are proud to be an accessible facility!!" I'd like to see club members grouse after reading that. The barrier to accommodation here is attitudinal, not logistical.
                  Totally agree. I'll suggest that very thing to her. I was really hoping this would go smoother, but at this point it's like talking to a wall. Or maybe this guy:

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by taziar View Post
                    Totally agree. I'll suggest that very thing to her. I was really hoping this would go smoother, but at this point it's like talking to a wall. Or maybe this guy:
                    Seriously, the owner can turn this into a positive and be in the vanguard of inclusiveness in your community. A local newspaper could even be invited to write a story to showcase how inclusiveness is not only the right thing to do, but promotes business as well. An ounce of integrity and public mindedness can go a long way. She needs to see how this is going to enhance her business, but if she's too obtuse to recognize this, then you can invite a reporter to showcase the damage of being non-inclusive and discriminatory.

                    So what's it gonna be, lady? Lemons or lemonade?
                    stephen@bike-on.com

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                      #25
                      Finally looks like I got a resolution to this silly issue. After a week of silence on the email front I called the front desk a few times and mentioned that I might have to file an ADA claim. She emailed saying that a rowing machine had been made available, thanks for your patience etc etc.
                      I have not been in yet to try it out, as we had some nasty winter weather here last night, but I plan on giving it a go tomorrow morning.
                      Thanks Stephen and others for your tips and support!

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by taziar View Post
                        Finally looks like I got a resolution to this silly issue. After a week of silence on the email front I called the front desk a few times and mentioned that I might have to file an ADA claim. She emailed saying that a rowing machine had been made available, thanks for your patience etc etc.
                        I have not been in yet to try it out, as we had some nasty winter weather here last night, but I plan on giving it a go tomorrow morning.
                        Thanks Stephen and others for your tips and support!
                        Congratulations on your tenacity and convincing the gym manager to make equipment accessible to you. Enjoy your workouts.

                        All the best,
                        GJ

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                          #27
                          The owner of this gym might be the dumbest person I've ever met.

                          So, I'm sure none of you remember the whole rowing machine saga that she put me through a while back. Everything has been fine there - been rowing, getting sweaty and tired and all that. Next step, naturally, is to hit the showers.

                          There are three showers in the men's locker room. Two are standard stand-up showers, and one with grab bars, handheld shower head, shower chair, and unlike the other two, no 3" lip at the bottom preventing one from pulling up close th the shower chair for transfers.

                          Long story short, the hold for the handheld shower head broke, so you cannot hang the head on the wall and use it as a stand-up shower. This happened two weeks ago. The solution from management: Tap up a hand-written "Out of Order" sign and call it a day.

                          I tried using one of the other showers the first day - I moved the chair over and made the leap across and back safely. Gotta be honest, though - it was not easy and I was nervous about falling on that lip and breaking (another) hip or something. So, screw that - since then I've been moving the idiot sign out of the way and using the accessible and very functional shower every morning. I'm really tired of the looks I'm getting from other patrons - it feels like I'm some sort of subversive, breaking rules just to be contrary.

                          I'm not really worried about that, and I'm certainly not going to stop using the shower, but I think it's going to come down to me threatening to sue this profoundly stupid or lazy woman to get her to act. I already had a look through the ADA Guidelines link that Stephen posted earlier in the thread, but I don't see anything in relation to showers.

                          So, thoughts?

                          Thanks all,
                          Taziar

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                            #28
                            I'm not clear on what the problem is. Despite the broken hook you're still able to use the shower, correct? Are you being told not to use this "functional shower" because it is "out of order?" If that's the case, then it's more than reasonable to assume that it has to be repaired promptly. After all, if there was a legal requirement to install a "handicapped"-accessible shower, there is also a requirement to make sure that it is working.
                            stephen@bike-on.com

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
                              I'm not clear on what the problem is. Despite the broken hook you're still able to use the shower, correct? Are you being told not to use this "functional shower" because it is "out of order?"
                              Yup, that's the problem exactly. The owner is saying not to use it because of the broken bracket, but is also showing no signs of repairing it. Fortunately, she is not on site early in the morning, and her employee has a brain and is not hassling me about taking down the taped up sign and using the shower every day.

                              Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
                              If that's the case, then it's more than reasonable to assume that it has to be repaired promptly. After all, if there was a legal requirement to install a "handicapped"-accessible shower, there is also a requirement to make sure that it is working.
                              I think that's the rub - it's more than reasonable, in my opinion, and in your opinion, and yet the shower still remains taped off two weeks after it initially 'broke.' I'm just not dealing with a reasonable person, here. I can't figure out if she's lazy or dumb or both, but it's absolutely exasperating dealing with her. I know that, technically, I don't really have a problem - I'm able to shower every morning, but I also am getting strange looks when people see me taking to the out of order sign. I'm used to getting strange looks, but not quite in this context, you know?

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                                #30
                                Shower fixed. Had to send a very pointed email, but it was done the next day. Man, I feel like a whiner sometimes.

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