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    #16
    Originally posted by Tiger Racing
    Accessible features are not neccessarily more expensive and will actually broaden one's market.

    C.
    A friend of mine experienced the opposite when her accessible house went on the market. The value of the house and our housing market at the time (hard to believe Vancouver had a down market!) made her target market wealthy Asians. They just don't like the stigma of a disability hanging in the air. I couldn't believe the agent but as it turned out she was right.

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      #17
      Originally posted by vgrafen
      I saw the episode (love the show) and I think you're right, Rainman. Guy's just trying to make a buck.

      There's always something implied and thus expected from plegics, that we're to 'stay in character' wherever we go and whatever we do. By that I mean, and in this instance, the guy is expected to be 'all things disabled' and have some sort of stenoscopic, singular focus: he's expected to 'represent' everybody in a chair, and is criticized when he doesn't.

      I get that treatment consistently. Simply from being seen in this chair, it's assumed I:
      1) hate Bush
      2) support stem cells
      3) am looking for a hand-out/want special treatment
      4) am bitter and resentful, "Life must be so hard, you poor thing!"
      Yeah, it is, but I'm not bitter or resentful.

      I remember a couple three years ago, after the big Clint Eastwood incident and the righteous woman suing him; I was asked on Weaver's show then HOW MANY LAWSUITS I INITIATED OVER MY ADA RIGHTS!

      I replied, "Uh, none, I think the nation's doin' a good job of making things accessible."

      The interviewer was floored. "But don't you support her lawsuit?"

      "Nah, hell, it's bogus, leave Clint alone or, better yet, go talk to him in private about whatever changes need to be made and I'm sure he'd agree. Who wants to get sued?"

      I don't recall her exact words but it was to the effect of, "I just assumed you'd be in support of any lawsuit which could help YOU PEOPLE!"

      I was gracious but the remark lingered: you people. Like we all share the same traits and beliefs. Thanks...

      Let the guy make his money without having to drag out the plegic banner.
      V

      Thanks! You said it perfectly. I get the same treatment.

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        #18
        IS the argument being made here that one should not advocate that universal design is a good idea? The connection to hating Bush and wanting handouts and being bitter is hard to follow and seems strained and irrelevant. Universal design elements need not conflict with turning a profit if common sense is employed.
        Foolish

        "We have met the enemy and he is us."-POGO.

        "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it."~Edgar Allan Poe

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          #19
          Based on what they guy said at the very end of the show, it's possible that he specifically did not want to talk about accessibility for fear of it being the focus, but it was still disappointing that the issue was never mentioned at all. At least not that I heard.

          Foolish

          That paragraph was taken from tigers post and thats what we were referring to.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Van Quad
            A friend of mine experienced the opposite when her accessible house went on the market. The value of the house and our housing market at the time (hard to believe Vancouver had a down market!) made her target market wealthy Asians. They just don't like the stigma of a disability hanging in the air.
            Whoever marketed their house did it wrong. The keywords are "universal design". The idea is to make things easier for everyone. No need to even mention disability.

            Originally posted by vgrafen
            There's always something implied and thus expected from plegics, that we're to 'stay in character' wherever we go and whatever we do. By that I mean, and in this instance, the guy is expected to be 'all things disabled' and have some sort of stenoscopic, singular focus: he's expected to 'represent' everybody in a chair, and is criticized when he doesn't.
            Oh, please. Nobody here is demanding that anyone be 'all things disabled'. Stem cells are a moral issue that has nothing to do with one's ability to function on a daily basis, but being able to move in and out and around one's environment is a fundamental issue that affects everyone, everyday. This is so basic, that I'm shocked that anyone with a disability would act like it's prejudiced or in any way a stretch to think that a quadriplegic might incorporate features that make life easier for everyone, especially when they don't cost more.

            It's my experience that many people will treat the first person they meet with a disability as somehow representative of everyone with a disability. In fact, I take that responsibility seriously and do my best to make a good first impression. I don't want to be defined by my disability, but I also don't want it to be ignored to my detriment, when acknowledging it would benefit not only me, but a great many others.

            Pull handles on cabinets instead of knobs... who here wants to argue against that?

            C.

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              #21
              We are currently trying to sell our house (in Detroit) and that is the number 1 comment back, the lookers can't see past the adaptations. We have a couple of ramps that can and will be removed, and 2 stair gliders, also that will be removed. But it IS an issue. It shouldn't be, but it is. For the sake of being politically correct or for advocating for accessiblity rights we should phrase it so that it should appeal to a wider audiance. From someone who is living in a different city with no furniture and nothing to cook in while my home is on the market, we will re-write the ad to state that all accessiblity items will be removed. Sorry, Carol, but that's the real life story. Accessible doesn't sell.
              BeeBee

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                #22
                Originally posted by BeeBee
                We are currently trying to sell our house (in Detroit) and that is the number 1 comment back, the lookers can't see past the adaptations. We have a couple of ramps that can and will be removed, and 2 stair gliders, also that will be removed. But it IS an issue. It shouldn't be, but it is. For the sake of being politically correct or for advocating for accessiblity rights we should phrase it so that it should appeal to a wider audiance. From someone who is living in a different city with no furniture and nothing to cook in while my home is on the market, we will re-write the ad to state that all accessiblity items will be removed. Sorry, Carol, but that's the real life story. Accessible doesn't sell.
                Tiger

                The truth of the matter is. We are all disciminated against. The average person don't want to deal with disability anything. Its just a turn off for most people.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by BeeBee
                  We are currently trying to sell our house (in Detroit) and that is the number 1 comment back, the lookers can't see past the adaptations. We have a couple of ramps that can and will be removed, and 2 stair gliders, also that will be removed. But it IS an issue. It shouldn't be, but it is. For the sake of being politically correct or for advocating for accessiblity rights we should phrase it so that it should appeal to a wider audiance. From someone who is living in a different city with no furniture and nothing to cook in while my home is on the market, we will re-write the ad to state that all accessiblity items will be removed. Sorry, Carol, but that's the real life story. Accessible doesn't sell.
                  Agreed...we are in the same situation with our house. We ended up taking out anything about accessibility/universal design from our listing, and in the agent's comments it says our ramp can be removed if the buyer would like. I wish universal design would help with the sale...but we have definitely experienced the opposite affect.
                  "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot nothing's going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss

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                    #24
                    Tiger, I can't believe what a poor reader you are! We're referring to the damn TV show, honey, and what the guy was actually talking about!

                    Geez, I'm stunned by how quickly you want to race into the fray. Re-read what's been said, please: the stereotype we deal with is that plegics are all of the same mindset, which we are not, clearly.

                    "It's my experience that many people will treat the first person they meet with a disability as somehow representative of everyone with a disability."

                    Uh, yeah, thanks, Tiger. You rip me then you say the same thing.

                    Go punch the cat or something equally productive; your reading skills are really slipping.
                    vgrafen

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