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  • #91
    Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
    i only drink on sat/sun not during the week.
    Thanks, that sounds good.
    MS with cervical and thoracic cord lesions

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    • #92
      read jason fungs books
      obesity code
      complete guide to fasting

      ive read both several times. our bodies work similiar to a diabetics. i think thats why IF is so effective for sci.
      also to kick start try a 36 hour fast monday and friday. weigh in saturday mornings.......
      Originally posted by Bonnette View Post
      Thanks, that sounds good.
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      • #93
        I had never heard of Jason Fung and am very glad to know about those books! My husband is diabetic and maybe he'll become interested in IF. I didn't realize that SCI works similarly to diabetes, but it makes sense and I can see IF being a longterm solution to many health problems. Thank you for pointing me in Dr. Fung's direction.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
          our bodies work similiar to a diabetics.
          How so?

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          • #95
            I'm now making progress after working my way down to 1200 calories a day. Lost about 10kg and waist has come down over 10cm which helps to keep me going. Difficult to stick to as I always have a couple of chocolate biscuits and a few squares of chocolate each day but I can't give these or my cappuccinos up.

            Cut out all bread and now on lacto free milk which might be the reason my waist has reduced. I'm still getting a 3cm+ waist difference morning to evening and the quad belly won't shift.

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            • #96
              Congratulations on your weight loss, mrb!
              MS with cervical and thoracic cord lesions

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              • #97
                great work. the belly will shrink but never go away, its our insides. for it to shrink you need the viscural fat around the organs to reduce. with 45 pd lose mine is down significantly. im happy to pm u before and after pics. ive taken progress pics from the start which i highly recommend.
                Originally posted by mrb View Post
                I'm now making progress after working my way down to 1200 calories a day. Lost about 10kg and waist has come down over 10cm which helps to keep me going. Difficult to stick to as I always have a couple of chocolate biscuits and a few squares of chocolate each day but I can't give these or my cappuccinos up.

                Cut out all bread and now on lacto free milk which might be the reason my waist has reduced. I'm still getting a 3cm+ waist difference morning to evening and the quad belly won't shift.
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                • #98
                  I have all the respect in the world for anyone here that pulls that off, mrb. I am trying to get there.
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                  • #99
                    I'm a lot more conscientious on filling my food diary in which helped a lot, what I thought was 1500 calories a day was actually more when I put the real weight of a portion in. Gradually reduced portion sizes but kept calories for the inevitable chocolate craving at 9pm. Slowly daily calories dropped until I could manage on 1200,I don't do vegetables just carbs from pasta, potatoes and some meat for protein plus sweet stuff like chocolate and chocolate biscuits. Far from ideal but having my favourite food makes it bearable, I'd soon give in if I had to change to foods I don't want to eat. For me that has been the key, no radical change in the food I eat.

                    Being C3 complete I can't exercise other than my FES bike which I use 5/6 days a week, 90 mins average session is about 50 cals or 2 squares of my favourite chocolate

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                    • Basal metabolic rate (BMR)

                      Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
                      GOTCHA. lmk how u do. imo, key is eating/drinking whatever on sat/sun. keeps my metabolism cranking.
                      on your 600 cal 24 hr IF days keep that meal clean. weigh everything. food scale is our bff
                      fuentejps,

                      What do you use to measure your BMR?

                      When your BMR rate is cracking how do you know what speed it is at? Kcal/sec? What is the units for BMR?

                      How do I determine my BMR and how do I keep it cranking?

                      Ti
                      "We must overcome difficulties rather than being overcome by difficulties."

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                      • Originally posted by titanium4motion View Post
                        fuentejps,

                        What do you use to measure your BMR?

                        When your BMR rate is cracking how do you know what speed it is at? Kcal/sec? What is the units for BMR?

                        How do I determine my BMR and how do I keep it cranking?

                        Ti
                        nothing fancy i just use a bmr calculator then deduct 25% of that number for sci then deduct 500 cals from that final number to lose. if you google bmr and sci several articles state we are roughly 18-25% lower than AB ppl are.
                        ex-
                        46 yo male
                        195
                        6'2
                        =1846 bmr
                        -25%
                        =1384 bmr w/ sci
                        -500 cals
                        =884.5 cals per day to be in deficit
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                        • Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
                          nothing fancy i just use a bmr calculator then deduct 25% of that number for sci then deduct 500 cals from that final number to lose. if you google bmr and sci several articles state we are roughly 18-25% lower than AB ppl are.
                          ex-
                          46 yo male
                          195
                          6'2
                          =1846 bmr
                          -25%
                          =1384 bmr w/ sci
                          -500 cals
                          =884.5 cals per day to be in deficit
                          There's a pubmed article from June 2018 that seems to say that BMI measurements based on height, weight, gender and age overestimate the BMI for SCI by 14-17%, depending on the type of calculation applied; but the mean difference between measurements is about 6%. So perhaps we only differ from ABs in the range of 6% (let's say10%, to be safe)? Here's the article I'm referring to: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29315167 It's possible that I misinterpreted the conclusion, of course.
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                          • Originally posted by Bonnette View Post
                            There's a pubmed article from June 2018 that seems to say that BMI measurements based on height, weight, gender and age overestimate the BMI for SCI by 14-17%, depending on the type of calculation applied; but the mean difference between measurements is about 6%. So perhaps we only differ from ABs in the range of 6% (let's say10%, to be safe)? Here's the article I'm referring to: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29315167 It's possible that I misinterpreted the conclusion, of course.
                            good read. i think most of us lean toward the less complicated online bmr calculators which would put us in the 14-17% range. i'd guess that is more for paras too. higher for quads
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                            • Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
                              good read. i think most of us lean toward the less complicated online bmr calculators which would put us in the 14-17% range. i'd guess that is more for paras too. higher for quads
                              That's a good point. I think the higher percentage of BMI deduction for SCI (followed by a subtraction of 500 for calories deficit) would be difficult for many women to sustain, on a daily basis. In my case, the online calculation for BMI (less 500 calories for weight loss) would work out to only 650 allowable calories per day - not enough to provide adequate nourishment in and of itself, but the IF regimen seems to address that problem (three days at 600 calories, two at 1000, and two eating anything one wants). I started the program today and will let you know how I do.

                              There are anecdotal reports online that women have a different response than men to IF, when it comes to blood pressure. Men's BP almost always goes down, but some women have reported BP spikes that resolve completely when IF is discontinued. There is no known medical explanation for it. Not all women experience spikes, but in the cases discussed online, IF was the only new variable the women had incorporated in their lifestyles. Many of those women were in my age group, so it might be that hormone production in the aging (well, old) female population is a matter that needs more study. I'll keep an eye on my BP.
                              Last edited by Bonnette; 08-13-2018, 02:34 PM. Reason: wording
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                              • Originally posted by bonnette View Post
                                that's a good point. I think the higher percentage of bmi deduction for sci (followed by a subtraction of 500 for calories deficit) would be difficult for many women to sustain, on a daily basis. In my case, the online calculation for bmi (less 500 calories for weight loss) would work out to only 650 allowable calories per day - not enough to provide adequate nourishment in and of itself, but the if regimen seems to address that problem (three days at 600 calories, two at 1000, and two eating anything one wants). I started the program today and will let you know how i do.

                                There are anecdotal reports online that women have a different response than men to if, when it comes to blood pressure. Men's bp almost always goes down, but some women have reported bp spikes that resolve completely when if is discontinued. There is no known medical explanation for it. Not all women experience spikes, but in the cases discussed online, if was the only new variable the women had incorporated in their lifestyles. Many of those women were in my age group, so it might be that hormone production in the aging (well, old) female population is a matter that needs more study. I'll keep an eye on my bp.
                                see what works best for you. Beauty of if is flexibility.
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