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  • #31
    Originally posted by scaligirl:

    Krysi,

    In the US, you can get into a community college with a GED, but not a four year university. You can transfer from a community college to a four year with the appropriate classes and credits.

    Some homeschooling programs (like the one I work with) works toward a high school diploma. We are accredited, and the diploma is equivalent to a traditional high school.

    I'm not sure how things work in Canada though.
    uhmmm, homeschoolers are being actively recruited by major colleges......SAT test scores that put other school methods to shame!



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    • #32
      Diamond,

      It is like any other decision we make for our children, there is a need for continuous evaluation, and honesty in assessing if the program is working or not. I did not opt to homeschool,good decision for us. My good friend did opt to ..for all six kids, number one and two now into public high school, one because she needed higher math and wanted lab sciences, and the other for sports interests. The scholarships are lining up for number one, and we expect that with her test scores and GPA she will have her pick.

      I also know a homeschooler who never attended public or private school, who applied and wrote an essay, had several interviews and is now enjoying a free ride through the ivy league.

      On the other hand, I also know some sad ones, who did nothing. Absolutely nothing.

      What it IMPORTANT FOR YOU...is to be honest and evaluate as you go. Being "FOR" or "AGAINST" in this situation is not in the best interests of your daughter. Either way I do not envy you. Middle school is rough and the kids can be demons. Best only for your daughter..that is the focus.

      Don't let the past keep a chokehold on your future.
      Thanks Max.
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      • #33
        parents tend to forget that it's good for kids to have the independance of going to school and fending for themselves semisupervised among their peers. if your kid grows up around these people he/she will be able to better deal with them as adults. there are reasons why homeschool kids get beat up, it's because they are too dependant on their parents. 'mammas boys'! you all talk about your homeschool grop socialization but you don't realize that they are only being social with other homeschoolers! i'm not saying there arent academic advantages but you can supliment you kids public school education and get similar results. when i was 11 i insisted on attending jr high so the school system gave me a placement test. i tested mid 11th grade level and could be placed in either 11th or 12th but they sent me to seventh because i was a social tard. i tried for 2 years but couldn't fit in so i left public school. i have many advantages in life i would have never had in public school but it came at a price i'm still paying today.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by hub:

          my 6 year old is doing multiplication and division, can count money and read books.......
          so could my public school kid, and i bet he can kick your kids ass too!

          my oldest made straight "A's" except for conduct and that was explained to us as "it is because he gets finished too early and then tries to talk in class" oh heavens me a little boy who tries to talk in class..........
          yes, your kid was being disrupive and interfering with the educaion of others. in life we have to learn to follow certain rules like sitting quietly till everyone is done. the ceo of a major corperation won't do that in a board meeting will he? oh well, i guess your kid will end up just another blue collar nobody like his dad.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Betheny:

            Jewel-
            I've never done it but am thinking about it. My son can't keep his mind off girls long enough to listen to the teacher. Sitting home with Mom would be much less distracting.
            later in life he will be working around girls so it's good for him to learn around them. try encouraging more after scool social time so that school time isn't the only time he has with girls.

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            • #36
              I just wrote and erased my defense on homeschooling. While I do realize it is not for everyone (just as public school is not for everyone), it breaks my heart to see such negative things written about it.

              Good luck to you Diamond in your endeavors. [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]

              [This message was edited by 30something on 04-01-05 at 12:32 PM.]
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              • #37
                While in ways I agree with all of you and understand your reasons for feeling the way you do, I am going to homeschool Melissa for at least one year, hopefully three and my reasons have to do with protecting my family, I would never make this decision for anyone else or criticize their reasons for doing so. Only parents themselves can see all the situations their own children may be in and their personality strengths and weaknesses.

                Melissa has been in public school all along and has done very well. She is an Honor Roll student and a member of the Beta Club, which requires good behavior as well as good grades. I would like to feel able to allow her to go to Middle School in the public schools here but they are BAD schools. I see what my stepson has to go through just dealing with "socialization" and it has nothing to do with him being pampered by mom or anything of that nature. Most kids, especially in and near big cities, are not being taught how to act by their own parents and it's not the school's job to teach them that IMO. Why should my daughter be subjected to that if it's not necessary?

                I'm betting she'll learn more, have more time with her friends and more socialization than she can stand being with me than she gets at school now, and it will be with whom I deem appropriate company for her, not just whoever happens to live near us.

                If in the future we move to a better school district or if she wants to return to public school when she's ready for High School we'll deal with that then and I'm perfectly open to it. For right now though, my child's safety and my sanity are the most crucial issues in this decision.

                Thanks everyone for your input.

                Jewel
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                • #38
                  i didn't se anything wrong with your now erased response 30something although you misunderstood my point. i'd never advise a person to FOLLOW 'the crowd', but be an individual AMONG 'the crowd'. the people in those schools are the people your kid will be dealing with for the rest of his life.

                  Diamond, your kids school sounds dangerous as hell! Your plan is a good one.

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                  • #39
                    Shannon, I wish you hadn't changed your post, it was excellent, thankfully I got it in email before you changed it, I agree wholeheartedly!

                    Thank you for everything and don't forget I'll be picking your brain soon [img]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/img].

                    Cspine, you're right, it's dangerous here and I also feel we really need this time together before she really starts "growing up", getting interested in boys, she's still mostly 'kid' and wants her mom's attention. She'll only be this age once and I'm not going to miss it.

                    Jewel
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                    • #40
                      [QUOTE]Originally posted by Cspine:

                      Originally posted by hub:
                      my 6 year old is doing multiplication and division, can count money and read books.......
                      so could my public school kid, and i bet he can kick your kids ass too!


                      now you want your kid to fight mine?



                      my oldest made straight "A's" except for conduct and that was explained to us as "it is because he gets finished too early and then tries to talk in class" oh heavens me a little boy who tries to talk in class..........
                      yes, your kid was being disrupive and interfering with the educaion of others. in life we have to learn to follow certain rules like sitting quietly till everyone is done. the ceo of a major corperation won't do that in a board meeting will he? oh well, i guess your kid will end up just another blue collar nobody like his dad.

                      OKAY your an idiot and I know I shouldn't argue with fools cause they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.....
                      1st you have know idea what job I have...?

                      we took our son out of school when we realized he was grading the other kid's papers (this was the brilliance of his teacher...."well he gets finished early so I have the other kids pass him their papers"

                      I've been to college and have a degree.....all that is, is a piece of paper that states I gave the school money and stuck it out (endurance) to the end. Most of what I learned in college was junk, and had to be relearned after I got out.

                      [This message was edited by hub on 04-01-05 at 03:58 PM.]

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                      • #41
                        [QUOTE] OKAY your an idiot and I know I shouldn't argue with fools cause they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.....
                        1st you have know idea what job I have, what gives you the all mighty position to look down on me (if I fail my job 1000s to millions die in a instant.....if you fail to do your job the process is over a lifetime and they just wish they had died) [QUOTE/]

                        Nah, if you fail your job you'll be replaced by some 19 year old ITT Tech graduate..... or a retarded monkey

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by hub:

                          okay my two cents

                          1st:scaligirl what you describe in your "perfect world" where there are checks by trained officials....this is why most people go to homeschooling in the first place..... gov't intervention in every part of our lives is not the answer

                          2nd: if you want to make a homeschooler mad say "well what about socialization?" duh there again one of the main reasons we don't want our developing children thrown in the pit of hell you call normilazation "school"

                          3rd developmental our children are always complemented on their manners, politeness, and their ability to cope with any social situation......... with the local homeschool group we have over 160 families that have multiple activities on a daily basis. What you don't realize is that while your at work that we are taking advantage of local discounts at buisnesses that appreciate our morning and afternoon buisness (bowling,skating, gaming areas, play areas, museums, theatrical companies, the arts, play grounds, and sooooo many more) we have to pick and choose between tooooo many activites....

                          my 6 year old is doing multiplication and division, can count money and read books.......

                          if school is tough we stop and work with it in a none threating atmosphere, when it is easy we advance, all at his pace not the slowest in the room

                          my oldest made straight "A's" except for conduct and that was explained to us as "it is because he gets finished too early and then tries to talk in class" oh heavens me a little boy who tries to talk in class..........

                          what is the best part? I get to see the expression on his face when he gets it, really gets it....it is as important to me (and him) as his first steps

                          but in your world I would see his first steps on a surveilance camera at some day care, while some minimum wage works applauds his efforts? no no no no and again I say NO!

                          why do you worry so much about those who want to homeschool? oh I know, it threatens your job security? or is it you think you are the only one qualified to teach our children? and when the children become unmanageable? well we have a drug for that makes the easy to teach......

                          oh well just my opinion as a stupid homeschool father
                          Is this whole post directed at me and what I posted?

                          1st..when did I say my world was "perfect"? Do you know what a charter school is? Most people take their students out of traditional schools and place them into a charter school because we are not bound by all the BS policies that they do. As far as being checked by a trained professional..these teachers are there to HELP the parents. The parents are the primary teachers for these students.
                          I don't understand where the attack on me came from. I NEVER said anything negative about homeschooling.
                          If the rest of your post was directed at me, let me know and I will address the rest of the post.

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                          • #43
                            Homeschooling is not for everyone, but how can any intelligent person refute the benefits it has when carried out by committed parents?!

                            CSpine you're placing a stigma on a group of kids just because of how they're schooled, like it says there is something inherently wrong with the kids they'll never recover from once they've begun that path. How rediculous! "They'll only socailize with other homeschooled kids"...kids are kids...put them in a group and they'll socialize as kids do; their school setting is irrelevent. Being in a "public" setting does not teach them how to behave themselves. Teaching them to think & be confident in themselves in a home atmosphere where they can progress academically as they are developmentally ready will prepare them to handle themselves in any group. Kids in public schools get beat up all the time for progressing slower, faster, bascially anything that makes them different. Being amongst ill mannered children for the majority of the day will only teach my kids that that sort of behavior is normal and acceptable. I want my kids to explore, not mindlessly subscribe to whatever the teacher & other children tell them. School should be about learning primarily. There is entirely too much placed on public school teachers these days, which has no business in an academic realm, but because so many parents are "too busy" the schools are expected to pick up more responsibility. As schools take on more & more, they are unable to do a good job with what should be there focus. I'm not even going to get started on how hard one must look for a good teacher in public school systems. Furthermore, if you are so maladjusted, it may be either because the person in charge of your homeschool experience did a poor job & you didn't receive adequate socialization, or maybe you would be "weird & have trouble relating to people" regardless of how you were taught. There are plenty of those people brought up in public schools too you know. Quit blaming homeschooling in general for making you a "social tard".

                            My son is still an infant, but I plan to homeschool him as my aunt did with her 4 children; hers are examlpes of sociable & well adjusted homeschoolers. The oldest entered a large city public high school by choice graduating valedictorian going on to med school & being a youth pastor. The others are coming along after him just as well. My son will have a rich life outside academics, introduced to horses (my passion) racecars (my husband's passion) & anthying he chooses on his own along with a supporting community of family & friends. We'll also take advantage of the large church homeschool co-op in our area. He will learn at home to think outside the box, respect himself & his ideas, other people who deserve it, and to stick up for himself.
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                            • #44
                              homeschooling is huge here. Due to the sparseness and the way the area is spread out - especially in winter - school kids don't travel far to go to school. Some of them have combined grades because attendance is low. Makes it great for the kids who are in the class since they get personalized attention. It doesn't matter here one way or the other. Some kids go to religious schools, some go to public schools, some get home schooled. No big deal. The greater majority home school/private school their kids til high school, then send them to public high school.

                              I am a certified K-8/special education teacher and have worked with both groups of children. I work a lot with my son to help him stay as close to on-level as possible. He has learning disabilities, so it can be quite a challenge at times. I also tutor kids - both home school and public school students. Around here, there isn't much difference developmentally. True, the public school kids are more aware of trends and what not, but that's because they are exposed to it daily. Ten years from now, does that really matter?

                              I suppose it's different in areas where the population is more compacted, unlike here where there are 9 people per square mile.
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                              • #45
                                I cannot speak as parent of a child, but I can give my perspective on what it is like to be schooled part of my life in public school in the US, be homeschooled, and also attend a one room school in a third world country. I say the public schools are good in that they teach conformation and "fitting in", something I never did well from the get go. They teach you to "get along" as a member of a group. I was not happy there AT ALL. In fact I hated it. Home schooling talt me to me independent, resiliant, and self reliant. I found this was the most helpful lifestyle for me. I learned alot in homeschooling (and these were the days when homeschooling was very rare) and found I was waa...y ahead of the public school kids. I found I just did not fit in the public schools. I think most home schoolers have faced this, here. It not only was the home schooling, but the fact I lived in a lifestyle that was so diferent than most of the other kids, haveing been a live aboard (lived on a boat)at the time. I can remember sitting on the deck doing my studies or at the galley table. We would get our work done and done right, early so, we had more time for the rest of the day. My folks would take the lessons we learned in our homeschooling and applied them to what was going on around us.
                                The "one room schoolhouse" experience was also good as we had to expereince being with other kids, learn the self discipline of focusing our studies, while the other kids were being tought their lessons. My Dad attended a one room schoolhouse his whole elemetry school years, and he did fine. He eventually graduated from medical school and had a very popular medical practice. He had two practices, one was general practice and the other was orthopeadics. Now, he was so good, he was a very astute clincical diagnostisiion, and unfortunately I hold every other doctor up to his light, and they do not shine as he did. I think I had maybe one or two doctors that I could compare to him. I think that is why I have so much difficulty being satisfied with doctors. Again the affect it had on me was to teach discipline, hard work, and mixing with kids of may types and ages. So all schools have something to offer, but I find home schooling and a one or two room school is what I would want my kids in to get their education. Just my experience and opinion, but then I have always marched to the beat of a different drum.
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