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    FES bike for complete quad 3 years post. Would it work?

    I'm C5 complete 3 years post and and never tried a FES bike or any other kind of electrical stimulator on my legs. I'm considering in buying myself the device and use it in conjunction with my MotoMed. But now I'm worried that after the three years of not moving my leg muscles if they'll still be able to contract.
    Any complete there that used a FES bike for the first time years after being injured?

    #2
    I would see if you can try one before you buy. Some people don't respond to the stim. I also have seen people that went longer than you and started using the machine. Just need to be careful and do short therapy sessions first to not burn out your muscles.

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      #3
      Originally posted by cfx View Post
      I would see if you can try one before you buy. Some people don't respond to the stim. I also have seen people that went longer than you and started using the machine. Just need to be careful and do short therapy sessions first to not burn out your muscles.
      I'd definitely try before buying it because I'm afraid it might not work. The ones that you've seen it work, were any completes?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Silvio GS View Post

        I'd definitely try before buying it because I'm afraid it might not work. The ones that you've seen it work, were any completes?
        Yes my Son is ASIA A Complete and the RTI works very well for him. No return of function but it builds muscle and gives him a good cardio workout. The new sage unit is capable of working many more muscle groups at one time.

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          #5
          Originally posted by nrf View Post
          Yes my Son is ASIA A Complete and the RTI works very well for him. No return of function but it builds muscle and gives him a good cardio workout. The new sage unit is capable of working many more muscle groups at one time.
          Thanks nrf. After how long post injury did your son first tried it?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Silvio GS View Post
            Thanks nrf. After how long post injury did your son first tried it?
            With in 2 months. We have a 40 year man at the gym who is complete who has had positive responses to the stim-bike 15 years into his injury. We have had one (out of many) who had no response 2 months after injury.

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              #7
              There are a number of studies showing good results even with denervated muscles. Keep in mind it can take years to rebuild muscles so patience will be required.

              Google denervated fes and you'll find reputable articles from nih and others.
              T3 complete since Sept 2015.

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                #8
                If you have spasticity in your legs, you may have actually maintained a significant amount of muscle bulk, so much more likely to build more with FES. Less likely if you have LMN damage to muscles which have atrophied to pretty much nothing over 3 years, but you can certainly try. Getting funded will be a much bigger challenge.

                (KLD)
                The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                  #9
                  I bought a used fes bike as coughing up $23,000 wasn't in the cards. It has some issues but it mainly works.
                  T3 complete since Sept 2015.

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                    #10
                    So time isn't really a matter...
                    about the muscle denervation I'm looking into it now. Would denervated muscle still get spasms?

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                      #11
                      LMN (lower motor neuron) muscles don't have spasms or spasticity. UMN (upper motor neuron) muscles have spasms and have spasticity.

                      (KLD)
                      The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                        #12
                        I'm c3 complete,injured 3/3/13 and got my FES bike in January 16.I did a test ride in 2014 and had no problem with the stimulation, couldn't afford the bike at the time and had to wait until the start of this year to get it. When I did it was obvious I'd lost a lot of muscle strength, could not get anywhere near my 2014 trial times/speed. We adapted the settings and I began training again, I was a dedicated cyclist, worked for a mountain bike company and most of my life was riding bikes. It felt good to have a training programme again, my PA's soon adapted to the new schedule of me riding every morning and are now quite quick at setting me up and getting me off. Initial rides started at 20 minutes and with motor assist, gradually I used less and less assist and rides got longer. I've built up to 1 hour rides and am now working at increasing my RPM, started at 35 now up to 43 but each 1 RPM jump takes time to achieve as you use max stimulation earlier.

                        I track every ride using RT's online software, can see how I've progressed or regressed, I've gone backwards a couple of times, the latest one thanks to a lung problem which dropped my Sats. I find this really annoying just like I did pre injury. I'm OCD tracking everything and just want to see constant progress.

                        Physically my thighs are larger and firmer, my carers commented on this after a month, my gluts might be getting firmer but it's hard to tell, I'm hoping to put muscle on to reduce pressure sores. Mentally it has helped a lot, it provides reasons to get up, gives me goals and I feel like part of my old life is back. I can chat to my bike riding buddies about pedalling again

                        To get the most from it you do need to be dedicated, I've missed a few sessions because of hospital appointments and work, unavoidable but frustrating as well. Records show I've used it 68 sessions since getting it end of January.

                        Get a test ride on one and see how you do....

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                          #13
                          No one will be able to provide an exact answer for you, but perhaps my experience will be another data point for you. I am a C4/5 quad, and I was injured in December 2002. I was able to try the ERGYS once about 2-3 months post injury, and then I started to get in a regular routine with the ERGYS (and later the RTI cycle) about 1.5 years post injury. I have a fair amount of spasticity in my legs, and I had absolutely no problem with my legs responding to FES. I definitely lose some strength when I don't ride the bike for a while, but I never have any issues with my legs failing to respond.

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