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    #61
    Jim, I've posted this elsewhere. Do you know of any articles or blogs that announce Dr Young's trials. I search stem cell news everyday and all kinds of announcements and blurbs on various test and such, but not Dr Youngs. This is incredible to me as Gerons trials for acute pateints has gotten alot of press. Let us know if you can.

    Thanks
    keeping on

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      #62
      treatment specifics

      from: http://www.nsctherapyproject.com/Brochure.html
      What Is NSC Therapy?

      NSC is the abbreviation for Neuro Synthetic Conduction Therapy, or artificial nerve conduction. This
      new treatment has been in development since November 2007. It is non-invasive and does not require medication, surgery, or the use of any mechanical devices, but is a simple, hands-on treatment using Anatomy, Physiology and Neurological science.


      How Does It Work?

      How it works may sound easy but is rather complex. In simple terms, there are nerve endings in the
      hands and bottom of the feet called Meissner’s Corpuscles. These nerve endings are located near the surface of the skin and can only be affected by light touch. They are the switchboard for the peripheral nervous system, which courses throughout the body. These light touch receptors, or nerve endings, are similar to open wires to the nervous system. Through the use of a small portion of my thumb, I have found a way to re-stimulate -- or “jump start” -- the nervous system where paralysis has occurred in the body (rather like jumping a car battery).

      What about My Spinal Injury?

      Damage to your spinal cord will not be repaired as a result of this treatment. However, by stimulating the nervous system in the paralyzed area, the brain will be made aware of its existence, and will recognize that the currently paralyzed area of the body is now functional. The brain will reroute itssignal to further its communication of movement. This act is believed to occur through the spinalcord, para vertebral chain, and the peripheral nervous system.


      What Can This Do for Me?

      With this new line of communication, we have found that both quadriplegics and paraplegics, whether young or old, have regained both sensation and muscular control in once-paralyzed areas of the body. Within the
      5 day treatment participants have been able to voluntarily move their once paralyzed extremities and begin their road to recovery. Through the use of a Gazellestander, leg press, adductor/abductor machine, and a basic recumbent exercise bike, one can physically observe the changes in strength and movement from the once-paralyzed extremities. While this is not the cure-all for paralysis, the ability to feel and to control the movements of your formerly paralyzed muscles is the first step to recovery.

      What Is Muscle Control?

      To regain muscle control is to regain the ability to voluntarily contract and relax your individual muscle groups that were once paralyzed. The NSC Therapy treatment has had great successwith the return of:

      §Adduction of the thigh and leg
      §Abduction of the thigh and leg
      §Extension of the leg or arm
      §Flexion of the knee or elbow
      §Extension of the leg at the knee
      §Plantar and dorsal flexion of the foot
      §Inversion and eversion of the foot
      §Movement of the toes or fingers
      §Flexion and extension of the wrist
      §Use of the abdominal muscles for balance

      These are just a few of the movements which may be regained as a result of the NSC Therapy treatments. There are many more possibilities that have not yet been explored.

      What about Sensation?

      Sensation consists of the ability to feel things that could not be felt before... for example, heat, cold, pain, sweating, muscle movement, pressure on the skin, or the pinch of a needle. There are many benefits to the return of sensation.


      Spasms?

      Research by the NSC Therapy Project has shown that spasms have been reduced by more than 75%. How does this occur? With each of the 5 NSC Therapy Treatments, one begins to voluntarily control muscles in the once-paralyzed extremities; therefore eliminating the possibility of muscles receiving “mixed signals.” This process has been found to decrease…and in some cases, even eliminate…spasms altogether.


      How Much Does It Cost?

      A total of five consecutive sessions are required to obtain the best results. Each session is approximately two hours in length, and costs $1,000.00 for the 5 day program. While some improvements generally are observed following the first treatment, each treatment thereafter will result in new improvements.

      We do not accept any medical insurance or credit cards of any kind at this time. We do accept Cashier checks, money orders, personal checks, and cash.


      How To Apply

      Applications can be obtained by calling NSC Therapy at 727-204-2905.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
        I am going to see Ken on December 12. I will make a video of my condition before and after I see him.
        I drove 2500 miles RT just to try this therapy, the results were ZERO, so, based on my experience, you will be wasting money and time going there.
        Ken's place was very unhygienic, his black leather couches and the floor were full of his old black Labrador's & his cat's hair, when I was there, cat's eating/feeding place was on the top of the kitchen counter and table.

        Good luck.
        C.A.
        Last edited by challenged athlete; 4 Dec 2010, 1:39 AM.

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          #64
          Originally posted by challenged athlete View Post
          I drove 2500 miles RT just to try this therapy, the results were ZERO, so, based on my experience, you will be wasting money and time going there.
          Ken's place was very unhygienic, his black leather couches and the floor were full of his old black Labrador's & his cat's hair, when I was there, cat's eating/feeding place was on the top of the kitchen counter and table.

          Good luck.
          C.A.
          Are you the one snorting cocaine
          C5/C6 Complete since 08/22/09

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            #65
            Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
            Are you the one snorting cocaine
            I just was trying to share my experience @ Ken Bryant with whoever is interested of hearing it with the purpose of saving someone the hassle, money and time, but judging from your impulsive answer, my opinion is that you are not looking for info. on this therapy, but probably bringing Ken Bryant some business at other people's unnecessary expenses.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
              I am going to see Ken on December 12. I will make a video of my condition before and after I see him.
              Looking forward to seeing the videos. Good luck!
              Dennis Tesolat
              www.StemCellsandAtomBombs.blogspot.com

              "Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom."
              Martin Luther King

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                #67
                Originally posted by Fly_Pelican_Fly View Post
                If it was a "scam" he would be charging a lot more than $200 which lets face it probably isnt going to make him rich. I think it is just a bloke who is offering a "holistic" therapy which may just have a "placebo" effect on some of his patients. I certainly wouldnt put him in the Beike, NuTech, X-Cell category who charge 0000s for their scam therapies - they are the ones we should be persecuting.
                This reminds us all to look before you leap. Costs in health tourism have to include transport and boarding.

                As to individuals, we need to look at chiropractice, dentistry, music lessons and other one on one professional interactions. Typically an hour of contact is charged, on average, at £50. This is a good yardstick when using a healer.
                2010 SCINet Clinical Trial Support Squad Member
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by chris arnold View Post
                  Costs in health tourism have to include transport and boarding...As to individuals, we need to look at chiropractice, dentistry, music lessons and other one on one professional interactions. Typically an hour of contact is charged, on average, at £50. This is a good yardstick when using a healer.
                  Good point about the cost of medical tourism. Travel expenses can far outstrip the costs of testing and/or treatment - though for people without excellent local health care (or particular types of services), the extra expenses are often justified.

                  As to professional fees, a lot of that is determined by where one lives. 50 British pounds is equivalent to about 78 US dollars at today's exchange rate, which is half the amount charged by most physicians, dentists, PTs, bodyworkers, acupuncturists and chiropractors in my city (with specialists sometimes charging triple that amount). If Mr. Bryant practiced where I live, his fee would be in the ballpark with what other massage therapists charge; in Florida, that assessment might have to be adjusted up or down, depending on local norms.

                  In any case, one would certainly expect a therapist to have a hygienic workspace, and I hope that the issues CA mentioned have been dealt with.
                  Last edited by Bonnette; 4 Dec 2010, 12:14 PM. Reason: clarification
                  MS with cervical and thoracic cord lesions

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by PeteShick View Post
                    from: http://www.nsctherapyproject.com/Brochure.html
                    What Is NSC Therapy?

                    NSC is the abbreviation for Neuro Synthetic Conduction Therapy, or artificial nerve conduction. This
                    new treatment has been in development since November 2007. It is non-invasive and does not require medication, surgery, or the use of any mechanical devices, but is a simple, hands-on treatment using Anatomy, Physiology and Neurological science.


                    How Does It Work?

                    How it works may sound easy but is rather complex. In simple terms, there are nerve endings in the
                    hands and bottom of the feet called Meissner’s Corpuscles. These nerve endings are located near the surface of the skin and can only be affected by light touch. They are the switchboard for the peripheral nervous system, which courses throughout the body. These light touch receptors, or nerve endings, are similar to open wires to the nervous system. Through the use of a small portion of my thumb, I have found a way to re-stimulate -- or “jump start” -- the nervous system where paralysis has occurred in the body (rather like jumping a car battery).

                    What about My Spinal Injury?

                    Damage to your spinal cord will not be repaired as a result of this treatment. However, by stimulating the nervous system in the paralyzed area, the brain will be made aware of its existence, and will recognize that the currently paralyzed area of the body is now functional. The brain will reroute itssignal to further its communication of movement. This act is believed to occur through the spinalcord, para vertebral chain, and the peripheral nervous system.


                    What Can This Do for Me?

                    With this new line of communication, we have found that both quadriplegics and paraplegics, whether young or old, have regained both sensation and muscular control in once-paralyzed areas of the body. Within the
                    5 day treatment participants have been able to voluntarily move their once paralyzed extremities and begin their road to recovery. Through the use of a Gazellestander, leg press, adductor/abductor machine, and a basic recumbent exercise bike, one can physically observe the changes in strength and movement from the once-paralyzed extremities. While this is not the cure-all for paralysis, the ability to feel and to control the movements of your formerly paralyzed muscles is the first step to recovery.

                    What Is Muscle Control?

                    To regain muscle control is to regain the ability to voluntarily contract and relax your individual muscle groups that were once paralyzed. The NSC Therapy treatment has had great successwith the return of:

                    §Adduction of the thigh and leg
                    §Abduction of the thigh and leg
                    §Extension of the leg or arm
                    §Flexion of the knee or elbow
                    §Extension of the leg at the knee
                    §Plantar and dorsal flexion of the foot
                    §Inversion and eversion of the foot
                    §Movement of the toes or fingers
                    §Flexion and extension of the wrist
                    §Use of the abdominal muscles for balance

                    These are just a few of the movements which may be regained as a result of the NSC Therapy treatments. There are many more possibilities that have not yet been explored.

                    What about Sensation?

                    Sensation consists of the ability to feel things that could not be felt before... for example, heat, cold, pain, sweating, muscle movement, pressure on the skin, or the pinch of a needle. There are many benefits to the return of sensation.


                    Spasms?

                    Research by the NSC Therapy Project has shown that spasms have been reduced by more than 75%. How does this occur? With each of the 5 NSC Therapy Treatments, one begins to voluntarily control muscles in the once-paralyzed extremities; therefore eliminating the possibility of muscles receiving “mixed signals.” This process has been found to decrease…and in some cases, even eliminate…spasms altogether.


                    How Much Does It Cost?

                    A total of five consecutive sessions are required to obtain the best results. Each session is approximately two hours in length, and costs $1,000.00 for the 5 day program. While some improvements generally are observed following the first treatment, each treatment thereafter will result in new improvements.

                    We do not accept any medical insurance or credit cards of any kind at this time. We do accept Cashier checks, money orders, personal checks, and cash.


                    How To Apply

                    Applications can be obtained by calling NSC Therapy at 727-204-2905.
                    Bravo!!!!

                    Thank you Pete! Well said, you saved me about a week of typing!

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by challenged athlete View Post
                      I just was trying to share my experience @ Ken Bryant with whoever is interested of hearing it with the purpose of saving someone the hassle, money and time, but judging from your impulsive answer, my opinion is that you are not looking for info. on this therapy, but probably bringing Ken Bryant some business at other people's unnecessary expenses.
                      I am not trying to bring anyone business. Like I said I will post a video of me before and after the treatment. The reason I asked you the question was because I found out that there was someone driving out to see him and he was a cocaine user and that's why the treatment didn't work. I will be hundred percent honest with my experience.
                      C5/C6 Complete since 08/22/09

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
                        he was a cocaine user and that's why the treatment didn't work.
                        Come on, do you really believe that?
                        Pharmacist, C4-5 injury but functional C6 (no triceps/flexors)

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by JGNI View Post
                          Come on, do you really believe that?
                          Well, there is only one way to find out...
                          C5/C6 Complete since 08/22/09

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
                            Well, there is only one way to find out...
                            I like Florida, I hope you take time to enjoy the nice temperature while you're there Mac.
                            Pharmacist, C4-5 injury but functional C6 (no triceps/flexors)

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by JGNI View Post
                              I like Florida, I hope you take time to enjoy the nice temperature while you're there Mac.
                              Haha oooh yea, we just got about 10 inches of snow today and it's still coming down. Temp 31 degrees. BRRRRRRRRRR
                              C5/C6 Complete since 08/22/09

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
                                Dustin,

                                Thanks. I am not sure that I understand what he did that resulted in your ability to feel and move again. To me, some of the movement may be reflexive, as opposed to voluntary. It is interesting that you can feel your muscles and it seems to me that you are talking about muscle feeling as opposed to touch on the skin.

                                My question is whether or not you already had the ability for such feelings, did not know it, and he helped your discover. Nothing regenerates so fast. It is not possible for whatever he did to have resulted in regrowth and reconnection of pathways. It takes months and years, not days.

                                So, I am struggling to find an explanation for your improvement. I have been in the field long enough to have great confidence in what is known about the anatomy and physiology of the spinal cord. Sensory and motor function are mediated axons that take a months to grow and reconnect.

                                I do not believe that Ken Bryant has found some mysterious way in which sensory and motor information is transmitted in the body. It is true that people with spinal cord injury can develop alternative pathways to transmit information.

                                For example, several investigators have now documented that women with so-called complete spinal cord injuries can achieve orgasms, probably through information passed through the vagus. There is some suggestion that men may have similar inputs but this has not yet been shown.

                                Another phenomenon has been documented in people with chronic spinal cord injury. New multisegmental connections are made in the spinal cord below the injury site. For example, many people with cervical spinal cord injury will find that if they lightly brush the skin of the calves or thighs, their index finger will twitch.

                                I am not sure what is happening when he presses a part of your right foot and tells you that you will feel a tingle in your leg. This does sound very much like a hypnotic suggestion. In the same way, I can take a person with spinal cord injury and pretend to tickle their feet and they can feel a tingle. So, I don't find that convincing.

                                Are you sure that you did not have the sensation in your fingers before? Many people are able to feel pressure on their fingers. In fact, if you take a look at the dermatomes for C6, C7, and C8, you will find that the dermatomes for C6 includes the thumb, C7 includes the index and middle finger, and C8 is the lateral part of the ring finger a pinky.

                                If you are able to lift your hand at the wrist (i.e. wrist extensors), you have some C6 function and it is not surprising that you can feel pressure on your thumb. If you have some triceps function (C7), you should be able to feel somebody squeezing your index and middle fingers. If you have wrist flexion (C7), you should be able to feel somebody squeezing your pinky.

                                As I said before, I am impressed by your improvement of torso function. You were bending over back and forth with substantial force and dexterity. That is not usual in somebody with cervical spinal cord injury. By the way, torso muscles are not included in the standard ASIA examinations and thus not much is known about their recovery.

                                In any case, thank you very much for your passion and willing to describe your recovery. It is very interesting and I hope that you will keep us up to date concerning your recovery.

                                Wise.




                                Wise,

                                I tried to the best of my ability to explain what Ken did to restore my movement and sensation but to get a better understanding check out /forum/showpost.php?p=1291346&postcount=62
                                As for the movements being reflexive, I believe that is not the case. For example, my quadriceps in both legs can be activated by my flexing of those muscles instantaneously and repetitively. They can be felt by anybody holding those muscles along with my hamstrings, pecks, triceps, and other muscle groups I don't know the names of. All of which I could not move prior to the five NSC treatments.

                                As you mentioned, it is true that people with SCI can develop alternative pathways to transmit information. I believe that's what NSC therapy does. I have no other explanation being the client and not the doctor, and I do apologize.

                                As for hypnosis, an incident occurred during the fourth NSC treatment that proved to myself, my best friend and first caretaker besides my family Nicholas Barone, and my grandmother DonaJoy Stevens that Ken doesn't use hypnosis. While working on my right wrist (stimulating the nerve endings in my right foot) I felt a very strong tingling sensation in the right side of my abdomen. I placed my hand on my right abdomen side glancing directly over at Nicholas with a somewhat frightened look. "Are you ok?" he said. Instantly Ken says "Tell me when you feel a sensation in your abdomen" unaware of my actions being unable to see what I was doing and also being focused on the nerve stimulation of my abdomen (through the foot). Now in order for hypnosis to take place, you mentioned the action is mentioned first, followed by the imaginary reaction. In this case, I reacted first, and he mentioned it after my reaction disproving hypnosis.

                                In regards to sensation in my fingers. Before the treatments I could only feel pressure in both thumbs and in the tip of my right forefinger. I know this due to occasional stretching of my hands by PTs, OTs, and caregivers. Now I can feel all four fingers and thumbs on both hands when they have slight pressure applied. I also have feeling in the entirety of both arms and even my arm pits unlike before the treatments. I was only able to feel the thumb side of my arms up to my biceps and shoulders.

                                Now for the wrists. Prior to the treatments my left wrist extensors could perform 3/5 (during my last assessment less then a year ago at Gaylord) with no flexion. My right only 2/5 with no flexion. The only improvement so far is a little more extension on the left but I noticed the muscle in my arm that is used for extension has grown and is much more visible since the treatments. The strangest difference in my wrists is the noticeable hair growth.

                                My trunk movement I can guess is due to the fact that I can feel and move muscles down my back all the way down to my glutes. Before NSC I couldn't feel below my injury level. I've been exercising daily and I do believe it's strengthening what I can feel now.

                                I'll be making a video soon of what I could feel before NSC, and what I can feel now. It will include my girlfriend touching different muscles on my entire upper body and I'll be saying where she's touching. If you'd like me to include anything in the video or a different video please let me know.

                                Thanks again Wise for taking the time to discuss everything. I look forward to hearing from you.

                                Dustin

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