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    Any walkers out there able to handle stairs, like without guard rails? I can walk up and down stairs with guard rails, but never attempted without because if I lose balance just a little I would fall backwards and get rocked!

    I wasn't sure if you guys used a special technique or just went super slow to get up them.

    Getting down stairs without guard rails I think is impossible unless like you are almost 100% recovered because you basically have to have both hip flexors working fine and be able to bare all your weight on 1 leg while maintaining balance at a downward angle.

    For those cases I usually just ride on someone’s back or worse cases I will get on my ass and go 1 step at a time.

    Just curious if anyone has figured out a better way to get up or down them.
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    my right leg is very stiff, so i use my recovered leg (left) to go down first, then put my weight on the stiff leg, breakthru the tone, and then i use my quad to push it forward to the next step my right is already on.

    in fact I have to do it at all my friends house because THEY ALL have flights of stairs to get into their house, and I have to go up 3 steps (no guard rails) to get into my own house. but I usually use my walker place it down and just use my upper body strength to push up and down the steps. instead of my crutches. (meh I get lazy lol)

    Thats why I laugh when people call Cali accessible. sure stores are, but no residential areas....

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    • #3
      Thanks Imight,

      My left leg walks on spasims so its constantly flex and what I'm worried about is if I put weight on the bad one, the spasims might kick in and I'll be HOPPING one 1 leg and then falling down the stairs haha i can picutre it now! its pretty epic.

      As soon as I graduate I'm going hardcore recovery mode so we'll see what I can get going.


      When you walk in public, do you walk 1 foot at a time, or do you hop? LIke I found in public, if I hop, and make it seem like I broke my legs, both of them like 2 crutches out in front then just swing both my legs through its super fast like you can go the same pace as someone walking and people just think u lost ur legs fighting a great white shark or somthing. But I noticed it really doesn't help with recovery other than trunk control probably.
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      • #4
        Start with the lowest. widest steps you can find, and maybe 2 or 3. I have four steps up onto my deck in the back yard. 4 steps plus the deck and a hill to climb before you reach the first step. These steps are wide enough for a walker, which is how I started on them, they re 12 feet wide and no railing. I've never had to ditch it on the lawn yet, now I walk up them foot after foot, and it's great hard training, just a tad dangerous, but that's the way I like it.

        You will need to work on balance, strength, cordination, and just a little bit of something located between your legs, up high between your hips! A couple of months of this, and you can probly hit the dance floor and do something your parents would remember the "The Hustle"!!!!

        Start with the easy ones [stairs] and branch out, Rome wasn't built in a day.

        Good Luck

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        • #5
          hah thanks for the info guys!
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          • #6
            yeah, i can go up/down stairs like crazy.....3-4 flights is about the most at once since my accident.......left leg is about 75% and right leg sucks - no foot, no knee......KAFO......pretty much walking on tone & the brace with that one......i put the left crutch a few steps up & use my right arm/crutch to bring the stiff leg {very stiff} up to match the left & then step up another with the left & then repeat. quite a workout...........i scrabble all over, on & off human-made surfaces......you do what you need to do. if there is a handrail, i'll use it downhill fo-sho, not on the climb at all.....too much crutch management.......Steve.
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            • #7
              Steve,

              Thats how I get up stairs like you do but how do you get down stairs if there is no hand rail?

              because if for example I Place my 1 crutch on the stair below me and my 1 foot (the godo one) then I can't move the bad one down to the step because its stuck in straight position even though I only have an AFO on it, the tone keeps it from bending

              If there is a guard rail its pretty easy to go down stairs. I simply use 1 crutch and the guard rail to help me move my bad leg down first, theen once my bad leg is down, I bring my good leg down. My bad leg is strange, it can actually PUSH more than my good leg can, probably because its constantly running on spasims, but like on a leg press I've noticed my bad leg does more pushing than my good leg does.
              Last edited by mr_coffee; 04-19-2009, 03:08 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by mr_coffee View Post
                Steve,

                Thats how I get up stairs like you do but how do you get down stairs if there is no hand rail?

                because if for example I Place my 1 crutch on the stair below me and my 1 foot (the godo one) then I can't move the bad one down to the step because its stuck in straight position even though I only have an AFO on it, the tone keeps it from bending
                i just "pre-load" the stiff leg & then weight the good one & swing the right leg off the step, it goes stiff, & i stand on it & step off with the good one........practice makes perfect....also, my KAFO keeps my knee from reaching more then a 15* angle, keeping it from fully locking out. also, my left leg is 1.75" shorter as it was crushed/re-assembled....scary as shit to start off with, fo-sho! Steve.
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                • #9
                  Without handrails, but with crutches -it's a tricky one for sure.
                  I go sideways: then I have a downhill crutch and then my feet stepping to same stair, then down one, then feet together. with my uphill crutch acting to stabilize. I have good balance so this works for me, but it's still a little dicey. I also place the uphill crutch slightly behind and the downhill one in front to get I much prefer, one crutch and one handrail and going down the normal way, (face first! j/k) in which I only move my crutches when I'm certain my feet are solid.

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                  • #10
                    actually renting or borrowing a crash pad like the ones they use for rock climbing and bouldering might not be a bad idea for learning, I would be bolder if I knew there was a soft landing.

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                    • #11
                      hah yah I need a small flight of stairs to make sure I don't roll down a few of them before hitting the nice soft pad :P
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mr_coffee View Post
                        Steve,

                        Thats how I get up stairs like you do but how do you get down stairs if there is no hand rail?

                        because if for example I Place my 1 crutch on the stair below me and my 1 foot (the godo one) then I can't move the bad one down to the step because its stuck in straight position even though I only have an AFO on it, the tone keeps it from bending
                        same here. but i put weight on the leg to breakthru the tone, then use my quad to push swing it forward and land on the same step as the good foot. my good leg is already planted and steady so i cant fall. if your scared of putting weight on the bad leg. hip swing it down. as long as you have both crutches and one good leg on the step below, you shouldnt fall forward. the crutches keep you from moving forward, you see?

                        example. left crutch first, then left leg (good leg) then right crutch, as you're doing that, put weight on your right leg, once the tone is broken thru, both crutches should now be planted, then swing or use your quad to place your leg down. if you feel like you;'re falling fwd, quickly place the left (or both) crutch on the following step to keep from tumbling like a rag doll in a dryer lol
                        Last edited by Imight; 04-19-2009, 09:23 PM.

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                        • #13
                          oh and never lean foward. be upright as possible.

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                          • #14
                            I can go up but not down. Going up I step up with my good leg (AFO only) and then use the handrail or a crutch and my good leg to power up my bad leg (KAFO).
                            I actually can go down a couple wide steps backward? but can't go down forward without losing balance. I did it a couple times when I was at SCIstep but can't seem to do it now.
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                            • #15
                              Thanks Imight, that makes sense! I guess I'll try it out and see what happens (I'll have people near by of course.)

                              The one thing I"m wondering is if I can kick in my bad legs quad to push it forward. It seems the muscle that would push your bad leg forward would be the bad legs hipflexor
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