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    #31
    Originally posted by August West View Post
    How would a chux prevent you from sinking into the cushion?
    I don't understand why this conversation has become so precious. If you engage in high risk activities, have animals you can't control, how can you hold the maker of the cushion/cushion cover to task. I don't weld, I don't work in a shop, I don't have cats or dogs...and my experience with my Roho cushion is sterling. If you choose to engage in activities outside of the parameters of the normal use of the cushion/cover then you do that at your own risk/peril/and use out of the norm. If you use you Roho cushion outside the normal range of experience...you need to take responsibility for that.

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      #32
      I love my ass-saver Rohos!
      gjnl might take this shit too seriously; what does Augie's chux scenario have to do with "precious"?
      Putting a non-stretch material over it certainly would restrict its compliance in three dimensions; how profoundly? Beyond my pay grade.
      This WAS a whimsical conversation about our Rohos and how they are vulnerable to puncture.
      What would you expect if you made such a pneumatic matrix with thin compliant material?
      Why have any concern that we who take risks with them sometimes suffer the expectable result?
      Live and let live!!
      There are many risk-takers with spinal cord injuries, myself included
      who apparently, may never learn the lessons of prudence.
      69yo male T12 complete since 1995
      NW NJ

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        #33
        Originally posted by pfcs49 View Post
        I love my ass-saver Rohos!
        gjnl might take this shit too seriously; what does Augie's chux scenario have to do with "precious"?
        Putting a non-stretch material over it certainly would restrict its compliance in three dimensions; how profoundly? Beyond my pay grade.
        This WAS a whimsical conversation about our Rohos and how they are vulnerable to puncture.
        What would you expect if you made such a pneumatic matrix with thin compliant material?
        Why have any concern that we who take risks with them sometimes suffer the expectable result?
        Live and let live!!
        There are many risk-takers with spinal cord injuries, myself included
        who apparently, may never learn the lessons of prudence.
        Augie's chux scenario has nothing to do with anything, except that all of you who are complaining about your issues when you take unmitigated risks with your roho cushions doesn't sound so whimsical to me or to Tom Borcherding who is regularly here to help us with our issues and concerns about roho cushions. Too serious or not...all of you are just being too precious with your complaints and your lack of care.

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          #34
          Take it easy. We can appreciate Tom and his company and still have questions. This isn't about who to blame for the flat. This is about how to prevent flats.

          Personally, I would use a pillow case in a pinch as a cover if I didn't have a Roho cover (which I do). Because the risk of sitting on a flat Roho is far greater than sitting on a Roho in a pillow case. Hence, I suggested the pillow case. This has nothing to do with taking risk. This has nothing to do with welding. You're a smart person. But you're out in left field if your takeaway is that I am here to tell people to live fast and take risks. I never said that. I never complained.

          My comments are about improvising to manage risk in a pinch. Not everyone has a cover. What do they do? Part of having a SCI in improvising. Improvising seems to be half my life anymore. I'd probably be in a far worse situation SCI-wise if it wasn't for improvising. A Pillow case as a cover in a pinch falls in that category.

          KLD said a pillow case would prevent sinking into the Roho. I get that a pillow case that is too tight would prevent you from sinking in. But then again so would an overinflated Roho. That's operator error. Otherwise, I would like to know what the problem is with a pillow case? It's a legitimate question.
          Last edited by August West; 30 Jun 2019, 12:53 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by August West View Post
            Take it easy. We can appreciate Tom and his company and still have questions. This isn't about who to blame for the flat. This is about how to prevent flats.

            Personally, I would use a pillow case in a pinch as a cover if I didn't have a Roho cover. Because the risk of sitting on a flat Roho is far greater than sitting on a Roho in a pillow case. Hence, I suggested the pillow case. That's when KLD said a pillow case would prevent sinking into the Roho. I get that a pillow case that is too tight would prevent you from sinking in. But then again so would an overinflated Roho. That's operator error. Otherwise, I would like to know what the problem is with a pillow case? It's a legitimate question.
            Most of the posts on this thread are from folks who are belly aching about how their Roho cushions don't hold up under their welding hobby. That is where I am talking about this being a precious conversation.

            Roho is quite clear about the use of anything on the top of their cushions other than their proprietary cushion covers. They have been in this business for a very long time, have tested their products in many uses and environments. If you have disagreements with their recommendations, so be it. When you decide to use a Roho cushion you should be doing so because you buy into the whole package of their protocol. If you don't like that then choose another cushion. Certainly there are many cushions out there that may not melt or puncture or deflate or suffer the issues that many of you have when you abuse the product as it is intended to be used.

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              #36
              Originally posted by gjnl View Post
              Most of the posts on this thread are from folks who are belly aching about how their Roho cushions don't hold up under their welding hobby. That is where I am talking about this being a precious conversation.
              And yet your post was directed at me who said nothing like that.

              You forgot to say "Get off my lawn!"

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                #37
                You've totally missed my point.

                It wasn't about encouraging rogue SCIs to ignore Roho's recommendations and then point fingers at Roho. My point is about how to protect your Roho cushion. If someone doesn't have a cushion cover, what do you propose they do in a pinch when performing an activity that may put the cushion at risk of puncture?

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                  Most of the posts on this thread are from folks who are belly aching about how their Roho cushions don't hold up under their welding hobby. That is where I am talking about this being a precious conversation.
                  From where I sit this thread is just blokes chewing fat and pissing in the fire telling their tales over a beer. Nothing to get tits in a tangle over.
                  My Roho has a pin hole at #4 on the fifth row from the rear. I cannot blame the cat because she got run over years back. Nor the dog because I sit on my cushion, not him. Plus Lewis hasn't been allowed inside since he took to pissing on occasion. Nor welding or cutting cause I use my outside run chair for that carry on.
                  It could be my dropping weight onto it when transferring?
                  Is that a legitimate acceptable cause for a puncture??
                  Should I take full responsibility or blame the .......?
                  Bugger! I have only myself to blame for this ......with Roho as accessory to the fact. Yeah, I said that right
                  Anyway, life is fucked up enough when it is spent in a chair, without getting all twisted ,upset and protective when people are just spending time recounting their experiences.

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                    #39
                    !!

                    Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                    I don't understand why this conversation has become so precious. If you engage in high risk activities, have animals you can't control, how can you hold the maker of the cushion/cushion cover to task. I don't weld, I don't work in a shop, I don't have cats or dogs...and my experience with my Roho cushion is sterling. If you choose to engage in activities outside of the parameters of the normal use of the cushion/cover then you do that at your own risk/peril/and use out of the norm. If you use you Roho cushion outside the normal range of experience...you need to take responsibility for that.
                    I take responsibility for my actions. But shit falls into my lap doing activities of normal life. A grain of sand can fall between two cells and wear a hole. My issue is with how expensive they are. Tell me the margin on these are not insane.

                    I want to hear what others are doing to help prevent holes. Especially people that are active and try to live a normal life doing things they love or being independent fixing thing to save from paying others to do it.

                    No tit tangle here ha!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                      What if you had this guy lounging on your Roho?
                      Beautiful cat tiger!

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by slow_runner View Post
                        From where I sit this thread is just blokes chewing fat and pissing in the fire telling their tales over a beer. Nothing to get tits in a tangle over.
                        My Roho has a pin hole at #4 on the fifth row from the rear. I cannot blame the cat because she got run over years back. Nor the dog because I sit on my cushion, not him. Plus Lewis hasn't been allowed inside since he took to pissing on occasion. Nor welding or cutting cause I use my outside run chair for that carry on.
                        It could be my dropping weight onto it when transferring?
                        Is that a legitimate acceptable cause for a puncture??
                        Should I take full responsibility or blame the .......?
                        Bugger! I have only myself to blame for this ......with Roho as accessory to the fact. Yeah, I said that right
                        Anyway, life is fucked up enough when it is spent in a chair, without getting all twisted ,upset and protective when people are just spending time recounting their experiences.
                        That's pretty much what I felt we were doing/saying.
                        If we had resentments for our Rohos we wouldn't be sitting on them!
                        Not wanting to be contrarian, but one of the participants is showing up like a critical parent. No fun!
                        69yo male T12 complete since 1995
                        NW NJ

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                          #42
                          Like just about every company who makes a product, the Roho cushions come with limited warranties that cover workmanship and defective materials, but does not cover an item if it has been abused, misused, subject to accident or damage or due to natural disasters. I have used Roho cushions for over 25 years and have had only 3 times when I exercised the warranty process. Proper use and care are the responsibility of the user. Lecture over!

                          This cartoon appeared in our Sunday Comics this morning. Thought this might be appropriate and diffuse some of the tension here.

                          Red & Rover by Brian Bassett, Mercury News Sunday, June 30, 2019
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                          Last edited by gjnl; 30 Jun 2019, 2:23 PM.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                            This cartoon appeared in our Sunday Comics this morning. Thought this might be appropriate and diffuse some of the tension here.

                            Red & Rover by Brian Bassett, Mercury News Sunday, June 30, 2019
                            https://www.gocomics.com/redandrover/2019/06/30

                            (KLD)
                            The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                              #44
                              Yep. As the guy who kicked the whole thing off, I was mostly being tongue-n-cheek. I don't hate cats, but I do strongly dislike them when they pop my $500 cushion.


                              Originally posted by slow_runner View Post
                              From where I sit this thread is just blokes chewing fat and pissing in the fire telling their tales over a beer. Nothing to get tits in a tangle over.
                              My Roho has a pin hole at #4 on the fifth row from the rear. I cannot blame the cat because she got run over years back. Nor the dog because I sit on my cushion, not him. Plus Lewis hasn't been allowed inside since he took to pissing on occasion. Nor welding or cutting cause I use my outside run chair for that carry on.
                              It could be my dropping weight onto it when transferring?
                              Is that a legitimate acceptable cause for a puncture??
                              Should I take full responsibility or blame the .......?
                              Bugger! I have only myself to blame for this ......with Roho as accessory to the fact. Yeah, I said that right
                              Anyway, life is fucked up enough when it is spent in a chair, without getting all twisted ,upset and protective when people are just spending time recounting their experiences.
                              "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                              "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by SCI-Nurse View Post
                                Thanks KLD for your speedy correction to my post when you didn't see the Attached Image. I hit Post Quick Reply by mistake and was in the process of editing and correcting my post when you attached the link to the cartoon.

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