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    #16
    Originally posted by McDuff View Post
    I've got a '16 Sienna it is my 2nd van and have only bottomed out a few times, usually because I didn't see the bump/dip/etc in time to slow down. I have never bottomed out when going slow over speed bumps/humps or anything. My brother has a ranch in OK with gravel roads that are good and bad depending if he has refurb'ed them lately, and the van goes up the hills and over bumps with no problem.

    I have to add this; just earlier today I had this email convo with a very good friend, he was my best man at wedding, and he was asking why I didn't go for a truck(I loved my trucks prior to sci):

    (I edited out some @#$% words)
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    I tried hard to want to go for a truck instead of a minivan again, believe me. Too many "what abouts"

    Those trucks you saw are meant to be driven from your wheelchair, even though they show seats in the spot, you roll onto that platform and it lifts you up. I want out of my chair for trips, plus my chair has no head restraint so if I get rear ended, I'm @#$%. Plus you have to add a 15lb bracket on the bottom of your chair that latches your chair down.

    There are seats that swivel out and down so that you can transfer from chair to seat and go back up and in, almost like OEM seat. Problem is, then you got to do something with your chair. My chair doesn't fold so it won't fit in the cab, not like I want to haul the thing in anyway, even though some people do.

    They make remote control hoists that mount in the corner of the bed that will swivel and come down, hook your chair on and it will load it into the bed.
    Shit, now chair is out of reach, forgot to get my wallet out of it. @#$%#
    Shit, now it's raining, chairs all wet. @#$%

    There is a special cab-height bed cover, it is hinged all along the passenger side and is remote controlled to lift up out of the way, then you use the hoist to put your chair in, then you close the cover.
    Shit, forgot my wallet again. @#$%

    Systems are slow as hell.
    Now have 3 special systems by 3 different companies, seat, hoist, cover. One of them stops working, I'm @#$% and stuck, maybe halfway up in the air.
    All told, that is as expensive as minivan mods done by one company.

    And, you still get wet or can't transfer in the rain. Or it's 105 outside while you're doing all this. My van, I can hit the fob button, time it so I hit the ramp as it hits the ground, and I'm inside high and dry, with a/c blowing while I transfer from my chair to the driver seat.

    Being the old comfort loving asshole I am, the minivan won again. :-)

    Whew, you think I didn't try for a truck? :-)

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    i always had big 4wheeldrive trucks pre sci too but agree with you on the truck now
    to alcohol the cause of-and solution to-all of lifes problems [homer simpson]

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      #17
      Originally posted by Andy View Post
      I'm thinking you probably don't want to drive from a wheelchair, so you will be transferring anyway. So how about this idea...Ford Transit Connect in LWB flavor. I looked at one and that would work pretty good I think for transferring into the driver seat, then pulling the entire wheelchair assembled through the side door behind the driver's seat. Just add a strap or whatnot to pull the side door closed (no auto close on those afaik). They have passenger varieties so you don't look like a plumber (or look like a plumber and get a van cheap)
      have you ever ridden in one?

      they remind me of a postal truck.

      if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

      at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

      in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
      Jim, MA, MMET
      Bridgewater, MA

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        #18
        Originally posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
        have you ever ridden in one?

        they remind me of a postal truck.

        if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

        at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

        in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
        LOL. No, I haven't ridden in one, just sat in one and pulled the wheelchair into the back. It didn't strike me as refined, but its redeeming value was the seat height compared to other minivans. But it's euro-stylish!

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          #19
          Originally posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
          have you ever ridden in one?

          they remind me of a postal truck.

          if they were 1/2 the price maybe just because of the price point.

          at a price anywhere near that of a mini van, no way.

          in stead of diving one of you cars how about a yugo, a 1982 granada or ford escort.
          Speaking of riding like a postal truck, I rode in a Town and Country conversion as a passenger sitting in the back seat just to evaluate the ride. It was loud and rough. Couldn't even sit comfortably without having to brace myself. I think it was 5 years old. My Econoline that is 27 years old has a much smoother and quieter ride.

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            #20
            I have a van and a truck, converted with Bruno equipment, not the All Terrain conversion or the other company in Indiana. Both the van and the truck have pro's and con's.

            Pick Up

            Much nicer to drive, goes anywhere, side room required to go in and out is much less, plus there is room to carry anything. Con's, this conversion takes waay too much time to go in and out, rear seat is useable but not the greatest comfort.

            Van

            My van is an E 150 2006 with 22,000 miles though, with a braun lift. Very easy to go in and out, transfer to seat is done privately inside the van, transfer directly into one or two step sidewalk or path and in and out is much quicker and easier than my truck. On the con side, it is a clunker as it rides like a work van, rattles, and if you do not have the side room you are out of luck.

            Hope it helps.
            T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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              #21
              Found this vintage video on You Tube. Thirty-six years ago, when I got my first van, a Ford Econoline, this was the type of lift the converter put in. It was called a Golden Boy. The conversion included lowering the floor behind the front seats a bit so I didn't struggles ducking my head out the door like the fellow in the video. Thirty-six years ago was before the advent of the "compact car" parking space. The van could park in a full sized parking space with a car next to it and still swivel out with some room to spare between the lift and the car beside the van. Thirty-six years ago, not many parking garages could accommodate the height of the full sized van. Six feet, eight inches was about the best accommodation you could get. Now most garages have at least one section that will accommodate over seven feet. But, I find being restricted to one section of a garage is inconvenient, if all the handicapped spaces there are occupied. I prefer the mini van that allows access to other parts of a garage with more handicapped spaces available.

              I don't know why the swivel lift was discontinued.

              The Golden Boy Wheelchair Lift

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXvKJx-oU8

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                #22
                Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                , I find being restricted to one section of a garage is inconvenient, if all the handicapped spaces there are occupied. I prefer the mini van that allows access to other parts of a garage with more handicapped spaces available.
                Good point. The size also means I can't park it in my own garage and it is more difficult to maneuver. It gets 11 mpg, which is terrible. But I still prefer a full size van over a minvan because of the ramp for several reasons: 1) The purpose of the van is to spare my shoulders so I prefer a lift over a ramp, 2) you will spill things on your lap going up a ramp but not a lift, 3) kneeling system = more parts = less reliability, and 4) the cost of the minivan conversion is lost with the van. Let's say you pay $20K for the minivan conversion and the van gets totaled. You are out not only the cost of the minivan but also the $20K cost of the conversion. If you rely on insurance, your premiums are way higher. With a full size van and no collision insurance (obviously has to be an older one to pass on the collision coverage), the money I save in just a few years on my insurance premiums (several thousand dollars) provides enough funds to move the lift to a different van.

                I would chose a minivan if it had a lift.

                Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                I don't know why the swivel lift was discontinued.
                I like that. Gives more parking options. You may still find a similar lift made by Braun. They are discontinued but I have seen newer vans that have them for sale.
                Last edited by August West; 14 Mar 2019, 4:44 PM.

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                  #23
                  Not quite following you on the first setup; you talking about an outside under-lift maybe? Not a whole lot of move around space in the back of a truck.

                  I have a power chair I use when I plan on boatloads of rolling like the State Fair or something, or if I plan on going offroad a bunch. Just not my everyday use chair and wouldn't want to limit my driving to "only" a power chair usage. This could change if/when I have to move to power only later on.

                  Originally posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
                  how about a truck you use a lift to get in on the passenger side, go through the back seat and seeing as you don't want to drive from a wheelchair slide over into a transfer seat.

                  also why not drive from a power wheelchair that has a seat similar or identical to a quality drivers seat?
                  "a T10, who'd Rather be ridin'; than rollin'"

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                    #24
                    I agree! When I was shopping, I test "rode" as a front passenger in all 3 brands of minivans, all of them '16 models. The T&C still rode like a truck just like my '05 T&C, I couldn't believe they still find that acceptable over 10 years later. The Honda was the smoothest with the Toyota just below it, Toyota has best acceleration. My tie-breaker, the upper end converted Honda's lost all the front cupholders, still had 2 in the Toyota.

                    Originally posted by August West View Post
                    Speaking of riding like a postal truck, I rode in a Town and Country conversion as a passenger sitting in the back seat just to evaluate the ride. It was loud and rough. Couldn't even sit comfortably without having to brace myself. I think it was 5 years old. My Econoline that is 27 years old has a much smoother and quieter ride.
                    "a T10, who'd Rather be ridin'; than rollin'"

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                      #25
                      That was a sweet looking setup, big parking space saver for sure. Maybe they were too limited in the length of chairs it could handle and still swing ya out the door and lost market, especially with power chairs.

                      Originally posted by gjnl View Post

                      I don't know why the swivel lift was discontinued.

                      The Golden Boy Wheelchair Lift

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXvKJx-oU8
                      "a T10, who'd Rather be ridin'; than rollin'"

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Automotive Innovations View Post
                        also why not drive from a power wheelchair that has a seat similar or identical to a quality drivers seat?
                        Because your upper torso, neck, and shoulders have restricted range of motion. Doesn't matter for driving. But matters otherwise.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by McDuff View Post
                          Not quite following you on the first setup; you talking about an outside under-lift maybe? Not a whole lot of move around space in the back of a truck.

                          I have a power chair I use when I plan on boatloads of rolling like the State Fair or something, or if I plan on going offroad a bunch. Just not my everyday use chair and wouldn't want to limit my driving to "only" a power chair usage. This could change if/when I have to move to power only later on.
                          you got it.

                          passengers side uvl.

                          its a pretty slick set up. if its ok with the owner i'll more than likely do some video of him getting in, out, locking down and driving.
                          Jim, MA, MMET
                          Bridgewater, MA

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                            #28
                            How about an unmodified minivan with Adapt Solutions XL board and a Speedylift? They’re on YouTube.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                              Found this vintage video on You Tube. Thirty-six years ago, when I got my first van, a Ford Econoline, this was the type of lift the converter put in. It was called a Golden Boy. The conversion included lowering the floor behind the front seats a bit so I didn't struggles ducking my head out the door like the fellow in the video. Thirty-six years ago was before the advent of the "compact car" parking space. The van could park in a full sized parking space with a car next to it and still swivel out with some room to spare between the lift and the car beside the van. Thirty-six years ago, not many parking garages could accommodate the height of the full sized van. Six feet, eight inches was about the best accommodation you could get. Now most garages have at least one section that will accommodate over seven feet. But, I find being restricted to one section of a garage is inconvenient, if all the handicapped spaces there are occupied. I prefer the mini van that allows access to other parts of a garage with more handicapped spaces available.

                              I don't know why the swivel lift was discontinued.

                              The Golden Boy Wheelchair Lift

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXvKJx-oU8
                              I had two of the swing-out lifts. They were great!
                              "It is every man's obligation to put back into the world at least the equivalent of what he takes out of it. Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value." - Albert Einstein

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                                #30
                                seems the toyota and pacifica are populer any reason dodge caravans arent mentioned much arent they kinda the same as a pacifica just not as fancy
                                to alcohol the cause of-and solution to-all of lifes problems [homer simpson]

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