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    i have an old hand me down jazzy i use for out in the yard i just bought new batteries from batteries plus in march havent used the thing a whole lot and now the batteries are going dead fairly fast anyone else have issues with this i think there just bad batteries im gonna take them back i charge it once a week unless im using it
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  • #2
    what group size are they. did you get deep cycle batteries?
    Art

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wheelin 48 View Post
      i have an old hand me down jazzy i use for out in the yard i just bought new batteries from batteries plus in march havent used the thing a whole lot and now the batteries are going dead fairly fast anyone else have issues with this i think there just bad batteries im gonna take them back i charge it once a week unless im using it

      Sometimes they sell cheap batteries and one made from China and expect quality and long lasting use?

      Whats the brand?

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      • #4
        Batteries Plus here usually carry good brand batteries. They did go from Werker to Duracell a few years back. Did you go with AGM, SLA or Gels?
        Did you break them in?
        Do you exercise them at least once a week or so to at least run down to 50%?
        Have you gotta the battery connections checked?
        Have you used different know good charger to rule out bad charger?
        Have had load test on batteries?
        Did you make sure they sold you deep cycle and not starting batteries? Why ask a local battery store was selling U1 lawn mower batteries for U1 to scooter and powerchair users. Those batteries had short life, store said had 1 year warranty til many taking back that warranty went to 6 months. But they were cheap batteries, as well, like $29 and change each.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wheelin 48 View Post
          i have an old hand me down jazzy i use for out in the yard i just bought new batteries from batteries plus in march havent used the thing a whole lot and now the batteries are going dead fairly fast anyone else have issues with this i think there just bad batteries im gonna take them back i charge it once a week unless im using it
          How are you deciding that they are "going dead fairly fast"?

          Does the gas gauge dip (significantly) when you apply load and then "spring back"? When it has "sprung back", is it showing a low state of charge or a "good" state of charge?

          If possible, examine your entire wiring harness from battery to motor controller. Pay attention to the battery posts (if you can "move" the wire, then the connection is "loose" and needs to be tightened). Also unplug battery and motor connectors (from the motor controller) and examine their contact surfaces for signs of corrosion.

          [Ideally, you would want to monitor the voltage ON the battery posts as you applied load. If the battery is good but the wiring/connections are faulty, the voltage will remain relatively stable. OTOH, if you monitor the voltage on the WIRES, you may see voltage drops (droop) caused by flakey connections.]

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          • #6
            https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/slag12=31j

            is what i got from them there a duracell gelbattery the things just dont seem to be holding a charge after a half mile trip around my neighborhood all 3 green indicator lights are gone and im in the prange its a jazzy1113ats it has a meter on back were charger is and it shows half used i think these are just bad batteries
            Last edited by wheelin 48; 11-07-2018, 05:18 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Art454 View Post
              what group size are they. did you get deep cycle batteries?

              https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/slag12=31j

              i got 2 of them cost 250 something i trying to find reciept
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              • #8
                https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/slag12=31j

                there duracell gel batteries i dont have the manual but gel batteries came out of it is what they said at batteries plus
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RollPositive View Post
                  Sometimes they sell cheap batteries and one made from China and expect quality and long lasting use?

                  Whats the brand?
                  duracell deep cycle gel batteries
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wheelin 48 View Post
                    https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/slag12=31j

                    is what i got from them there a duracell gelbattery the things just dont seem to be holding a charge after a half mile trip around my neighborhood all 3 green indicator lights are gone and im in the prange its a jazzy1113ats it has a meter on back were charger is and it shows half used i think these are just bad batteries
                    Quick and simple get them to do a load test on both batteries. If found to be defective and within warranty they will replace with same type battery.
                    Also, a Jazzy 1113 ATS is getting a bit long in the tooth, as they say.
                    Your onboard charger may be losing it's usefulness, too.
                    One good these on Jazzy you can use a off board charger via plugin connector for programer/off board charging port on front of controller/joystick.
                    In case you don't have maunal(Page 33 on charging via joystick):
                    https://www.pridemobility.com/pdf/ow...113_ats_om.pdf
                    Also, check battery harness to make sure it's secured properly to each battery post, diagram shound be on frame, too. Due age of chair the wire harness may be having broken wires at junctions or in bends due to age and brittle state.
                    I have had 3 Jazzy 1100s and often used the programmer connection for off board charging without problems. Each one of those tanks at some point of their life the onboard charger was toast.
                    "Good Luck!"

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                    • #11
                      thanks ill check it out i may wait as the warranty isnt out till march i dont use it in the winter
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wheelin 48 View Post
                        https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/slag12=31j

                        is what i got from them there a duracell gelbattery the things just dont seem to be holding a charge after a half mile trip around my neighborhood all 3 green indicator lights are gone and im in the prange its a jazzy1113ats it has a meter on back were charger is and it shows half used i think these are just bad batteries
                        Likely so -- unless the batteries are the wrong "chemistry" for the charger. Or, the charger is defective.

                        [Different battery chemistries require different charging algorithms and voltages]

                        It sure would be nice if manufacturers would make it possible to examine actual battery (pack) voltages instead of just dumbing things down to idiot lights (and requiring a service visit to get a tech to check the actual voltages).

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                        • #13
                          well t left me stranded out in the driveway today no lights on exept the speed indicator lights and they flash back and forth my buddy pushed it in plugged in battery is now fully charged orat least the meter dropped to zero still wont even move when he has time were gonna return the batteries and check the charger output i did find this on board charger online

                          https://www.monsterscooterparts.com/...40amponb1.html

                          couldnt really find any off board chargers for the jazzy11113 ats ill keep looking
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                          • #14
                            how do i check the charger to see if its good the meter does work on it does that mean its working
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                            • #15
                              The easiest way that I know of is to connect the charger and test the batteries with a volt meter, you should be getting at least 14 volts. If you have an onboard charger, and if there's a 3 pin port on the joystick module you can connect the voltage meter at that location. Connect the leads to the the two ports that are inline with each other.
                              Last edited by Rustyjames; 11-17-2018, 05:25 PM.

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