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  • Battery cost and replacement with NuMotion

    Hoping somebody might now the answer...

    CMS/Medicare approves $328 for 2 batteries for power chair replacement, customer pays 20% of roughly $65.

    Wondering if anyone know what DME like NuMotion still bills know the max they will get is $328 why they bill at MSRP of $900 plus?


  • #2
    Perhaps you pay 20% of the billed amount of 900.00. I don't think it's what they receive but the amount they bill. I trust a dme will clear it up.

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    • #3
      I ain't bright person and I know it.
      But the way I understand the way it goes is if a DME accepts Medicare Assignment then you only pay 20% of allowed price, if you have already met your deductible. If you have a MedGap policy that covers durable medical equipment you may have no out of pocket.
      Last time tried DME they suggested we buy our own batteries out-of-pocket because they didn't make enough to cover their cost.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MikeP2013 View Post
        I ain't bright person and I know it.
        But the way I understand the way it goes is if a DME accepts Medicare Assignment then you only pay 20% of allowed price, if you have already met your deductible. If you have a MedGap policy that covers durable medical equipment you may have no out of pocket.
        Last time tried DME they suggested we buy our own batteries out-of-pocket because they didn't make enough to cover their cost.
        Oh no way if a DME told me that...I could careless about their profit!

        But my point is I got the batteries in Dec and I understand I pay my 20% which is $65 but what I dont get is why a DME would bill $900 plus knowing they are only getting $328

        NuMotion is being shady I just haven't figure how yet...

        Please dont ever pay cash for batteries always fund them and change them once a year!

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        • #5
          NuMotion probably charges by the hour. Since it often takes them an eternity to do anything...

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          • #6
            Tax write-off on 'losses'

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Andy View Post
              Tax write-off on 'losses'
              Most likely you are correct.
              However, I also doubt that DME does not make a profit on Medicare Allowable charges, too. Like a triple winn, profit on allowable amount, profit on 20% co-payment and benefit from tax write-off at an ever greater amount, as well.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by landrover View Post
                NuMotion probably charges by the hour. Since it often takes them an eternity to do anything...
                Again, I know I ain't bright person but think "Service Charge" with minimum 1 hr is charged on everything now-a-days.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RollPositive View Post
                  Oh no way if a DME told me that...I could careless about their profit!

                  But my point is I got the batteries in Dec and I understand I pay my 20% which is $65 but what I dont get is why a DME would bill $900 plus knowing they are only getting $328

                  NuMotion is being shady I just haven't figure how yet...

                  Please dont ever pay cash for batteries always fund them and change them once a year!
                  Like posted, I ain't bright.
                  Original DME we got last covered equipment from sold to national company and tried them but gave up on them.
                  But around here it's still old way of if DME don't sell you equipment they won't touch it under Medicare, most times not even out-of-pocket parts.
                  Last batteries we got was bought through SpinLife shipped to our home and neighbor came over on off day to install.
                  My wife's daily chair finally making to much of mess leaking and both of us didn't want hunt for new DME so we bought a used one off OfferUp. Changed out cushion and back with old chair and been doing OK, so far.(knock wood)
                  "Good Luck" with figuring out your DME.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Andy View Post
                    Tax write-off on 'losses'
                    That makes sense too!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MikeP2013 View Post
                      Like posted, I ain't bright.
                      Original DME we got last covered equipment from sold to national company and tried them but gave up on them.
                      But around here it's still old way of if DME don't sell you equipment they won't touch it under Medicare, most times not even out-of-pocket parts.
                      Last batteries we got was bought through SpinLife shipped to our home and neighbor came over on off day to install.
                      My wife's daily chair finally making to much of mess leaking and both of us didn't want hunt for new DME so we bought a used one off OfferUp. Changed out cushion and back with old chair and been doing OK, so far.(knock wood)
                      "Good Luck" with figuring out your DME.
                      Mike message me I can help...battery replacement doesn't have anything to do with warranty work.

                      You just have to have a specific chair registered with Medicare as your main driver.

                      Then you have the DME replace them and they bill medicare and they you get your bill for $60+

                      Your not charged extra for install cost that is part of the $328 cost Medicare covers.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RollPositive View Post
                        Mike message me I can help...battery replacement doesn't have anything to do with warranty work.

                        You just have to have a specific chair registered with Medicare as your main driver.

                        Then you have the DME replace them and they bill medicare and they you get your bill for $60+

                        Your not charged extra for install cost that is part of the $328 cost Medicare covers.
                        Before we bought batteries out-of-pocket on Medicare covered chairs I called 2 DMEs that are in our rural community. First question after ask about battery replacement was if the chairs were bought through them. They said they only serviced what they sold to contact original DME.
                        Ask about new chairs but neither dealt with complex rehab chairs. Said they only sold basic powerchairs and scooters. Think they said basic powerchairs were Group 2.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RollPositive View Post
                          Hoping somebody might now the answer...

                          CMS/Medicare approves $328 for 2 batteries for power chair replacement, customer pays 20% of roughly $65.

                          Wondering if anyone know what DME like NuMotion still bills know the max they will get is $328 why they bill at MSRP of $900 plus?
                          • Medicare wants to feel like they've "got a deal" (for the taxpayers)
                          • Chair buyer wants to feel like he got a deal ("$900 worth of batteries for JUST $65!")
                          • Bean counter writes off the "loss" against profits
                          • The "impression" that this is not a casual purchase that you might want to make at your local "Radio Shack"
                          • Further reinforces the impression of the chair's (original) "value" (price)
                          • Non-medicare purchases now can get dinged $900 (or, cut the guy a "special deal" and only charge him $800!)
                          • The DME's set the standard for "usual and customary" -- not the customer!


                          Powerchair batteries tend to also have labor costs factored in. It's not like buying batteries for your flashlight at any of dozens of outlets around town (that don't have to make available "installers" to replace them for you). And, the labor can vary significantly between chairs.

                          Go to lab for bloodwork. Lab bills your insurance $700. Yet, is willing to settle for $15 (and, in fact, made money at that!)

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