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    #16
    I'm a c3c4 quad. I'm on my second Quickie 646SE. Before that I had a Quickie 636. I haven't had any serious problems with any of them.

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      #17
      "Lone Beagle"

      Do you have private insurance or Medicare? If you have Medicare, you will need a lot of physical/occupational therapist and physician support and justification to get into a group 3 or 4 power chair. Private insurance may cut you more slack than Medicare. Justification about your shoulder injury is going to be crucial to funding and getting you into the chair that may be the best fit and choice for you.

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        #18
        I am Polio paralyzed and in my mid 70's, got a ZX1 scooter about 4 years ago and love it. I had started having problems pushing my chair outdoors, such as from my van to shopping, restaurant, etc. This device was in the process of being sold to Spinergy and I think I was one of the early customers to purchase from them. They provided excellent help when I needed tinkering on it. I have had NO problems with it and had lithium batteries added and "snow" tires (left them on as they worked well on grass).

        I use it every time I go outdoors, and disconnect when I get home, placing it indoors. On days when my bad behaving shoulder is painful I get into it for tooling around the house. In the recent past I underwent almost daily PT and OT for eight weeks for my left shoulder (about 70 years of transfers causing arthritis and bone spurs and I'm not surgery candidate). Post therapy I have about 80% less pain and must continue exercise daily or pain will recur. I use a prescription gel in addition to alternating ibuprofen and acetaminophen.

        I'm stating these therapeutic measures as I'm wondering if you will experience significant improvement after therapy, and that may determine what sort of mobility device you choose. For instance, if you can transfer safely to a van seat you may be able to use the ZX1. If not, you may need to consider driving a van from a power chair. (Note: no one to my knowledge has perfected a safe tie-down for driving from ZX1.)
        Suggest you wait for completion of therapy for a final decision. In short, I would think you'd want to start thinking about a van, at the least. Any shoulder-saving techniques are so important, in addition to an exercise program you can do yourself daily, provided by your therapists. I did road racing for years and never had pain or discomfort in my shoulders, it was the aging process and continued transfers that got to me.
        Very best to you.

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          #19
          Thanks all. I wanted well informed when I hit the PT/OT functional evaluation and you have all helped. I am hoping to be able to go with a power add on but will probably still need to go back to a van as the seat transfers are much easier than getting in and out of my Mazda5. Damn, I like driving that Mazda! The physiatrist is leaning toward an electric chair and driving from it. We will see. As I have said, I am "fortunate" to have been hurt on the job so funding is not a huge issue. That did take 15 years and catching the insurance company trying something illegal but I can get anything an MD says I need.

          Thanks again,
          John

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            #20
            Originally posted by gjnl View Post
            Here is a short explanation of the different drive configurations from Spin Life: https://www.spinlife.com/en/drivewhe...eelchairs2.cfm

            You will likely find as many opinions about which drive is best as there are users. Currently the two most popular and available drive bases are Mid and Rear Wheel drives.

            A good place to start is with an evaluation by a physical or occupational therapist. The therapist may have recommendations for durable medical equipment suppliers in your area, where you can get demonstration models to try. The longer you can use the demo models the better to find a chair that suits your needs.


            Drive Wheel Differences on Power Wheelchairs

            Your specific needs determine which drive wheel is a good buy for you.


            The drive wheels of a power wheelchair are connected to the motor. There are three drive wheel types, rear-wheel drive, mid-wheel drive and front-wheel drive, each of which are ideal for a certain type of user and needs. Each drive wheel type has its own driving and handling characteristics, turning radii, and advantages and disadvantages. Below is a brief overview of the different drive types.

            Rear-Wheel Drive
            The original drive type, rear-wheel drive power chairs are some of the most stable chairs on the market. This type of chair has the highest top speeds available, as well as the largest turning radius. Note that with rear-wheel drive chairs, going up steep hills will cause the chair to lean back on the anti-tip tubes to assist in preventing the chair from tipping backward.

            Front-Wheel Drive
            In this type of chair, the drive wheels are actually in front of your seat. A sturdy solution for uneven terrain and up and down hills, front-wheel drive chairs can easily climb over small obstacles. Most of the chair is behind you with this type, so remaining aware of what is behind you is key. Think of this drive type like a forklift. The overall speed of this drive type is slower, because it can fishtail at higher speeds.

            Mid-Wheel Drive
            While in this type of chair, your center of gravity is about even with the center of the drive wheels, so they are essentially under you. With mid-wheel chairs, there is an equal amount of the chair in front of and behind you, making it ideal for maneuvering in smaller spaces. Unlike front-wheel drive chairs, this type of chair is not ideal for varied, uneven terrain with steep transitions. There is a possibility of you getting ?stuck? on the front or rear casters; suspending the drive wheels so they have no contact with the ground.

            Front-Wheel Drive
            In this type of chair, the drive wheels are actually in front of your seat. A sturdy solution for uneven terrain and up and down hills, front-wheel drive chairs can easily climb over small obstacles. Most of the chair is behind you with this type, so remaining aware of what is behind you is key. Think of this drive type like a forklift. The overall speed of this drive type is slower, because it can fishtail at higher speeds.


            This information is sure wrong being a rear wheel rider, then mid wheel and now front wheel the speed is the same 6 mph which is the same for most class 3 power chairs.

            Back in the day when there was only rear wheel drives when we all moved in to mid wheel we all complained about the fish tailing and clipping things with the back castors but after a few months the feeling was gone and business as usual!

            Now with technolgy and gyroscope in front wheel drive chairs the stability is there! Once you get over the learning curve front wheel drives they out maneuver mid wheels and no fear of getting stuck, and dont have the wide turning issues of rear wheel!

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              #21
              Originally posted by gjnl View Post
              Most comments about Quantum would be pejorative.

              You'll get lots of positive comments about Permobil M3 (mid wheel drive) and F3 (front wheel drive).

              Invacare is in and out of trouble and design remediation with the FDA (seems like for years and years) so lots of people avoid those bases.

              There are a few other power wheelchair manufacturers around, but they don't generally represent a strong presence in the marketplace.

              All that said, I am talking generally about the United States and various regions in the U.S. will have a stronger representation and preference for one or two manufacturers over others.

              Pride and the Quantum chairs are the biggest crap chairs around...cheap parts, lots of plastic, motors burn out easy the list goes on and on.

              I came from Pride Blast 850, 2 Pride 6000's Pride 6000z, Pride Edge 1.0 all but the Blast 15+ years ago have major fails.

              Pride also took a bad turn at the customers expense and started using NF 22 size batteries to cut cost and this gave the customer a terrible experience with only 5-7 total miles per charge.

              But insisted these batteries provided enough miles per charge customers even though customer had been complaining!


              The complaining got so bad Pride shut down both customer focused websites leaving customer nowhere to voice concerns!

              http://ownersclub.pridemobility.com

              http://www.wheelchairjunkie.com this now routes you to a Pride employees personal blog page and is one sides you cant voice concerns or product questions any more.

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                #22
                As you can see from postings above, "Lone Beagle," as I mentioned...opinions abound...you have to understand the technology for yourself, test drive as many configurations of power chairs as you can, and make up your mind about what chair is right for you, especially considering that you are not the typical Group 3 or 4 power wheelchair user.

                That said, some chair manufacturers are better than others. But then again...that research is up to you. I've read on these pages that some people are very happy with their Quantum chairs, and as expressed above...some are not.

                As a Group 3 wheelchair user, I was not impressed by the Quantum...but ... that is what it is ... opinion.

                Similarly...I'm not impressed by or a big fan of Front Wheel Drive power chairs for my circumstance. But, you will find people who will try to cram their preference down your throat. It comes down to each his own choice, in his own circumstances.
                Last edited by gjnl; 23 Apr 2018, 1:13 AM.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                  As you can see from postings above, "Lone Beagle," as I mentioned...opinions abound...you have to understand the technology for yourself, test drive as many configurations of power chairs as you can, and make up your mind about what chair is right for you, especially considering that you are not the typical Group 3 or 4 power wheelchair user.

                  That said, some chair manufacturers are better than others. But then again...that research is up to you. I've read on these pages that some people are very happy with their Quantum chairs, and as expressed above...some are not.

                  As a Group 3 wheelchair user, I was not impressed by the Quantum...but ... that is what it is ... opinion.

                  Similarly...I'm not impressed by or a big fan of Front Wheel Drive power chairs for my circumstance. But, you will find people who will try to cram their preference down your throat. It comes down to each his own choice, in his own circumstances.
                  Interesting...I dont see anyone "cramming" I see a lot of people giving great input thats what make forums useful.

                  But I think you mistake passion for "cramming" I like you had an order for a m300, I had a used m300 that I bought do to the Pride Edge leaving my stranded on vacation in Manhattan.

                  Soon as I got back to Phx I bought used m300 with 5 miles on it and used and liked if for a year.

                  So I funded a new one that was smaller and fit me better. 1/2 way in to the order I had a nagging feeling if I didnt try an F3 or F5 I would always wonder.

                  All the so called experts said I would hate it, ATP and OT and PT...Permobil brought one to my house and I took off on a 10 mile roll to the mall.

                  I must have felt falling forward feeling a dozen times but knew it was in my head and not the chair.

                  When I got home I canceled the m300 and put in for a Permobil F3 and have been working endlessly with others on front wheel drive misconceptions and with Permobil and NuMotion.

                  If you call that cramming...guilty as charged but to get emails and text from those I help get chairs funded makes it so worth the manufacture and industry frustrations advocating for others.

                  The smoothness of a front wheel drive and not having to worry about getting stuck like one can in a mid wheel drive gives added security and added independence.

                  But if front wheel drive is not comfortable by all means the M3 and M5 are great alternatives!

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                    #24
                    I bought two used quantums because they're cheap. I have nothing else to compare to. I use my manual still at home, but the power outside. Have a car, can't afford a van.
                    Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                    T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                      #25
                      62 year old and in manual chair for 40 years. right should wore out so went to power chair (permobile f3) should of done it a few years before and might of saved my shoulder some. Best thing i ever did, i have more energy and look forward to going out, where before between pain and lack of energy i would just rather stay home. Had to go to a van but that has worked well also. Holler if you have questions. Im still going to PT therapist to get my shoulder pain under control. Good luck.

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                        #26
                        The most frustrating thing is not being able to fix it myself. The manual chair is like a bicycle and therefore, easy to fix. The power chair? I can't even tip it over to change a tire it's so heavy. Filling the tires with air is challenging as well.
                        Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                        T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
                          The most frustrating thing is not being able to fix it myself. The manual chair is like a bicycle and therefore, easy to fix. The power chair? I can't even tip it over to change a tire it's so heavy. Filling the tires with air is challenging as well.
                          Filling tires with air? My Permobil m300 does not require filling the tires with air.

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                            #28
                            Prefer air for the horrendous uneven sidewalks after a particularly bad winter in Canada.
                            Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                            T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                              #29
                              I switched to power chair 2 years ago. It was the best decision I ever made. Opened a whole new world to me. The downside transportation. I have the permobil vs.

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                                #30
                                I am already wishing I had done it earlier. Using my right had to turn a light switch on and off is painful.

                                off to the HealthSouth Clinic in Charlottesville next week.

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