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    Hello,

    Yesterday I went in to do my measurements for my first wheelchair. Order form is filled out.. just wanted to check in here and see if there are is anything majorly wrong with it. I have studied the order form quite a bit, and knew pretty much what I wanted and the sizes for everything before going in.. and I had pretty much the same measurements that they did already. For reference I am 5'10" 130ish lbs

    Here it is:

    Tilite ZRA
    Satin finish
    Matte paint (Black Lava)
    Colour anodize - Black
    Rear seat width - 15"
    Seat taper - no taper
    Seat depth - 16"
    Front seat height - 18"
    Rear seat height - 16"
    Front angle - 85deg
    Seat to footrest - 16"
    Angle adjustable foortest
    V-front end
    Footrest width - 9.5"
    Seat back - Folding aluminum adjustable height
    Back release bar - aluminum
    No push handles
    Seat back height - short (8.5" - 11.5")
    Seat back that locks when folded
    4" deep backrest rigidizer bar
    Seat back angle - 92deg
    Center of Gravity - 3"
    Camber - 2deg
    Aluminum camber tube
    Rear wheel spacing - 1"
    Adjustable rear wheel spacing camber plugs
    Additional spacers to increase rear wheel spacing
    Front wheels - LiteSpeed billet aluminum wheel w/ soft roll tire black hub
    Forks - Tilite slipstream single sided fork
    Rear wheels - Spinergy LX Black 24"
    Axles - Stainless quick release
    Rear tires - 24" Schwalbe marathon plus evolution
    Handrims - The Surge
    Handrim tab length - Short
    Wheel locks - Composite scissor lock
    Back upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps - Padded nylon
    Seat upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps
    Side guards - Carbon fiber rigid removable small
    Calf strap - Bodypoint padded velcro adjustable small

    Keep in mind I am an active user. Will be hauling this in and out of my vehicle multiple times a day. Want to make sure I'm getting everything right. Any comments are appreciated. Will be using a supracor stimulite cushion with this. I have to wait till April till I can get the CAD drawing for it because that is when I will have insurance.. so if there is anything I should change now is the time
    Last edited by sflo0; 03-22-2018, 12:25 PM.
    complete t6. injured skiing nov 2017.

  • #2
    I found with Tilite to always add an inch to the frame extension to add more room to grab when transferring in and out. I didn't realize they did a CAD drawing for their adjustable chairs such as the ZRA. I found the ZRA tubing was too thick for my liking and went with a TR for less flexing and smaller diameter tubing; for you would be the TrA.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sflo0 View Post
      Hello,

      Yesterday I went in to do my measurements for my first wheelchair. Order form is filled out.. just wanted to check in here and see if there are is anything majorly wrong with it. I have studied the order form quite a bit, and knew pretty much what I wanted and the sizes for everything before going in.. and I had pretty much the same measurements that they did already. For reference I am 5'10" 130ish lbs

      Here it is:

      Tilite ZRA
      Satin finish
      Matte paint (Black Lava)
      Colour anodize - Black
      Rear seat width - 15"
      Seat taper - no taper
      Seat depth - 16"
      Front seat height - 18"
      Rear seat height - 16"
      Front angle - 85?
      Seat to footrest - 16"
      Angle adjustable foortest
      V-front end
      Footrest width - 9.5"
      Seat back - Folding aluminum adjustable height
      Back release bar - aluminum
      No push handles
      Seat back height - short (8.5" - 11.5")
      Seat back that locks when folded
      4" deep backrest rigidizer bar
      Seat back angle - 92?
      Center of Gravity - 3"
      Camber - 2?
      Aluminum camber tube
      Rear wheel spacing - 1"
      Adjustable rear wheel spacing camber plugs
      Additional spacers to increase rear wheel spacing
      Front wheels - LiteSpeed billet aluminum wheel w/ soft roll tire black hub
      Forks - Tilite slipstream single sided fork
      Rear wheels - Spinergy LX Black 24"
      Axles - Stainless quick release
      Rear tires - 24" Schwalbe marathon plus evolution
      Handrims - The Surge
      Handrim tab length - Short
      Wheel locks - Composite scissor lock
      Back upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps - Padded nylon
      Seat upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps
      Side guards - Carbon fiber rigid removable small
      Calf strap - Bodypoint padded velcro adjustable small

      Keep in mind I am an active user. Will be hauling this in and out of my vehicle multiple times a day. Want to make sure I'm getting everything right. Any comments are appreciated. Will be using a supracor stimulite cushion with this. I have to wait till April till I can get the CAD drawing for it because that is when I will have insurance.. so if there is anything I should change now is the time
      The ZRA is a great first chair as it is completely adjustable and will allow you to fine tune the chair and get things just right. You might want to consider adding an inch or so to the footrest width to accommodate a freewheel attachment down the road a bit as you have indicated you are an active user and are likely to procure one and some off road wheels for the back so having the additional spacers is great.

      Send some pics when you get it. Best of luck

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      • #4
        What is your current chair and major dimensions? I see you have a few questions; like angle and camber.
        Rollin' since '89. Complete C8

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        • #5
          I don't see any option to add 1" on the frame before the bend... is this something you have to ask for specifically? I seem to recall reading somewhere that Tilite automatically adds that 1". I'm currently using a chair someone donated to me (ZRA) and there is plenty of room for me to grab.. and Tilite serial number lookup doesnt show the extra 1" anywhere. Hesitant to request that because it will make the chair an inch longer in total.

          I am currently using a ZRA as mentioned and am okay with the thickness of the tube, and like the mono tube design better than the dual-tube.

          As for the footrest width.. the chair im currently in (which is not specced for me as it was donated) has an 11" footrest width. This seems very big, which is why i wanted to shrink it a bit. Sometimes my feet slip off the side and the casters run my feet over a bit.. however I see your point about the freewheel. I do actually have a freewheel (also donated) so that is something I hadn't though of.. so thank you!
          complete t6. injured skiing nov 2017.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Crappler View Post
            What is your current chair and major dimensions? I see you have a few questions; like angle and camber.
            Heh, those were actually degree symbols.. for some reason when I posted the turned into question marks. Edited my original post so nobody else is confused. Here are the specs of the chair I am currently using for anyone that is wondering. They are pulled directly off Tilite serial number lookup, and I have made quite a few adjustments (for the things that are adjustable).

            Keep in mind this chair was donated to me by someone who is not the same size as me, and obviously is not fitted properly to my dimensions.

            Region Purchased: CANADA CA

            complete t6. injured skiing nov 2017.

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            • #7
              the only pieces I would question are the arm rests, tip bars and side guards. Do you need any/all of those?
              Rollin' since '89. Complete C8

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              • #8
                I am not using any of these on my current (temporary/donated) chair. My new chair I am ordering removable side guards. No armrests or anti-tippers.
                complete t6. injured skiing nov 2017.

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                • #9
                  If you include those features in your order, you'll receive them. along with the hardware and mounting brackets and holes. If you don't intend to use them, I'd recommend entering none on the order form.
                  Just my opinion.
                  Rollin' since '89. Complete C8

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                  • #10
                    Sf, I looked up the Canadian Order form for ZRA. It's under Seat Depth (Z2SD3). If you don't have a challenge grabbing the bar for transfers, don't worry 'bout it. I am 6'2" and have big hands so the added inch helped immensely.

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                    • #11
                      Some thoughts ...

                      Originally posted by sflo0 View Post
                      Hello,

                      Yesterday I went in to do my measurements for my first wheelchair. Order form is filled out.. just wanted to check in here and see if there are is anything majorly wrong with it. I have studied the order form quite a bit, and knew pretty much what I wanted and the sizes for everything before going in.. and I had pretty much the same measurements that they did already. For reference I am 5'10" 130ish lbs

                      Here it is:

                      Tilite ZRA
                      Satin finish
                      Matte paint (Black Lava)
                      Colour anodize - Black
                      Rear seat width - 15"
                      Seat taper - no taper
                      Seat depth - 16"
                      Front seat height - 18"
                      Rear seat height - 16"
                      Front angle - 85deg
                      Seat to footrest - 16"
                      Angle adjustable foortest
                      V-front end
                      Footrest width - 9.5"
                      Seat back - Folding aluminum adjustable height
                      Back release bar - aluminum
                      No push handles
                      Seat back height - short (8.5" - 11.5")
                      Seat back that locks when folded
                      4" deep backrest rigidizer bar
                      Seat back angle - 92deg
                      Center of Gravity - 3"
                      Camber - 2deg
                      Aluminum camber tube
                      Rear wheel spacing - 1"
                      Adjustable rear wheel spacing camber plugs
                      Additional spacers to increase rear wheel spacing
                      Front wheels - LiteSpeed billet aluminum wheel w/ soft roll tire black hub
                      Forks - Tilite slipstream single sided fork
                      Rear wheels - Spinergy LX Black 24"
                      Axles - Stainless quick release
                      Rear tires - 24" Schwalbe marathon plus evolution
                      Handrims - The Surge
                      Handrim tab length - Short
                      Wheel locks - Composite scissor lock
                      Back upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps - Padded nylon
                      Seat upholstry - Tension adjustable by straps
                      Side guards - Carbon fiber rigid removable small
                      Calf strap - Bodypoint padded velcro adjustable small

                      Keep in mind I am an active user. Will be hauling this in and out of my vehicle multiple times a day. Want to make sure I'm getting everything right. Any comments are appreciated. Will be using a supracor stimulite cushion with this. I have to wait till April till I can get the CAD drawing for it because that is when I will have insurance.. so if there is anything I should change now is the time
                      I am going to throw in some ideas and suggestions.

                      Get rid of composite wheel locks and go with the aluminum wheel locks. The warranty is only 1 year and both of mine broke within 2 years. One was covered under warranty the second was not. What broke is the little spring. Once it breaks the wheel lock rides on your tire. You need a rubber band to hold it back.

                      Tire tubes get Schwalbe Shrader threaded valves tubes. (See attached photograph)

                      I had calf strap buckles put on my front 'chair to give it a cleaner look. See attached photographs. I like them so much my next 'chair will have 1" buckles to hold the under seat pouch on them angled at 45 degrees inwards.

                      I had the plastic cane caps and rear frame plastic cap removed and titanium circles welded on the frame so you never have to worry about loosing a cap. I did. It looks much nicer and one thing less to loose. (See attached photograph)

                      To have a bold look I went with 1.25" cane poles. I give credit to another Carecure member for this idea.

                      Which leads to why not a solid back rest? If you do go with a solid back you'd have to get 1.25" brackets if you are going with 1.25" canes. Keep that in mind.

                      Why not go with a rigid back? Your height is only 8.5" - 11.5". Going to a rigid back is like going from a folding 'chair to a rigid frame 'chair. You won't go back. Mine are 14" and I am able to get the 'chair in a Toyota Corolla.

                      Have the DME hand tighten all the bolts and not use a power screw gun. If you strip a hex head receded bolt it's a pain to remove. My DME put my back rest on crooked and stripped one of the hex head bolts and refused to come out and replace it. Once my wheel lock broke and they had to replace it under warranty. That's when I had them remove the stripped hex bolt on the back rest.

                      For the CAD drawing I'd make sure everything is written on it. If not, have TiLite add it on so there is no going wrong or who's at fault if something is wrong. I'd post it to this thread and let people compare the requirement list to the CAD drawing and comment.

                      Don't come up with something too difficult because the titanium experts won't do it for you, Designs Limited. They would not make me an oval rigidizer bar as seen on other made TiLite 'chairs. That's for another thread.

                      Something I did on my own was changed out all the steel bolts and with stainless steel ones. They are much harder and not likely to strip.

                      Otherwise you'll be getting a nice ride! Enjoy!

                      Ti
                      Attached Files
                      "We must overcome difficulties rather than being overcome by difficulties."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by titanium4motion View Post
                        Why not go with a rigid back? Your height is only 8.5" - 11.5". Going to a rigid back is like going from a folding 'chair to a rigid frame 'chair. You won't go back. Mine are 14" and I am able to get the 'chair in a Toyota Corolla.
                        I did this and I am glad I did. But to answer your question, the reason you may not want to is weight. It's harder on the shoulders to put into the car. I tried one with removable hardware thinking that taking the back off when transferring the chair into the car would make it lighter. But it added a lot of hassle to the process of car transfers and the additional weight of the removable hardware weighs almost as much as the back. I now use fixed hardware and deal with the additional weight.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by titanium4motion View Post
                          I am going to throw in some ideas and suggestions.

                          Get rid of composite wheel locks and go with the aluminum wheel locks. The warranty is only 1 year and both of mine broke within 2 years. One was covered under warranty the second was not. What broke is the little spring. Once it breaks the wheel lock rides on your tire. You need a rubber band to hold it back.

                          Tire tubes get Schwalbe Shrader threaded valves tubes. (See attached photograph)

                          I had calf strap buckles put on my front 'chair to give it a cleaner look. See attached photographs. I like them so much my next 'chair will have 1" buckles to hold the under seat pouch on them angled at 45 degrees inwards.

                          I had the plastic cane caps and rear frame plastic cap removed and titanium circles welded on the frame so you never have to worry about loosing a cap. I did. It looks much nicer and one thing less to loose. (See attached photograph)

                          To have a bold look I went with 1.25" cane poles. I give credit to another Carecure member for this idea.

                          Which leads to why not a solid back rest? If you do go with a solid back you'd have to get 1.25" brackets if you are going with 1.25" canes. Keep that in mind.

                          Why not go with a rigid back? Your height is only 8.5" - 11.5". Going to a rigid back is like going from a folding 'chair to a rigid frame 'chair. You won't go back. Mine are 14" and I am able to get the 'chair in a Toyota Corolla.

                          Have the DME hand tighten all the bolts and not use a power screw gun. If you strip a hex head receded bolt it's a pain to remove. My DME put my back rest on crooked and stripped one of the hex head bolts and refused to come out and replace it. Once my wheel lock broke and they had to replace it under warranty. That's when I had them remove the stripped hex bolt on the back rest.

                          For the CAD drawing I'd make sure everything is written on it. If not, have TiLite add it on so there is no going wrong or who's at fault if something is wrong. I'd post it to this thread and let people compare the requirement list to the CAD drawing and comment.

                          Don't come up with something too difficult because the titanium experts won't do it for you, Designs Limited. They would not make me an oval rigidizer bar as seen on other made TiLite 'chairs. That's for another thread.

                          Something I did on my own was changed out all the steel bolts and with stainless steel ones. They are much harder and not likely to strip.

                          Otherwise you'll be getting a nice ride! Enjoy!

                          Ti
                          Which solid backrest do you recommend? The chair I am currently using does have a solid back... but it is a Ride Java, about 15" tall, very deep contour and has tons of mounting hardware for quick-release crap. Not a fan at all. I am able to get it into my car without much hassle still though... so I'm not completely against the solid backs. I did want something lighter... but with the fixed hardware the difference may be negligible. The one my vendor is recommending is Invacare Matrx MX2 (link below, page 12). Probably the 9" height (they are 3" deep).

                          I do want a folding backrest over a rigid right now. I want to be able to adjust the angle right now. It's going to be my first chair... so I'm not 100% sure what is going to be most comfortable. My next chair will very likely be a rigid back.

                          The fatter poles on your chair do look nice, not too concerned about it myself personally, but it's a cool idea if you're into that! Not sure what you mean for aluminum wheel locks... don't see any option for that. Calf strap idea is very cool too. Only downside I can see is if you swap out to a different calf strap that may have wider buckles you may run into a problem. And the welding instead of caps is very nice. How are the tubes you posted different than the ones they send? There is no option for tubes on the form.


                          http://www.invacare.ca/doc_files/201...es_17-355C.pdf
                          Last edited by sflo0; 03-22-2018, 09:49 PM. Reason: added link
                          complete t6. injured skiing nov 2017.

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                          • #14
                            As a fellow Canadian chair user, side guards are a good thing to have when dealing with slush, salt, sand and snow. As for the anti tippers, arm rests, etc. I completely agree with Crappler, if you aren't going to use them take them off your order sheet. It will save some money, be less maintenance and save a few grams of weight on your chair.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sflo0 View Post
                              Which solid backrest do you recommend? The chair I am currently using does have a solid back... but it is a Ride Java, about 15" tall, very deep contour and has tons of mounting hardware for quick-release crap. Not a fan at all. I am able to get it into my car without much hassle still though... so I'm not completely against the solid backs. I did want something lighter... but with the fixed hardware the difference may be negligible. The one my vendor is recommending is Invacare Matrx MX2 (link below, page 12). Probably the 9" height (they are 3" deep).

                              I do want a folding backrest over a rigid right now. I want to be able to adjust the angle right now. It's going to be my first chair... so I'm not 100% sure what is going to be most comfortable. My next chair will very likely be a rigid back.

                              The fatter poles on your chair do look nice, not too concerned about it myself personally, but it's a cool idea if you're into that! Not sure what you mean for aluminum wheel locks... don't see any option for that. Calf strap idea is very cool too. Only downside I can see is if you swap out to a different calf strap that may have wider buckles you may run into a problem. And the welding instead of caps is very nice. How are the tubes you posted different than the ones they send? There is no option for tubes on the form.


                              http://www.invacare.ca/doc_files/201...es_17-355C.pdf
                              The DME dealer should be able to get aluminum wheel locks. Or you can buy them yourself at https://hdsupplysolutions.com/shop/p...e-of-2-p121077 for $17.76 a pair.

                              Ti
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                              "We must overcome difficulties rather than being overcome by difficulties."

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