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    I'm heading to the big city, Seattle, tomorrow to look at vans. Will be in the 2016/2017 Touring or Limited models. Looking at in Floor and folding out ramp VMI or Braun. Any recommendations or other suggestions. I've heard the Honda Odyssey is very noisy in the back area.

    I've owned a Chrysler Limited for 18 years with VMI conversions and didn't have any big issues with it. I'll be transferring to the drivers eat.

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    Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
    I'm heading to the big city, Seattle, tomorrow to look at vans. Will be in the 2016/2017 Touring or Limited models. Looking at in Floor and folding out ramp VMI or Braun. Any recommendations or other suggestions. I've heard the Honda Odyssey is very noisy in the back area.

    I've owned a Chrysler Limited for 18 years with VMI conversions and didn't have any big issues with it. I'll be transferring to the drivers eat.
    I really like the new Chrysler Pacifica (essentially a Town and Country reboot but way nicer than the Caravan). I'd likely go that route today.
    I bought a Toyota Sienna because a friend got me the employee discount. I didn't go ramp but did an articulating driver's seat with a lift behind the driver's seat because I wanted the full cargo area for a hand cycle. Having used that in many a rain storm I should have gone with a ramp and used a rack for the cycle. It's not like I can load/unload a cycle alone either way. The Sienna is nice and probably the quietest minivan I've driven. Still, I prefer to buy American brands (yeah, I know it's Italian, but...). I'm considering selling the Toyota for a Chrysler pacifica right now.
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      #3
      I have a Honda VMI conversion with in floor ramp. It was purchased new in 2010. I have the model one step below the touring because the conversion takes out the middle seats and the entertainment package, standard in the touring model, (about $2000 additional in the 2010 model year) can't be used. I don't have the navigation screen in front, but with other GPS options, I don't miss it. Re: Noise in back...I only have my two other mini vans to compare and the Honda is quieter than both of those. I had all carpet removed and have the rubberized floor with additional insulation option (about $600.00 in 2010). No wear like carpet and easy to keep clean.

      I saw the Chrysler Pacifica at an Abilities Expo in late 2017. It is a good looking option!

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        #4
        I have a 2010 Honda Odyssey. Even the dealer tells me that the later models (at least the next 4 or five years) are much noisier. Mine is pretty quiet.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Mize View Post
          I really like the new Chrysler Pacifica (essentially a Town and Country reboot but way nicer than the Caravan). I'd likely go that route today.
          I bought a Toyota Sienna because a friend got me the employee discount. I didn't go ramp but did an articulating driver's seat with a lift behind the driver's seat because I wanted the full cargo area for a hand cycle. Having used that in many a rain storm I should have gone with a ramp and used a rack for the cycle. It's not like I can load/unload a cycle alone either way. The Sienna is nice and probably the quietest minivan I've driven. Still, I prefer to buy American brands (yeah, I know it's Italian, but...). I'm considering selling the Toyota for a Chrysler pacifica right now.
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            #6
            Originally posted by endo_aftermath View Post
            I have a 2010 Honda Odyssey. Even the dealer tells me that the later models (at least the next 4 or five years) are much noisier. Mine is pretty quiet.
            2011 was the model year that Honda changed the body styling of the Odyssey, most noticeably the side view.
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              #7
              Originally posted by fuentejps View Post
              those pacifica are nice i was playing with one week ago at mobility shop while getting service
              My sister got the plug in hybrid version. She and her hubby have solar panels and charge their cars with that (he's got a prius I think) so they basically pay nothing for gas unless they take a road trip. Pretty cool if you got the money and southern exposure for solar. I'm pretty sure there won't be a ramp version of the hybrid as most hybrids seem to locate batteries in the floor (precluding a ramp), but you never know. I think it only does 30 miles on electric only, but that would cover most of my days.
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                #8
                We have a 2014 H Odyssey with a BraunAbility conversion. My wife now drives and I ride in the back. I do not hear any noise that our 2007 Sienna did not have. My gripe is that there are no rear speakers. To date, we have not had a problem with the lift. Be sure to wheel up the ramps. The slopes seem to vary. Good luck.
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                  #9
                  Will you be driving or riding as passenger in the rear? Power chair or manual? In my opinion, one of your prime concerns will be headroom in the driving area. Take a level, either a 4 foot one or a short one on top of a rigid pole of some sort and rested it on top of your head. Then drop a vertical tape measure to the ground to get your ground to top of head measurement. You will want to have clearance above this in the driving area. The doorway may require tilting back to clear the doorframe. Once inside, headroom opens up and then closes down again as one maneuvers into the driving area. Also, along with headroom one needs to consider vision out of the windshield. Be sure to shop for the vehicle in the same chair that you plan on using. If you haven't gotten that chair yet, try to get a loaner of the same type for the day or wait until you get a new chair. I have a 2010 Honda Odyssey which was very good for my power assisted extender system, and worse, though still doable for my Permobil C300. In my new F3 headroom and vision out the windshield is even worse.

                  One thing I did to recoup some vision out the windshield was to remove the visor. I never use it and was able to give me back, probably about another half-inch of visibility.

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                    #10
                    Ramp slopes: Most conversion have a "kneel" feature that (may be an option) really flattens out the slope of the ramp.

                    Headroom: I'm 6'3" and have a very tall sitting height. I use a Permobil m300 and headroom inside the Odyssey (2010 headroom may be different than later models) is reasonable. Visibility is not optimal. I ride front passenger position, beside the driver. The floor is lowered from the firewall in the front of the van to the base of the rear seats. I back up the ramp and need to tilt my head forward to clear the doorway. The Pacifica had a good deal of headroom. NL, at 5'2", could stand upright and just needed to tilt her head to a side to clear the ceiling.

                    The VMI conversion, in the Odyssey 2010, drops the floor about 10 inches.

                    SCI55, why did you opt to ride in the back of the van?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                      Ramp slopes: Most conversion have a "kneel" feature that (may be an option) really flattens out the slope of the ramp.

                      Headroom: I'm 6'3" and have a very tall sitting height. I use a Permobil m300 and headroom inside the Odyssey (2010 headroom may be different than later models) is reasonable. Visibility is not optimal. I ride front passenger position, beside the driver. The floor is lowered from the firewall in the front of the van to the base of the rear seats. I back up the ramp and need to tilt my head forward to clear the doorway. The Pacifica had a good deal of headroom. NL, at 5'2", could stand upright and just needed to tilt her head to a side to clear the ceiling.

                      The VMI conversion, in the Odyssey 2010, drops the floor about 10 inches.

                      SCI55, why did you opt to ride in the back of the van?
                      My wife regularly chauffeurs friends around and the extra seat is needed.
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                        #12
                        Just bought a new 2016 Toyota Sienna Limited Braun XT foldout a couple months ago, old van was an '05 T&C Limited foldout. As I plan on towing this van behind our MH, I had to stick with '16s as the trannys changed in '17 and the conversion can't be done. So I didn't look at the Pacifica.

                        Went with another foldout, there's only 2 of us and we don't need clear access in that door, "decider" was I park at some places with real tall curbs where I turn the kneel off because it puts the ramp lower than the curb otherwise. Slight worry of not being able to deploy infloor.

                        Pro's
                        1. Ramp angle is way better than the old one. I believe the XT version has one of the lowest angles available due to lower floor drop.
                        2. Much quieter than the old van, can actually converse with my wife in passenger seat now. They are still louder than a stock minivan, but they are trying. The Toyota and Honda were close, the new Chrysler was still louder. Nice touch, the Toyota has "Driver Speak" which will use the mic and pump your voice out the rear speakers to talk to passengers back there.
                        3. Ride is sooo much smoother than old van. One reason I did not go with another Chrysler, the test ride in it was almost as rough as my old van. The Honda was the smoothest IMO.
                        4. The Toyota has best pep.
                        5. Plenty of headroom in the XT version.

                        Con's
                        1. w/c floor space is a little tighter than T&C. They got better in '17 Toyota with the rounded "cutout" in the rear floor under the rear seat.
                        2. With B&D xfer base, the oem seat height is a little taller. The bolsters in it make for a slight uphill xfer.

                        Ya wanna know one of the biggest "decider"? Cupholders. In the Limited's the Honda has NO front cupholders as the DVD player takes the spot, relying on the now non existent console for normal vans. The Toyota has a double holder that pops out of the dash, they are small but work for the most part.
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                          #13
                          My agent, wife, and I went to the big city of Seattle to look at vans today. I drive around in a two stop light town so it was different. It sure showed me I never want to live in a big city again.

                          We went to two places; Kersey and Access Mobility to look at El Dorado fold out and the VMI in floor along with the three van makes. I didn't go to the Braun Dealer because I refuse to deal with him. It's a shame we don't have the freedom to choose who we buy from.

                          Like you McDuff, I drive a 17 yr. old 2000 T&C Limited with VMI and looked at that level models. Workers Comp. pays for my conversion so my focus was on type of conversion and best deal on a slightly used van.

                          Jeff at Access Mobility in Everett has the El Dorado fold out 14" dropped floor conversion. This was the first fold out conversion I'd seen up close. The ramp looks really sturdy and well made. It was quick and quiet. There was another 8" a person could add to the bottom of the ramp to make the incline less steep. I think he said it was an 8.5o incline. I didn't like the cable that pulls up the ramp, no reason. The interior mods they do is okay. We were told the New York City cabs use the Eldorado so it's built industrial. The 14" is built more for power chairs who normally sit higher giving a better line of vision and comfort. The lowered floor made the the transfer to the drivers seat 4" higher. 26 1/2" to the floor vs. 22 1/2" in my T&C. The distance looked scary it was so low. While there we checked out the Toyota, Chrysler, Honda and Dodge. Based on looks and cabin design, we liked the Sienna limited and Pacifica Touring. There is a 10" drop floor model but is rarely ordered. Jeff said he may have sold 2 in the last year.

                          Then off to Kersey Mobility in Redmond to look at VMI. I bought the show van the owner used when he was a district dealer so was good to see him and know him as a friend. The new in floor VMI is pretty slick compared to mine. It still takes an effort and a grab of the back passenger seat to get in all of them. I think a handle to grab would make it much easier. Looked at a power winch but looked clumsily to use. Looking them all over it came to Toyota Sienna and the Chrysler Pacifica. The Toyotas were all new stock and several Pacifica Touring L with 13K to 20K. The price for Pacifica TL's were cheaper than the next lower models if I were to order.

                          So we have a tentative deal depending if they can get everything approved; should be no problem and then coming to price on the van; '17 Pacifica with 20k miles.

                          I'm going to check tomorrow regarding a Summit fold out VMI.

                          Thank you all for your opinions and information. It was greatly appreciated and has surely helped. Boy, we sure were glad to get back to the country; gonna be a longtime before I hit the big city again. the freeways are crazy.

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                            #14
                            I don't like the frenzy of Seattle either, and I live here. I time my trips as best I can.
                            That cable on the side of the folding ramp spooked me out at first too Patrick especially since mine was a little frayed at the end. Rollx sold me a new one for about 25 dollars and my wife and I installed it quite easily. Contrary to how I thought it worked, what it actually does is that it straightens the ramp at the end of the unfolding, (deploying) process.
                            I have had periodic paralysis all my life. I lost my ability to walk in 2011 beginning with a spinal block, which was used for a hip fracture caused by periodic paralysis.

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                              #15
                              will be a sweet ride country boy
                              Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
                              My agent, wife, and I went to the big city of Seattle to look at vans today. I drive around in a two stop light town so it was different. It sure showed me I never want to live in a big city again.

                              We went to two places; Kersey and Access Mobility to look at El Dorado fold out and the VMI in floor along with the three van makes. I didn't go to the Braun Dealer because I refuse to deal with him. It's a shame we don't have the freedom to choose who we buy from.

                              Like you McDuff, I drive a 17 yr. old 2000 T&C Limited with VMI and looked at that level models. Workers Comp. pays for my conversion so my focus was on type of conversion and best deal on a slightly used van.

                              Jeff at Access Mobility in Everett has the El Dorado fold out 14" dropped floor conversion. This was the first fold out conversion I'd seen up close. The ramp looks really sturdy and well made. It was quick and quiet. There was another 8" a person could add to the bottom of the ramp to make the incline less steep. I think he said it was an 8.5o incline. I didn't like the cable that pulls up the ramp, no reason. The interior mods they do is okay. We were told the New York City cabs use the Eldorado so it's built industrial. The 14" is built more for power chairs who normally sit higher giving a better line of vision and comfort. The lowered floor made the the transfer to the drivers seat 4" higher. 26 1/2" to the floor vs. 22 1/2" in my T&C. The distance looked scary it was so low. While there we checked out the Toyota, Chrysler, Honda and Dodge. Based on looks and cabin design, we liked the Sienna limited and Pacifica Touring. There is a 10" drop floor model but is rarely ordered. Jeff said he may have sold 2 in the last year.

                              Then off to Kersey Mobility in Redmond to look at VMI. I bought the show van the owner used when he was a district dealer so was good to see him and know him as a friend. The new in floor VMI is pretty slick compared to mine. It still takes an effort and a grab of the back passenger seat to get in all of them. I think a handle to grab would make it much easier. Looked at a power winch but looked clumsily to use. Looking them all over it came to Toyota Sienna and the Chrysler Pacifica. The Toyotas were all new stock and several Pacifica Touring L with 13K to 20K. The price for Pacifica TL's were cheaper than the next lower models if I were to order.

                              So we have a tentative deal depending if they can get everything approved; should be no problem and then coming to price on the van; '17 Pacifica with 20k miles.

                              I'm going to check tomorrow regarding a Summit fold out VMI.

                              Thank you all for your opinions and information. It was greatly appreciated and has surely helped. Boy, we sure were glad to get back to the country; gonna be a longtime before I hit the big city again. the freeways are crazy.
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                              c4/5 inc funtioning c6. 28 yrs post.
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