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    Urgent notice for Permobil chair drivers

    If you use a Permobil corpus 500, or any Permobil that has an electric recline function then I would urge you to read my blog post and get your chair checked ASAP.


    http://www.tetraplegicliving.com/myblog?view=entry&id=257
    Last edited by Jim; 8 Oct 2017, 8:35 PM. Reason: fixed title
    Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site


    #2
    I use Safari as my primary browser and Firefox as my back up. Neither will open this link to your blog. Could you post what you wrote on your blog to a Care Cure Community blog?

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      #3
      Use this link

      http://www.tetraplegicliving.com/myb...w=entry&id=257
      C5 as of 6-13- 2010

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        #4
        Sorry, not sure why the first link didn't work, I should have checked the first.
        Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site

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          #5
          I have a C300 and a M300 and they both have that same bracket. Cheap Chinese cast steel. Should be Steel there. I can see a lawsuit coming. Very easy to get hurt here. I'll keep my eye on it. But it could break at anytime. Most the pressure is on it in the tilt and recline. My old Invacare TDX-SR only has tilt but were the bracket is its all steel. No cast steel. And obamma tried to put Invacare out of business. He picked on the wrong one.
          Art

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            #6
            Originally posted by Art454 View Post
            I have a C300 and a M300 and they both have that same bracket. Cheap Chinese cast steel. Should be Steel there. I can see a lawsuit coming. Very easy to get hurt here. I'll keep my eye on it. But it could break at anytime. Most the pressure is on it in the tilt and recline. My old Invacare TDX-SR only has tilt but were the bracket is its all steel. No cast steel. And obamma tried to put Invacare out of business. He picked on the wrong one.
            Is that right, they are using cheap components? If that's the case then I am absolutely disgusted considering how much the chairs cost to buy. To be honest with you, I'm almost at the end of the tether with Permobil. The customer service is absolutely diabolical. I know that they use Twitter so I tweeted them about the impact of the chair collapsing and they haven't had the decency to even acknowledge me.

            Like you say, they could end up with a massive lawsuit if someone gets hurt in one of their wheelchairs. In fact, I'm in bed at the moment because I don't have a spare wheelchair. Ever since this happened I've had terrible abdominal pains and my bowels haven't worked for a few days. I'm actually waiting for the doctor to come right now. I think I did something to myself when the back collapsed on Thursday evening
            Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ironside View Post
              Is that right, they are using cheap components? If that's the case then I am absolutely disgusted considering how much the chairs cost to buy. Ever since this happened I've had terrible abdominal pains and my bowels haven't worked for a few days. I'm actually waiting for the doctor to come right now. I think I did something to myself when the back collapsed on Thursday evening
              Hello ironside. I hope that you are OK and well on the way to recovery from that episode.
              After reading your blog entry I googled Permobil here in NZ to discover that they have acquired the company that supplies Ki Mobility, DME.
              https://www.dme.co.nz/permobil-expan...-equipment-ltd


              There is good money to be made in mobility, or the lack of it

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                #8
                Originally posted by Ironside View Post
                If you use a Permobil corpus 500, or any Permobil that has an electric recline function then I would urge you to read my blog post and get your chair checked ASAP.
                (1) Your post says that Permobil users with a an "electric recline function" should get the chair checked, but the URL that you linked to (in another post actually, as the original URL you gave appears not to be accurate) says the problem occurred when you performed a tilt. Is the problem with tilt or with recline?

                (2) I can't tell from the pictures on the webpage exactly where or what the part is. There is one close-up picture at the top and a blurry picture of the whole chair at the bottom. Can you provide a picture that highlights exactly where the failed part is?

                (3) Is there an official Permobil name and part number for the failed part? This would be helpful.

                (4) How old is your Permobil?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Art454 View Post
                  Cheap Chinese cast steel. Should be Steel there....My old Invacare TDX-SR only has tilt but were the bracket is its all steel. No cast steel.
                  What is the difference between "cast steel" and "steel"?
                  Last edited by xsfxsf; 8 Oct 2017, 5:32 PM.

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                    #10
                    Google it. I was a tool and die maker before I got hurt. Cast iron or cast steel is about the same thing. Depends who makes it. It is more brittle than steel so it breaks easy. Mild steel will bend rather than break. The good cast iron years ago was grey inside when broken. I have seen some red cast iron or I call it cast steel. Which is real junk imo. http://pediaa.com/difference-between...ron-and-steel/

                    I may be wrong at work we called red cast iron as just cast steel junk. We had so many problems with that red chit. Its just a cheap cast iron I guess. The part that broke on his chair and the ones I have on permobil should have been made from steel. There are many different kinds of steel.
                    Last edited by Art454; 8 Oct 2017, 6:59 PM.
                    Art

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Art454 View Post
                      Google it. I was a tool and die maker before I got hurt. Cast iron or cast steel is about the same thing. Depends who makes it. It is more brittle than steel so it breaks easy. Mild steel will bend rather than break. The good cast iron years ago was grey inside when broken. I have seen some red cast iron or I call it cast steel. Which is real junk imo. http://pediaa.com/difference-between...ron-and-steel/

                      I may be wrong at work we called red cast iron as just cast steel junk. We had so many problems with that red chit. Its just a cheap cast iron I guess. The part that broke on his chair and the ones I have on permobil should have been made from steel. There are many different kinds of steel.
                      Without separating the piece and inspecting that break, I would hazard a guess that it is quality Chinese cast steel or cast aluminium, commonly known as 'shit metal'.
                      They build bridges and buildings with the stuff down this way.
                      IMO there should have been more gusset designed into the part.
                      It is not as if people in chairs are able to take evasive action when these items fail; we have to go in what direction we are taken and hope for the best.
                      We put a large amount of trust in these manufacturers with an expectation that we will be safe when using the equipment.
                      Ironside, are these chairs subject to a annual, biannual or 5 yearly inspection?
                      Last edited by slow_runner; 8 Oct 2017, 10:23 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by slow_runner View Post
                        Without separating the piece and inspecting that break, I would hazard a guess that it is quality Chinese cast steel or cast aluminium, commonly known as 'shit metal'.
                        They build bridges and buildings with the stuff down this way.
                        IMO there should have been more gusset designed into the part.
                        It is not as if people in chairs are able to take evasive action when these items fail; we have to go in what direction we are taken and hope for the best.
                        We put a large amount of trust in these manufacturers with an expectation that we will be safe when using the equipment.
                        Ironside, are these chairs subject to a annual, biannual or 5 yearly inspection?
                        Wheelchairs in the United States are not subject to any inspections after purchase. In the United State, wheelchairs are regularly eligible for replacement every 5 years.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                          Wheelchairs in the United States are not subject to any inspections after purchase. In the United State, wheelchairs are regularly eligible for replacement every 5 years.
                          So it could be assumed that a 5 year life is designed into the chair?
                          I am not sure if that 5 year eligibility applies down here; I will look into that, thanks.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Art454 View Post
                            Google it. I was a tool and die maker before I got hurt. Cast iron or cast steel is about the same thing. Depends who makes it. It is more brittle than steel so it breaks easy. Mild steel will bend rather than break.
                            I never knew that. Thanks for that bit of metallurgy!

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                              #15
                              The bracket that failed is attached to the backrest so is always going to be under a certain amount of pressure when you are sitting in the wheelchair. I don't tend to use the recline much because it puts you more at risk from Shearing on your backside. So when I tilt right back I am using the seat tilt function. Obviously as soon as you start leaving back gravity well take over and you will put more pressure on this bracket. However, I think the bracket should be strong enough to support the people who are using the wheelchair.


                              The engineer for Permobil here in the UK has told me that he is ordered the spare parts from Sweden. If they can't get them here within the week then something is wrong with the company. Also, they must have them in stock because they are still manufacturing the wheelchair so parts will be sitting ready for assembly.
                              Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site

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