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    Powerchair comparisons & advice

    Hello everybody,

    My name is Cody. I'm 29 years old, and am in the process of getting a powerchair. I don't have an SCI, but I do have CP as well as an undiagnosed condition that is causing my function to go downhill rapidly (they're currently investigating). I've been a manual chair user for years now, but it's time for me to move to power mobility full time. I will say that I had a Group 2 powerchair a few years ago, my first foray into powerchair usage, before my decline - a Jazzy Select 6 - that was absolutely horrendous & has made me vary wary about Pride Mobility.

    Based on my own research and before demoing, I'm leaning toward Permobil as my pre-trial company of choice. I don't know much about Invacare or Quickie.

    My dealer, while a nice guy, seems to be all about Pride products. He has said he wants to see me in a "Quantum Q6", which according to my research does not exist. I can only assume he means a chair from the Q6 Edge series. He fully admits to being a "Pride pusher", and these are his reasons:

    1. Invacare is slowly going out of business with powerchairs? (I don't know how true this is but that's what he said)

    2. Quickie is "crap"

    3. Pride has "come far" in the past few years, and that my experience with the Jazzy was the fault of it being "basic of the basic", instead of a higher quality chair that I now need...that Quantum is so much better than Jazzy because of the grouping codes/that Pride itself is not a bad company.

    4. Permobil is a "Swedish company" (later admitted the real reason is he doesn't know how to fix Permobils)

    I do trust the guy, because he's kind and he was highly recommended to me by another dealer I know and trust (but whose company doesn't deal with powerchairs). I don't think he's purposefully lying to me or just trying to make a sale.

    I'm not against trying Quantum chairs, but I feel like I might be being pushed into a corner here by multiple people.

    On one end, there's my dealer wanting me to go with a Quantum. He's said that it's ultimately my choice on what brand I go with, but it doesn't really seem that way. I gave him a list of chairs I want to demo - a few Quantums, a few Permobils - and the only chairs he has ready for my demo this Wednesday are the Quantums. Fishy.

    On the other end, I'm being pushed by loved ones to more-or-less take what Medicaid will give me, to not make waves so to speak. Supposedly, Permobil might take longer to get covered/more of a fight would have to be put up as compared to a Quantum...that if they'll pay for Quantum, but make a fuss about Permobil, just go with the Quantum since the fight will likely be a PITA anyway.

    I don't want to seem snotty, but I'm also unsure what to do with myself. Ultimately I want the best chair for me from a reliable company. I'm still very nervous about Pride, and all of the information I've seen has been from years ago. I'd like some up-to-date reviews.

    So, my questions to you all:

    1. What are your thoughts on Quantum chairs and/or Pride itself? Would you suggest a Pride chair? Why/why not?
    2. Is Permobil worth fighting for?
    3. Any thoughts on other powerchairs?

    Thank you for any replies

    #2
    So who will be paying for your chair? Medicare? Private insurance? Medicaid?

    If Medicare, you will have to have a wheelchair evaluation and prescription/letter of medical necessity from a PT or OT who is RESNA certified for power chair evaluations. I would start with them rather than directly with a DME.

    Permobil is made in the USA. The parent company is Swedish, but they also own Quickie and Roho. Their main plant is outside Nashville, TN.

    (KLD)
    The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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      #3
      From my personal experience Quickie is not "crap." In fact, Pride seems to top the crap list, from my observations. You might want to check out wheelchairdriver.com forum as another resource.

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        #4
        Originally posted by SCI-Nurse View Post
        So who will be paying for your chair? Medicare? Private insurance? Medicaid?

        If Medicare, you will have to have a wheelchair evaluation and prescription/letter of medical necessity from a PT or OT who is RESNA certified for power chair evaluations. I would start with them rather than directly with a DME.

        Permobil is made in the USA. The parent company is Swedish, but they also own Quickie and Roho. Their main plant is outside Nashville, TN.

        (KLD)
        When did Permobile acquire Sunrise? That's new to me, I know they bought Tilite and Roho.

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          #5
          Ooops...you are right. It is Tilite, not Sunrise.

          (KLD)
          The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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            #6
            Originally posted by SCI-Nurse View Post
            So who will be paying for your chair? Medicare? Private insurance? Medicaid?

            If Medicare, you will have to have a wheelchair evaluation and prescription/letter of medical necessity from a PT or OT who is RESNA certified for power chair evaluations. I would start with them rather than directly with a DME.

            Permobil is made in the USA. The parent company is Swedish, but they also own Quickie and Roho. Their main plant is outside Nashville, TN.

            (KLD)
            Medicaid is who I have to pay for my chair. I have all of the letters of medical necessity in the works from my doctor and PT/OT...I'm not going solely with just DME here - so far he has been involved with this whole process, though.

            Originally posted by Rustyjames View Post
            From my personal experience Quickie is not "crap." In fact, Pride seems to top the crap list, from my observations. You might want to check out wheelchairdriver.com forum as another resource.
            This is extremely useful, thank you.

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              #7
              Pride, IMO, is crap.

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                #8
                Just a small piece of advice. If a person lies to you once he/she will lie to you again and again. Pride chairs are garbage. Dealerships/vendors of durable medical equipment, equivocate to snake oil salesmen! They are one step below Insurance salesmen and Real-estate Salesmen. However, that is just my opinion! Invacare sells wheelchairs in almost every Nation on the Planet it is not likely going out of business.

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                  #9
                  Permobiles have been known for quality and innovation. I use an amysystems R3 which I have found to be of great reliability. Never had a quickie but have heard good things about them. If you do go Permobil I would request the Swedrive motors if available on your model. I would pick a few and request demos.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rustyjames View Post
                    From my personal experience Quickie is not "crap." In fact, Pride seems to top the crap list, from my observations. You might want to check out wheelchairdriver.com forum as another resource.
                    I'm with you. Quickie is not crap! I actually just ordered a new one. Should be here in 3-4 weeks.

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                      #11
                      Your doing it the right way reach out to users people that ride in these chairs not none disabled they have no idea what its like to be in these chairs 12-18 hours a day 7 days a week...I would never trust a pt/ot they are only as good as the training they go to. A far as your Doctor they dont know one power chair from the next.

                      It also doesn't matter if your medicare, Medicaid or private insurance you still need the documentation to justify the needs past your basic power chair base.

                      Your a 100% Pride makes nothing but crap, cheap parts, motors out sourced to China to save money and smaller batteries also cost cutting at the users experience.

                      Pride got so bad in the product they shut down there Pride webpage because they had more complaints then praise.

                      Permobil is a great brand and the chairs are built in Tn.

                      Never trust a DME for advice because they are many times motivated by commission and profit so the chairs they make more money on can sometimes be the chairs they push.

                      I would tell your DME to set up some demos with Permobil for a weekend drop off at your house so you can try these new chairs in your own environment, home, work, school, on public transportation, in your van if your drive or are driven etc.

                      I roll in a Permobil F3 and was a mid wheel drive user for years...The F3 is so crazy comfortable but it did take me about 90 days to get comfortable with front wheel drive.



                      If you have not heard Permobil just came out with the mid wheel all new design m3.

                      I would try both once you decide the base that works for you then Permobil rep and your DME can work on features and dont forgot to look at adding active reach and seat elevation along with tilt and recline.

                      Getting a new chair can be very over whelming if you need help and direction drop me a private message more then willing to help and teach you some self advocating tricks and hacks.

                      I helped someone here a few months back and he was 100% sure he could never get a new chair and he is rolling in style now with a Permobil f3!

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                        #12
                        The new m3 mid wheel

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                          #13
                          The Permobil chairs assembled near Nashville, TN have chassis made in China. Some other Permobil components are also made in China, such as control boxes, batteries, etc. Saw this when I toured the plant last year.

                          (KLD)
                          The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                            #14
                            plz check out the QUICKIE also, bought mine in august this thing works soo good out in the REAL world.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlEJ...ature=youtu.be

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                              #15
                              I've used quickie for 11 year very reliable and easy to maintain. Permobil a great chair but hard to get decent repair tech's if needed and their electronics are very involved and very few techs can fix. pride has come a long way in the past 10 years but are still on the low end of the power chair list and are pushed by most dme's because of the huge profit margin as the company urges these to be 1st choice ... invacare are ok but a little aged ... be your own advocate dont allow them to push you into a sub-par chair . if you must switch dme's and make sure your ot/pt is on board with what you request. remember it will be 5 years before you get another one ... HAPPY WHEELING

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