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    United seating & Mobility is now Numotion. Who else is available that does this same thing of getting chairs to folks..? They completely cut Invacare chairs out of their product supply ordering & that's the chair I like & use.. Has anone had similar issues of having to change chair vendors or whatnot.?
    I am not your rolling wheels
    I am the highway
    I am not your carpet ride
    I am the sky
    I am not your blowing wind
    I am the lightning
    I am not your autumn moon
    I am the night, the night..

    #2
    Is there any1 besides United Seating//Numotion?? Any1 use different???
    I am not your rolling wheels
    I am the highway
    I am not your carpet ride
    I am the sky
    I am not your blowing wind
    I am the lightning
    I am not your autumn moon
    I am the night, the night..

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      #3
      Have you tried a local mobility shop? If you're not sure of one, build a chair on the brands website and there's usually a spot the reads find a local dealer. Once you determine the local dealers, reach out to the to see if they accept your insurance.
      Rollin' since '89. Complete C8

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        #4
        Well ty..if that's the case supposing whether my other Durable equipment provider //Lincare would be obligated...
        I am not your rolling wheels
        I am the highway
        I am not your carpet ride
        I am the sky
        I am not your blowing wind
        I am the lightning
        I am not your autumn moon
        I am the night, the night..

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          #5
          Who is requiring you to use those DME vendors? Medicaid? Private insurance? Workers Comp? You need to take it up with them.

          (KLD)
          The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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            #6
            If you are having problems obtaining your Invacare chair call Invacare at 800 333 6900.

            If you are not successful I have a corp contact that may prove useful, let me know.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Tonyy View Post
              If you are having problems obtaining your Invacare chair call Invacare at 800 333 6900.

              If you are not successful I have a corp contact that may prove useful, let me know.
              Ahh thnxs a bunch,, will let you know..peace
              I am not your rolling wheels
              I am the highway
              I am not your carpet ride
              I am the sky
              I am not your blowing wind
              I am the lightning
              I am not your autumn moon
              I am the night, the night..

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                #8
                Originally posted by SCI-Nurse View Post
                Who is requiring you to use those DME vendors? Medicaid? Private insurance? Workers Comp? You need to take it up with them.

                (KLD)
                Can u expand here please...My Medicaid work hand in hand w/ Chair Provider.. Medacaid pays, Numotion assembles/delivers..
                Unaware of who else I would go through.
                I am not your rolling wheels
                I am the highway
                I am not your carpet ride
                I am the sky
                I am not your blowing wind
                I am the lightning
                I am not your autumn moon
                I am the night, the night..

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                  #9
                  Medicaid pays for your chair the way you explain it, so contact your Medicaid contact. Ask them why "you" cannot get the chair you want.

                  For an FYI, They are operating on an Order of Consent from the FEDs. But they are in operation and able to supply you a chair equipped with the devices they supply, from their approved current line of chairs. But Medicaid will only pay for a chair of their choice. But, again it sounds like your vendor has dropped the Invacare line, if there is a problem with the contracted supplier, you will need to get that cleared up, with Medicaid yourself.

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                    #10
                    Apologies to keep bending you bout this here Bob. I did contact my Medacaid agent & she was able to view the $$sum I was approved for.
                    I brought to a head all these stipulates, she wasn't really aware all the Beuracatic bull w/ the vendors, yet looked into it & later advised I hold off on pursuing since I had a semi hefty $$ service call recently.....
                    I just wanted to re-iterate some from your post so when I return to this at years end...

                    "Medicaid pays for your chair the way you explain it, But Medicaid will only pay for a chair of THEIR choice"???

                    So if I explain I Need/Want Invacare, & they've are in a compliant working order..your saying it's still ultimately Medacaids choice & can deny me??
                    Sorry just confusing post u made..
                    I am not your rolling wheels
                    I am the highway
                    I am not your carpet ride
                    I am the sky
                    I am not your blowing wind
                    I am the lightning
                    I am not your autumn moon
                    I am the night, the night..

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                      #11
                      Do I remember reading a year or so ago that Invacare had problems with their power chairs, and they stopped selling them for awhile? Or did I dream that?
                      Chas
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                        #12
                        Chasmenger; Yes Invacare was prohibited from constructing certain products from one location and selling to excepted and already promised customers. It was (past tense) by an Order of Consent. Which at this point has been pulled back by the court system Invacare has fulfilled their obligations. They "Invacare" can now, and will sell to you, also some of the former models have been discontinued. If your vendor has cut their Invacare connection you're screwed, unless you find a different vendor! It does very much sound, from what you say, that your Medicaid department has used its yearly budget up or at least what money was assigned to your benefits.

                        Stormycoon; IF you buy something for someone does you giftee have the right to upgrade your presentation and have you pay for it? That's about where you stand. Medicaid is not the exactly the same as Medicare. Your Doctor can make some demands (Write a script specifying a specific model/manufacturer) on your part, to justify your desires if he wants to. This may or may not be successful. If your local Medicaid agency is out of funds GOOD LUCK getting anything more than a picture of a Chair, that budget money is an exhaustible thing.




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                          #13
                          Bob I fully qualify for new chair, the funds are there as my agent relayed. Oregon Medacaid have been using a default 5 year brand new replacement system with me?? "Fully loaded" for quadrapalegia specs.

                          Just trying to assign sole proceeds to your trinity coercion here. Yes it starts w/ Doc script..Then I'll follow w/Vendor & Chair choice (Invacare)..

                          Between posts though you've used a mixed power ultimatum.

                          --You claimed I as patient have ultimate say of chair of my choice. Since Invacare's in good standing, that's them.
                          --Vs.* Medacaid ultimatum. They pay for THEIR CHOICE of CHAIRS? (Full quote of yours at bottom)
                          --Vs. Vendor's (Numotion) ultimatum.. Canceled dealer (Invacare) I'm screwed..


                          ●"Medicaid pays for YOUR chair the way YOU explain it.?
                          ●"But Medicaid will only pay for a chair of THEIR choice"?
                          ●"But, again it sounds like your VENDOR has dropped the Invacare line, if there is a problem with the contracted supplier, you will need to get that cleared up, with Medicaid yourself"
                          AKA--Consent Decree sign off which you now just said is obsolete now that they're in full compliance.


                          I have had response on here from I believe an Invacare agent that if my Vendor Chair guys dropped them just call company directly & they'll get it handled..IDK who the hey would deliver & tune it ??
                          Appreciate feedback. Thnxs..Again I'll get it sourced out when time comes I'm just figuring** with outlined criteria looping process, sounds as Patient has ultimate power here to get them in kahoots & chair I want..
                          Last edited by Stormycoon; 23 Jul 2016, 6:27 AM.
                          I am not your rolling wheels
                          I am the highway
                          I am not your carpet ride
                          I am the sky
                          I am not your blowing wind
                          I am the lightning
                          I am not your autumn moon
                          I am the night, the night..

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                            #14
                            Stormy;

                            I am not trying to antagonize you as it appears you seem to think.
                            Quote; "Between posts though you've used a mixed power ultimatum.

                            --You claimed I as patient have ultimate say of chair of my choice. Since Invacare's in good standing, that's them"-----------.
                            I am trying to help you sort things out and trying to provide some alternatives you can chose to use, or not.
                            Yes you have the ultimate choice, if someone delivers a chair to you; you will have to sign for it, DON"T SIGN, if it is something you do not absolutely want, and have asked for. You have to be assertive, and do not compromise yourself, do not say or write anything that can be mistaken. A chair which you will spend your next five years in will be a part of you, your legs, the very essence of your environment, don't let some salesman tell you what "YOU" want.

                            I your original story, you left huge gaps in your explanation. I have had to assume some things, and obviously "I" have gotten some of those assumptions wrong. There are as I said huge differences between Medicare and Medicaid Co-Insurances and Medigap stuff, etc.

                            Medicaid has the same option you do, they can choose not to sign a Purchase Order that does not comply with their mandates. If your problem is finding a vendor who will get you an Invacare Chair Model whatever, ask Medicaid if they will honor your direct order to Invacare for your currently complying model (whatever) then ask Invacare; or ask first if you wish if they will sell direct on a medicaid PO. Or there are e-businesses that might help you. Since "you say" your seating needs are the same. Invacare "may" have your original PO and chair in their records. Ask if they can or will duplicate that order.


                            Most of these things are usually done by your local vendor as a part of their service to attain (justify?) their markup/or commission. These things require a lot of fairly good communication skills.

                            It is very likely you will likely have to put your chair together when it arrives, as you will not have a local vendor to do this for you.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bob Sullivan View Post


                              If your local Medicaid agency is out of funds GOOD LUCK getting anything more than a picture of a Chair, that budget money is an exhaustible thing.




                              Federal Law dictates that state Medicaid pay for Durable Medical Equipment/Assistive Technology if it is "medically necessary".

                              This straight out of the Federal Medicaid manual for DME/Assistive Technology http://nls.org/files/Disability%20La...Nov%202015.pdf

                              A. The Meaning of Medical NecessityThe Medicaid Act does not include a general definition of medical necessity thatapplies to all beneficiaries. The Act does make clear that, for Medicaid beneficiariesunder 21 years of age, medical necessity is established when requested health care,diagnostic services, treatment, or other measures are required "to correct or amelioratedefects and physical and mental illnesses and conditions . . .?92 This means that forchildren and youth, Medicaid services must be provided if needed to correct, tocompensate for, or to improve a condition, or to prevent a condition from worsening.93In the absence of a federal medical necessity definition for adult beneficiaries,some states define this term to require that the requested Medicaid service beappropriate for the beneficiary?s medical condition or disability and that provision of theservice be consistent with accepted standards of medical practice. Some states alsorecognize that services may be medically necessary if they will ?prevent? illnesses orinjuries.94 A state's medical necessity definition may be found in state statute, rule,policy, or the agency's provider manuals.

                              B. AT and Other Medicaid Benefit CategoriesIn some cases, a requested AT device may not meet the state's DME definitionor the beneficiary may not be eligible for home health services. In those instances,there may be a more appropriate benefit category for establishing Medicaid coverage ofthe necessary AT item. Given the broad scope of Medicaid’s required and optionalcategories of service, an AT device may fit within one or more benefit categories foundin the Medicaid state plan.58 As discussed above, physical therapy, occupationaltherapy, and speech therapy, which by definition include necessary equipment,prosthetics, preventative services, and rehabilitative services are categories of servicethat may also allow for coverage of particular AT devices.Keep in mind that states cannot characterize an AT device as belonging in onecategory of service, to the exclusion of all others, in an attempt to limit the scope ofcoverage. For example, a state cannot solely cover speech generating devices (SGDs)under the optional category of speech language pathology services in order to limit theiravailability to children, when SGDs also satisfy the state's definitions of DME, prostheticdevice, or other benefit category included in the state plan.59 This approach has beenused by some states to restrict access to certain AT devices to HCBS waiverparticipants. However, CMS has been clear that this type of restriction isunacceptable.60
                              It has nothing to do with whether a state has "Medicaid Funds".

                              States are free to provide optional benefits if they want but an electric wheelchair or any other kind of wheelchair (defined as "Assistive Technology" is not optional based on whether a state has funds or not.

                              Your state is free to administer the program however it sees fit which includes the majority of benefits that are not optional to provide. Medicaid is Federal and if it is medically necessary then the patient get's the equipment.

                              I am not sure where you acquired this information but it is erroneous at best.

                              With that kind of thinking, there would be many people sitting on the curbs having been thrown out of nursing homes and hospitals because their care cost to much and funds were exhausted. Please do some research.

                              I am sure the state funds are calculated via data mining in what they know about an individual patient and maybe funds are allocated for each patient yearly based on what they may or may not need BUT ultimately you should not be told that the state is out of funds if you really need a wheelchair.

                              The above is a very good read for all of us as it contains specific court cases. There are law firms around the country that will help you appeal a Medicaid Medical Necessity decision. I belong to an organization that takes on these kinds of issues.
                              Last edited by darkeyed_daisy; 23 Jul 2016, 4:24 PM.
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