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    #61
    yep
    Chas
    TiLite TR3
    Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
    I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

    "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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      #62
      Originally posted by chasmengr View Post
      The meeting went well. The TiLite engineer who is responsible for final sign off of all fabrication was in a meeting, so no official decision exists yet, but the rep with whom I met acknowledges the chair was not built according to approved CAD. And VA had me leave the TR with them, and asked that I hold on to the packing material for now. The rep told me that in his experience, TiLite has always made it right.
      They made it right for me. Built me a whole new chair. I hope they do the same for you.
      -ResonantEcho - T6/T7 Complete - October 31st, 1986

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        #63
        Originally posted by ResonantEcho View Post
        They made it right for me. Built me a whole new chair. I hope they do the same for you.
        Great to know! Thanks
        Chas
        TiLite TR3
        Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
        I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

        "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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        UNKNOWN AUTHOR>

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          #64
          Originally posted by elarson View Post
          The chair is beautiful. Well done on all the design and the styling.

          I think you are being incredibly patient Chas, and I applaud you for it. I agree, it could have just been a last minute mistake, and better to give them a chance to respond. Whatever you do, don't let anyone back down from getting the chair you designed and signed off on.

          Just as a note, should you ever want to consider a ZX-1 power add-on, it would probably be impossible with that added bracket.
          Thanks, E.
          Chas
          TiLite TR3
          Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
          I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

          "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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          UNKNOWN AUTHOR>

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            #65
            Originally posted by ResonantEcho View Post
            They made it right for me. Built me a whole new chair. I hope they do the same for you.
            X2

            It would be a shame to just get a "fix" based on adding/welding to the existing frame.
            "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

            "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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              #66
              Hey Chas - Any news?

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                #67
                Looking good! Glad to hear your new chair is almost there! Now this may be a silly question - you're very knowledgeable and have researched this inside and out and you clearly have a set up that works and is comfortable for you. So please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just curious and have had several questions for a while. As someone who is quite minimalist with my chair (ie. I prefer my standard handrims to surges when it's not winter because I can def feel the extra weight and it doesn't maneuver as easy. Or I compare my old TR with my new one, adding the brakes, sideguards and clamps make it feel so much heavier) - I can't wrap my head around why get a Tilite TR if you're going to add 30+ lbs of add-ons to it? Probably more if you factor in the wheels, nevermind the firefly - my first thought was whoa, that thing probably weighs as much as me, I'd rather sit my butt in a hospital clunker twice my size as it would be easier to push? Do the benefits really outweigh how heavy the whole set up is? I even wonder if you managed to strip it down to the bare essentials, would you need the power assist as much (= more weight you don't have to deal with).

                Surely getting a TR can't be for the weight, less flex and more durability maybe? I remember you saying you stand up to load your chair in the car. I suppose someone has already mentioned this to you and I am sure that you have thought about this but ever thought of going a bit lighter? What happens when you can no longer load it? Must be incredibly heavy to push despite the power assist or more difficult than it could be loading all that in the car?
                Last edited by twistties; 23 Aug 2015, 11:39 PM.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by webfoot View Post
                  Hey Chas - Any news?
                  nope . . .

                  I even emailed a status report request last week, and no response . . . yet . . .

                  Thanks for asking!


                  Originally posted by twistties View Post
                  Looking good! . . . my first thought was whoa, that thing probably weighs as much as me, I'd rather sit my butt in a hospital clunker twice my size as it would be easier to push?
                  Thanks

                  My loaded AeroZ weighs in at about 60# (sans Dragonfly, which is another #25). Several weeks ago I rushed off to Menard's without my chair in the car, and ended up using a Menard's manual. WOW, it was a tank - awkward, hard to push, unfriendly. And using those standard push rims was awful. Even though my AeroZ is heavy, it's exceedingly nimble and friendly to use; turns on a dime, coasts fast, tracks straight, pushes easy, etc, etc.

                  Originally posted by twistties View Post
                  . . .Do the benefits really outweigh how heavy the whole set up is? I even wonder if you managed to strip it down to the bare essentials, would you need the power assist as much (= more weight you don't have to deal with).. . .
                  ABSOLUTELY!! The MagicWheels are not power assist; they are akin to low gear or four-wheel drive; I use them only in difficult spots like climbing a long steep hill or navigating through grass.

                  Originally posted by twistties View Post
                  Surely it can't be for the weight, less flex and more durability maybe? I remember you saying you stand up to load your chair in the car. I suppose someone has already mentioned this to you and I am sure that you have thought about this but ever thought of going a bit lighter? What happens when you can no longer load it? Must be incredibly heavy to push despite the power assist or more difficult than it could be loading all that in the car?
                  You're right, getting a TR is not about saving weight. It's for the durability (titanium and dual tube design), welded frame (minimizing quantities of fasteners and onboard tools), ergo seating (TR or ZR), and double axle capability (Dragonfly goes with me on the bus across town and across state).

                  I have stopped lifting my chair to load it. Last year, cancer treatment side effects created the need for ramp entry to my house and crane lift for my car. (Cancer's in remission - yeah - thank You, Lord).

                  PS: I have both CF and aluminum back shells (Jetream Pro and Jay3 of same heights and profiles). I much prefer the CF, not because it's lighter; it just feels so much better.
                  Last edited by chasmengr; 24 Aug 2015, 12:44 AM.
                  Chas
                  TiLite TR3
                  Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
                  I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

                  "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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                  UNKNOWN AUTHOR>

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                    #69
                    We went for low weight on everything that we could, but my husband's chair still weighs a lot due to all of the extra's. We can't get rid of all of the extra's and we are just grateful it does not weigh even more. I have no idea what my husband's chair weighs, but I think adding 30+ lbs to a lightweight chair is much better than adding it to an already heavy chair.
                    Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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                      #70
                      Hey chas i seen this and thought of your project, is it something that could work? http://orbitvu.co/001/TQfu45BNQtgvAV.../ov3601/2/view

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                        #71
                        Exactly!!

                        I'm still waiting to hear the status of my TR . . . VA instructed me not to contact TiLite directly about it.

                        Politics . . . red tape . . . bureaucracy . . .

                        My AeroZ stills serves me okay; I'm struggling to remain patient, though.
                        Chas
                        TiLite TR3
                        Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
                        I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

                        "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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                        UNKNOWN AUTHOR>

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                          #72
                          ah well heres hoping they sort it soon seems awhile since you gave it back, atleast there is an option to try add something like that chair has in the picture if you cant get it welded

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                            #73
                            Chas, I can imagine that you are struggling to remain patient. Has the VA made contact with you to let you know they are actively working on it?
                            Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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                              #74
                              VA called today; as suspected it's an internal TiLite issue. Tilite has realized their published TR slide-within-the-frame anti-tipper design is faulty - a strength issue of some sort (and I thought titanium was bullet proof). They won't provide that design anymore -- VA and I agree Tilite needs to change their published documentation.

                              Anyway, TiLite has offered to provide a different design of an adjustable anti-tipper. At my request VA is requesting Tilite provide a picture/drawing of their proposed design for me.
                              Chas
                              TiLite TR3
                              Dual-Axle TR3 with RioMobility DragonFly
                              I am a person with mild/moderate hexaparesis (impaired movement in 4 limbs, head, & torso) caused by RRMS w/TM C7&T7 incomplete.

                              "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but what I don't think you realize is that what you heard is not what I meant."
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                              UNKNOWN AUTHOR>

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                                #75
                                I can imagine that this has resulted in some serious scrums at TiLite. It's better you/they caught it now though, regardless of the delay. Yes, you definitely need the full design specs/drawing of the proposed design. If possible, see if you can get them to give it an extended warranty since you will be on the hopefully *not* bleeding edge of the new design. I think that is the least they can do considering all that you have done with providing them so much information. Hopefully it will also help if you can be in contact with them directly about it.
                                Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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