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    #46
    I think to be fair, one would need to see what you were getting every three months prior to installing them. When I was using them, I too was getting hair behind them, but found it to be far less than without them. So, while I still had to clean them out, it was less often.
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      #47
      Originally posted by Brianm View Post
      I think to be fair, one would need to see what you were getting every three months prior to installing them. When I was using them, I too was getting hair behind them, but found it to be far less than without them. So, while I still had to clean them out, it was less often.
      I agree, to be completely conclusive, one would have to do an exact comparison with and without the frog shields. I didn't do that which is why I used "IMO" and "little to zero" in my language. I wasn't being absolute and am leaving it open to debate. Just my observations and opinion so I'd still consider that being fair. And either way, you can't take their words as being completely accurate here in their last sentence of the main paragraph: http://froglegsinc.com/products/frog-shield because you still do have to tweeze, hair still gets caught in the bearings, and they still get nasty.

      But I'd still recommend them to anyone interested in them.

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        #48
        We finally got some of these and they are great! A little hair still makes it in, but nowhere near as much as before. And I agree with others that they are much easier to install than spacers.
        Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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          #49
          Originally posted by Tsquared View Post
          ....... Without the shields it was impossible for me to get the collars installed without the assistance of someone else. But with the shields they are much easier to hold everything together and have everything aligned withing the fork. ......


          Originally posted by Mac85 View Post
          I kind of feel ripped off by the shipping price. The only option I could choose is 2 shipping which was $10 via PayPal
          $39.99 of these shields plus shipping seems reasonable to me and a waste of money. By what has been said by those who have them the hair still gathers and gets by to the bearing.
          If hair causes such a problem it indicates that more frequent use of a vacuum cleaner is required, or a better vac.
          Maybe brush the dog more frequently (outside) and get the women to do the same; not necessarily outside AND demand that she clean up after rather than leaving the hair on the floor to distribute through the house.
          From my perspective it appears that if you want to treat the symptom and not the cause you should buy a set.
          I clean my caster wheels maybe every 3-4 months not because of binding or excess but as a routine. The dog stays outside- the hair is my wifes'. I daren't demand that she cleans up

          The wheel cleaning is not a big chore for me as I have good hand function and I appreciate that some do not.
          Getting those damned spacers in place can be entertaining and would more often frustrate the bejeezuz out of me.

          Re Tsquared. Here is the work around that I have used of recent times.
          I have a length of stock (cut bolt dummy axle) that is just short of the total width of the wheel+spacers. It is chamfered at both ends. The wheel, spacers and dummy axle are
          pre-assembled and offered up to the caster fork then when lined up close enough, the dummy axle is pushed part through with my Phillips screwdriver (easier to hold).
          Finger on one side of the fork to prevent the axle passing further makes it easy as then the whole assembly is secure in place.
          Now we have the wheel assembly located, it is an easy job to install and slide the axle through then attach the button head machine screw, or bolt if that is what you use.
          Proceed to the next wheel.
          I don't know if I am preaching to the converted but that is how I have come to do this chore with relative ease.
          Last edited by slow_runner; 10 Sep 2019, 8:25 AM.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Brianm View Post
            The shields stay in place. (I just got them installed.) .....The cup part rests around the hub and up against the wheel, so there has to be some rubbing, ....... On the other hand, when we spin the wheel, it does spin, not "endlessly", but spins free enough. ...
            Making it 6 moths between cleanings is longer than I could go, but I work from home and pick up every piece of hair my wife loses.
            I have no experience of using these shields and doubt that I will, ever.
            From Brianms' image I could not determine if they are a shield with integral spacer that bears solely on the bearing inner race.
            If they are, I take it all back

            From Brianms' post
            The cup part rests around the hub and up against the wheel, so there has to be some rubbing, I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, I want no hindrance to the wheels spinning. On the other hand, when we spin the wheel, it does spin, not "endlessly", but spins free enough.
            Assuming that they do not have a dedicated integral spacer consider this.

            IMO if these shields are a solution to a problem, are designed to be used without wheel spacers and appear to not bear directly on the inner bearing race, they are a piss poor design and ill considered. Using these shields would mean there is no end load on the bearing inner race.
            Remember here that the correct construction of the castor assembly is spacer, inner bearing race, spacer, inner bearing race, spacer all tied in between the castor fork arms. The wheel is supposed to be constrained and rotate about this assembly in a fixed plain, no float except for what the bearing running clearance allows.
            With these shields, the wheel and shields with appropriate fastenings is all that governs the axial movement. Haphazard, sloppy engineering.
            Lets not mention the inevitable wear that will occur on the fork legs and wheel boss over time further aided by the hair that still gets by.
            Along with that, the bearings would float along the axle and that will likely cause wear on the axle and the alloy bore of the wheel.
            A nice earner for the wheel manufacturer?
            Last edited by slow_runner; 10 Sep 2019, 8:32 AM.

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              #51
              I have them and yes the cup and spacer are one piece very easy to install the caster versus the loose spacers. The caster assy. is captured correctly there is no slop when torqued. I also have good dexterity remaining. While some hair still collects around the spacer section the bearing does not collect any. Since the shield does not spin it does not wrap up like before. You can pull the hair from the spacer section with tweezers easily. I think they?re worth it as my Golden can shed with best, it never ceases to amaze me certain times of the year.

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                #52
                Seriously considering these. Too expensive? Yeah. Not perfect? Yeah. But I live in a house with 3 other people who each have very long hair which is impossible to keep up with. Even vacuuming daily I still get massive hair ball build up over time. Thanks for the update elarson!
                "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

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                  #53
                  FYI, Spinlife has them for 6.50 ea. Of course it’s x4 so 26.00 not sure S&H.

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                    #54
                    I should have read some of your posts better. We've had the Frog Shields for about 1.5 years. At first they were great, but then I had a harder time getting the hair out and it was needed more frequently. Finally today I figured out that it was better to completely remove the axle pin to clean them. I was reluctant to do that in the past because with the previous wheel spacers it was always such a hassle to get them aligned and back in. What a difference that makes! There were little hair circles a few milimeters thick jammed up to the bearings. It takes me about 5-10 minutes per caster now and it is really easy to get them back together. BTW, on the Frog Legs website they are now selling for $19.99, which seems much more reasonable to me.


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                    Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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