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    Car Transfer using Carbon Fiber Wheelchair

    Here's a short car transfer video using a carbon fiber rigid frame wheelchair. Low weight and minimal accessories make the dozen or times a day I do this much easier than with any other wheelchair I've used.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22d8LRyLDLc

    #2
    Looks effortless. What's carbon fiber on your chair?
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      #3
      The frame, backrest shell, seat cushion base and footplate are carbon fiber composite. The backrest frame and footrest tubes are aluminum.

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        #4
        Black Alloy,
        Have you had a chance to check out the Panthera X and compare transfer weights?
        Did you create this YouTube video to suggest that you're reconsidering your reluctance to (eventually) bring this design to market?
        Stephen
        stephen@bike-on.com

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          #5
          I've never had any first hand experience with the Panthera, but would very much like to. It's a very elegant design that is almost certainly lighter than mine. Shame that carbon frames can't really be made affordable enough for widespread use at this time. Carbon fiber supercars have the same limitation unfortunately.

          The video doesn't have any hidden purpose. We keep hearing (and I keep saying) that a carbon frame is light enough to make a noticeable difference, but I thought it might help to see what that actually gets you in daily use.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Black Alloy View Post
            The frame, backrest shell, seat cushion base and footplate are carbon fiber composite. The backrest frame and footrest tubes are aluminum.
            Together, since those are the parts (plus casters) you whip so casually in your car, how much do they weigh?
            I have had periodic paralysis all my life. I lost my ability to walk in 2011 beginning with a spinal block, which was used for a hip fracture caused by periodic paralysis.

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              #7
              The pick up weight is 10lb 8oz. Wheels and cushion not included. It really is remarkable how much difference a few pounds can make.

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                #8
                Since day 1 of my injury, I've always wanted a CF chair. its light and makes manoeuvring easier, resulting in lesser effort to move around, saving weight also means using less energy.
                I just got myself a Corima CF 4-bladed wheels which are light, slightly heavier than my SPOX LX.
                However the CF wheels is so stiff, the noticeable difference is lesser flex with every push. Hence the effort to push is not wasted and full strength goes into the propulsion instead of flex which is loss energy! Same would also apply to the CF wheelchair I believe. Titanium flexes a lot. I have yet had a chance to sit on a CF wheelchair, but I hope someday I can get one...without burning a hole in my wallet!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by smokinn.babe View Post
                  Since day 1 of my injury, I've always wanted a CF chair. its light and makes manoeuvring easier, resulting in lesser effort to move around, saving weight also means using less energy.
                  I just got myself a Corima CF 4-bladed wheels which are light, slightly heavier than my SPOX LX.
                  However the CF wheels is so stiff, the noticeable difference is lesser flex with every push. Hence the effort to push is not wasted and full strength goes into the propulsion instead of flex which is loss energy! Same would also apply to the CF wheelchair I believe. Titanium flexes a lot. I have yet had a chance to sit on a CF wheelchair, but I hope someday I can get one...without burning a hole in my wallet!

                  What you are saying applied to a daily wheelchair with all due respect to you "are nonsenses", just CF placebo effect.
                  The only real advantage is that will be lighter and will take less effort to put it into the car.

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                    #10
                    FYI: I've posted pics of my chair being weighed. Transfer weight (minus cushion and rear wheels, but, including side guards and brakes), is .3lbs lighter than the Black Alloy everyday CF chair's transfer weight (minus cushion and wheels, but, no brakes or side guards.). My chair is not CF.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Black Alloy View Post
                      The frame, backrest shell, seat cushion base and footplate are carbon fiber composite. The backrest frame and footrest tubes are aluminum.
                      Hi. What backrest Did you put on the chair? Did u need to modify any parts?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by totoL1 View Post
                        What you are saying applied to a daily wheelchair with all due respect to you "are nonsenses", just CF placebo effect.
                        The only real advantage is that will be lighter and will take less effort to put it into the car.
                        Well, to each its own, but I do not have very strong arms unlike some seniors here, hence the lighter the better for me. Weight will always be an issue for the weaker and we will always feel the difference more than those who are stronger...you won't understand it if you aren't in my position!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by smokinn.babe View Post
                          Well, to each its own, but I do not have very strong arms unlike some seniors here, hence the lighter the better for me. Weight will always be an issue for the weaker and we will always feel the difference more than those who are stronger...you won't understand it if you aren't in my position!
                          Well I have very strong arms mostly from riding my hand cycle about 70 miles a week. That being said, I got to say that putting my heave chair in my truck and then into the back seat (when the wife comes along) does not feel good at all. It is harder on my shoulders then a 20 mile ride, not sure why. So even with strong arms and shoulders I think that it would be beneficial to have a reasonably light chair. My ti-lite with the wheels and roho off still weighs about 24 pounds. That's a lot of weight, considering how far away from your body it is when being moved about.
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                            #14
                            Ha! Ha! Ha! Someone finally realized adding a million things onto wheelchair increases that weight. On top of transfers, pushing around all day, is far easier and much less wear on your body.

                            Originally posted by Black Alloy View Post
                            Here's a short car transfer video using a carbon fiber rigid frame wheelchair. Low weight and minimal accessories make the dozen or times a day I do this much easier than with any other wheelchair I've used.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22d8LRyLDLc

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by smokinn.babe View Post
                              Well, to each its own, but I do not have very strong arms unlike some seniors here, hence the lighter the better for me. Weight will always be an issue for the weaker and we will always feel the difference more than those who are stronger...you won't understand it if you aren't in my position!
                              Absolutey right on.
                              I've been trying out the Panthera X for about a week now and the difference between it and my titanium ZR is amazing. I can actually push up an ADA ramp with little effort whereas with any other chair it would be a total struggle(Left arm is C-5, Right is C-7). That extra 10 pounds, or lack of I should say, is huge for me and just enough to allow me to actually push manually places I normally wouldn't even consider.
                              I always thought like Toto1 that it wouldn't matter much since I don't load a chair in my car and that a chair less than 10 lbs would be too light. But i was dead wrong. It's an awesome chair!
                              Thanks for the video and thread Black Alloy. People need to be made aware of the benefits that CF chairs can bring to our lives. And hopefully you and other companies will jump in and help bring down the price.
                              Last edited by pattherat; 23 Jun 2013, 6:11 PM.
                              pat@beachmobility.com

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