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    Question about Icon wheelchair

    Hi,
    I am going to meet a PT and a wheelchair dealer on Tuesday. My current chair is a Ti ZRa, but I am interested in Icon chair. Adjustability seems very attractive. My curious part is for a break. Where is the break attached?
    As a C-6 complete, I put my hands on breaks when I lean forward. (so scissor breaks are not an option for me) Because of a balance problem due to a longer upper body, I am not able to lean forward too far.

    Does and quad use an Icon wheelchair? Where do you hold when you lean forward? Any balancing issue with the shock suspension? Also, how long does it take until the chair arrives after the order is placed?
    Last edited by JK; 25 May 2013, 9:32 PM.

    #2
    While I was looking at the Icon website & youtube, I got two more question:
    1. height of back post: Base on juggular's post on /forum/showthread.php?t=171111 , it seems we can extend the post. Is the back extender a special order?

    2. wheelie bar: Can we install wheelie bars to the chair?

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      #3
      I was waiting to see if one of the quads would chime in. I don't want you to feel like your questions are being ignored, but please keep in mind that I have my perspective skewed by good hand and upper body function.

      I have D's locks. One lever controlling two hub brakes. Because of the flexibility of the brake cables (like a bike's) I have a lot of options on placement of the lever. I chose to mount mine on the back post.

      [IMG]/forum/picture.php?albumid=900&pictureid=5406[/IMG]

      I know others have put their brake levers under the seat, but that would be bending too far forward for you. There is room to mount a lever on the outside of the side guard if you are using 0˚ camber.

      As to the backrest question, I did something that didn't require extender tubes. I have an ADI back. They have a slot for adjusting them up or down. I needed the seat further up than the slot would allow, so I measured carefully and drilled a hole in the back below the slot where the lower of the tightening bolts fits through. I doesn't seem to have effected the strength or stiffness of the back at all.

      Wheelie bars - do you mean Anti-tip bars? They are available as an option on the order form. There is a clearance problem with the older axle clamps for them, but Icon is already working on a fix that they have said they will ship out free to those who need them.

      How long it takes you to get your chair after your DME submits the order depends on how many custom options you want that are not manufactured by Icon. The ADI back and the D's locks both extended my wait because they had to be ordered by Icon after they got my order. Icon is still growing, small companies can't afford to tie up capital keeping every possible special order item on the shelf.

      Hope this helps. It's a great chair.
      Played with bombs- No SCI, Brain Damage enough that I require a chair and a caregiver.

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        #4
        IsMaisin,
        Thank you for your reply with very helpful input.
        Yes, I meant "anti-tip bars" and I feel I need them. For a back, I may order J2 back. Based on Youtube, ADI back seems similar to J3 back and I hate J3 because it is so hard to adjust things very slightly. On J2, back angle can be easily adjusted using a screw driver. With the Icon, back angle with the back itself may be less critical, but I may still order a J2.

        For the brake, my concern is not only how to operate breaks, but also how I can lean forward. The break itself gives me a place where I can put my hands and support my body when I lean forward. I am still not sure if there is any place I can put my hands when I lean forward.

        Thanks IsMaisin.

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          #5
          I believe the Icon offers transfer handles.
          Board Member of Assistance Dog Advocacy Project working in Education. Feel free to ask me any service dog questions!

          I am not paralyzed. I have a genetic connective tissue disorder with neuro complications and a movement disorder.

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            #6
            You can adjust the back angle on an Icon with no tools at all. There is an adjustment piece that goes from the seat pan to the bottom of the U shaped back posts. I can adjust mine by just reaching around and twisting it with my fingers - very helpful for relieving stress. With your limited hand strength, you would benefit from putting some sort of larger loop or handle on the knob.

            The front wing does give you some support leaning forward - and is even padded for a good grip, but it is a lot lower than the seat. I tend to use the wheels (after locking them) as a hand hold to help me move in or out of the chair.

            Played with bombs- No SCI, Brain Damage enough that I require a chair and a caregiver.

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              #7
              ~Lin, thanks. any detail information?

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                #8
                yes, the front wing seems too low for me. I agree. By adjusting Icon back, I may not need small change of J2/ADI back itself. Using wheels..... could be an option, but may be not safe enough....

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                  #9
                  I just looked at the Icon facebook and found this picture.
                  https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...95552848_n.jpg

                  This one shows a push-to-lock break somewhat similar to mine. Does anybody know about it? Thanks!

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                    #10
                    I don't have an Icon so I can only say from what I've read and seen here on the forum, but many people who were concerned about transfers without the front frame were told about optional transfer handles. They stick out about where the front frame and bend would be on a regular wheelchair. So maybe thats an option for you.

                    This came up when I googled for a photo: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...0939930&type=1
                    Board Member of Assistance Dog Advocacy Project working in Education. Feel free to ask me any service dog questions!

                    I am not paralyzed. I have a genetic connective tissue disorder with neuro complications and a movement disorder.

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                      #11
                      ~Lin,
                      Thank you for the link!. Frankly, the transfer handle is a little disappointing. Who want to carry extra big/long handle?
                      I searched this site more and found that many people have had hard time to make a private insurance pay for this chair. Ummm... I expected my work insurance pays this after my max-yearly out-of pocket. It seems I need to talk to a dealer about it more....

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JK View Post
                        ~Lin,
                        Thank you for the link!. Frankly, the transfer handle is a little disappointing. Who want to carry extra big/long handle?
                        I searched this site more and found that many people have had hard time to make a private insurance pay for this chair. Ummm... I expected my work insurance pays this after my max-yearly out-of pocket. It seems I need to talk to a dealer about it more....
                        Hi JK-

                        My guess is Jeff Adams (founder of ICON and all around awesome guy) will jump into this discussion soon.

                        I would argue it is not the insurance companies are causing the issues. When I tried to get an ICON the dealer was the issue. They would play nice with Jeff then give me a line about my insurance company asking for "this or that" to proceed.

                        They continued to tell me if I went with a TiLite they could easily get it through insurance. I called my insurance liaison and asked him to figure out exactly what the the insurance company needed. Turns out the DME never turned in anything or spoke in any way to the insurance company.

                        I finally gave up and bought a chair off eBay.

                        My point: make sure you are using a dealer who is more concerned about YOU than which chair they will make the most profit off of.

                        E
                        There is no such thing as a stupid question but there sure are a lot of inquisitive idiots. -modified from despair.com

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JK View Post
                          ~Lin,
                          Thank you for the link!. Frankly, the transfer handle is a little disappointing. Who want to carry extra big/long handle?
                          I searched this site more and found that many people have had hard time to make a private insurance pay for this chair. Ummm... I expected my work insurance pays this after my max-yearly out-of pocket. It seems I need to talk to a dealer about it more....
                          The transfer handles are designed to be mounted to the front wing using a clamp that is similar to the style used for mounting wheel locks on most chairs. They are not quick release.

                          If your trunk control is not good and you absolutely need a couple of inches of frame tubing in front of your upholstery for balance, weight shifts, or transfers, the Icon may not be the best chair for your needs. At a minimum, you need to demo one and make certain it will work before pulling the trigger.

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                            #14
                            I have an Icon and I also have relatively poor trunk control (along with scoliosis). When I need to lean forward I usually rely on the corner of the seat since it's firm. This works most of the time but you have to be able to grab the corner which isn't a lot of space.

                            When I got the chair I also got the transfer handle. It proved too cumbersome for me so it is not longer mounted on the chair. For transfers, again, I rely on the corner of the chair. This is sometimes risky as I have occasionally missed the corner on a transfer and was then given an opportunity to practice my floor to chair transfers.

                            I am inclined to agree with SCI_OTR; if you absolutely have to have a goodly amount of support, you might have some issues. I have reasonably decent upper body strength and that helps considerably.

                            In general though I am quite happy with my Icon. The adjustability allows me to experiment with different configurations and the suspension does make the ride smoother.

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                              #15
                              Essie, SCI_OTR & StarLord,
                              Thanks for all of your good input.
                              Frankly, I have a little mixed feeling about Icon. Adjustability is really great feature. Especially, for people (such as myself) who are very sensitive on the shape of a chair. I am very sensitive on certain angle and this is why I much prefer J2 back over J3 back as I described earlier. But, after getting "the" right shape, I am wondering how often I would change the shape before ordering a new chair.
                              Suspension.... I think I can enjoy it a lot , but also wondering if I would have any balancing issue.

                              For the transferring point.... unfortunately, I am not able to transfer by myself and just sit on a char for 15+ hours a day after I sit in the morning. So, I am not worrying about "transferring" point, but some space to support my upper body when I lean forward.
                              It seems the push-to-lock break shown on the facebook picture would give me some space I need if I can get a little longer break handle.

                              Since my second & third (with is the current) are Ti wheelchairs, I am willing to change the chair, but yes, I feel like I need some demo or more info before making the final decision.
                              If there is any quad using the Icon, I am very interested in hearing their input!

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