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    #46
    Originally posted by offroaderswife View Post
    I do it from a small SUV. Toyota Venza. T-10 complete. I don't think I could do it from the highlander or bigger SUV. The Venza is probably considered more cross-over. I just have big tires and 20 inch wheels so it seems more SUV-ish. Just added a toe package to it too. It's a great car if your looking for a cross-over/SUV, Lynnifer.
    I have a Denali with a Bruno lift, I can get my chair in it from the car but I am hanging way the fuck out of it and it is not something that is easy or that I do a lot. Certainly not as my daily car. I mostly drive my mini cooper when I am by myself. I was more commenting on that we have a mix of people that can walk a couple steps and therefore can have a heavier chair/load it in the back along with people like us that load from inside the car and it is hard to tell who is who in this thread.

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      #47
      Originally posted by t8burst View Post
      I imaging we have a mixture of walkers and completes in this thread. If you have to transfer your chair whilst sitting in the driver seat I doubt you are doing it from an SUV.
      I have a lift similar to this http://www.accessunlimited.com/pdfs/...gle%20Fold.pdf
      in my Tahoe. I don't use the lift to lift me up I just use the platform to sit on while I take the wheels off, jump in reach down grab the chair and throw it in the passenger seat.

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        #48
        I haven't dismantled a chair since I sold my Saturn w suicide door a decade and a half ago. My wife and I are chair users, we currently have 2 full sized Ford vans w Braun bifold, platform lifts. Driver and passenger seats in both vans are 6 way power so that we always do gravity transfers, never stressing shoulders. When doing multiple chores in the community one person drives while the other stays up in chair w tiedowns. Sometimes we will do 4 stops and in and outs in community, I cannot picture transferring, taking apart chair, stowing it, etc. My wife wants to get a ZX-1 which will stay in rear of van and be available as needed. I have never been able to make peace w a minivan because having the floor ripped out and rewelded and paying for it just bothers me. We are both able to do fine in a full sized van w standard roofline and no floor mods. One thing I like about this setup is that after transferring from driver seat to chair you can rearrange clothes before getting out - you don't have to be pulling at your crotch in public after transfer.

        If I wasn't closing in on 70 I might well want a sedan. I am attracted to classic, restored cars and recently have been looking at old Lincoln Continentals w suicide doors and also at a restored American Motors AMX. I think I would have a hard time w better half trying to close the deal on these, lol.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Andy View Post
          Also no fancy back, just the adjustable sling back which weighs a ton less.
          I'm with the standard sling back now for almost 28yrs and I was thinking it would be lovely to have something more suitable to a pre-menopausal 40yr old woman .. lol. Have you tried any of them - if so - what did you not like?

          Certainly lifting it in/out of my car is a concern ...

          But I am getting some pressure from the back of my sling back on an old tailbone area. Since I'm getting a frame replacement for my GTi, I was thinking it would be nice to have new upholstery too as I'm two years overdue for a new cushion.
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            #50
            Stripped ti chair here. 90% of the time i load and unload from subaru legacy.

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              #51
              My ZR, my only chair, goes out several days a week, never is broken down.

              I can walk some so with the ol’ Jeep Cherokee I simply pop the hatch, transfer my butt to one side of the trunk floor, grab the chair’s nearest front frame along with the far end of the rigidizer bar and swing the whole thing up and around and in.

              The stern rail of my wife’s Golf is too high for me to lift the chair up and over and down into the trunk and still maintain balance so she's the Man when using her VW.

              Light weight is important to us with a house on pilings, a stairway to be navigated every come-and-go, me having to rope-leash the chair up and down once every day or two if my Agile Better Half isn’t around to haul the freight.

              All up the ZR is quite light, give or take a pound about 21-22#s (bathroom scale method) including: CF tube and release bar, folding cloth back, 16x16 G10 pan, Stim Sport cushion, 25” LX/Marathons/Surge LTs, titanium stems/Slipstreams/5x1.4” FLAHSRs and composite scissor locks. Don’t use side guards.

              Far as weight, I doubt an equally-equipped TR3 would be half a pound different than a ZR.

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                #52
                Originally posted by ~Lin View Post
                So the TR5?
                Lol, yeah at the rate this 'replacement' project is going. This TR is becoming a shredded rattletrap, but it keeps going and going making me real lazy to order another one



                Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
                I'm with the standard sling back now for almost 28yrs and I was thinking it would be lovely to have something more suitable to a pre-menopausal 40yr old woman .. lol. Have you tried any of them - if so - what did you not like?
                I went from some clunky Jay back on my post-rehab chair to the "tension adjustable by straps" back and stuck with that. It has maybe 1/2" of high density foam in the back material, which rides on top of I think 4 straps that go across the 2 seat back posts. I cant tell how comfortable they are, but I have them set up to form what seems ok, with enough side to side support so I'm not tipping over like if the back was more-flat. So I guess it is an improvement over a fixed style sling where you can make it how you want it, without some 'designers' idea of what a wheelchair back should be. Much simpler, less weight and parts.

                Beyond this, I don't know much else about backs

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                  #53
                  I've returned to using upholstered backs, too. I've been through 3 CF shells from ADI, with custom making the padding myself, and still can't really justify the additional expense/fasteners/complexity/weight/comfort, whenever I compare it directly, Pepsi Challenge style, to the fabric on my particular setups and for my seating/positioning needs.


                  Originally posted by Andy View Post
                  Lol, yeah at the rate this 'replacement' project is going. This TR is becoming a shredded rattletrap, but it keeps going and going making me real lazy to order another one





                  I went from some clunky Jay back on my post-rehab chair to the "tension adjustable by straps" back and stuck with that. It has maybe 1/2" of high density foam in the back material, which rides on top of I think 4 straps that go across the 2 seat back posts. I cant tell how comfortable they are, but I have them set up to form what seems ok, with enough side to side support so I'm not tipping over like if the back was more-flat. So I guess it is an improvement over a fixed style sling where you can make it how you want it, without some 'designers' idea of what a wheelchair back should be. Much simpler, less weight and parts.

                  Beyond this, I don't know much else about backs
                  "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                  "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by DaleB View Post
                    I've returned to using upholstered backs, too. I've been through 3 CF shells from ADI, with custom making the padding myself, and still can't really justify the additional expense/fasteners/complexity/weight/comfort, whenever I compare it directly, Pepsi Challenge style, to the fabric on my particular setups and for my seating/positioning needs.
                    I would posit that for lower level paras with largely intact trunk control the benefits of a hard back may not justify the expense, etc. as compared to high quality back upholstery. I stopped using upholstered backs when the first Jay Back appeared on the market in the mid-'80s, so I have virtually no memory of what they're like.

                    I do know, however, that having a hard back allows me to trim the back posts very low (about 5"-6" from the top of the back) and that this allows me unobstructed rearward movement of my arms -- I ain't banging into anything. As always, when it comes to wheelchair options and setup it's all about trade-offs.
                    Last edited by stephen212; 17 Mar 2013, 10:31 AM.
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
                      I would posit that for lower level paras with largely intact trunk control the benefits of a hard back may not justify the expense, etc. as compared to high quality back upholstery. I stopped using upholstered backs when the first Jay Back appeared on the market in the mid-'80s, so I have virtually no memory of what they're like.

                      I do know, however, that having a hard back allows me to trim the back posts very low (about 5"-6" from the top of the back) and that this allows me unobstructed rearward movement of my arms -- I ain't banging into anything. As always, when it comes to wheelchair options and setup it's all about trade-offs.

                      Good point. I'm edging nearer to needing something with a bit more postural support, and control, too. For me it is also an important variable in pressure management, too, not only compensating for core. I have a sweet spot @ ~14.5", with the correct lower contours, where my seat mapping goes "green". (Which is entirely relatively, but meaning my hotspots cooled off, and visual inspection has continued to support the connection.)

                      That's quite a bit higher than I need in order to remain comfortably upright for extended periods of time. My old BBall chair had an 8" back.

                      I REALLY like the short back canes. I am forever whacking my elbows on the GT's.
                      Last edited by Oddity; 17 Mar 2013, 4:56 PM.
                      "I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it." - Edgar Allen Poe

                      "If you only know your side of an issue, you know nothing." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by stephen212 View Post
                        I would posit that for lower level paras with largely intact trunk control the benefits of a hard back may not justify the expense, etc. as compared to high quality back upholstery. I stopped using upholstered backs when the first Jay Back appeared on the market in the mid-'80s, so I have virtually no memory of what they're like.

                        I do know, however, that having a hard back allows me to trim the back posts very low (about 5"-6" from the top of the back) and that this allows me unobstructed rearward movement of my arms -- I ain't banging into anything. As always, when it comes to wheelchair options and setup it's all about trade-offs.
                        My new ZR will arrive with the standard upholstery, to be replaced with an 8" ADI carbon fiber back. If I left the upholstery on, the 12" back canes on my current chair would put the top of the back at 〜 5" above my side guards. The day I can compare the two can't come soon enough :-)

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