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    Getting new TiLite chair, from Q7 to Tilite

    Hi guys, I'm new here.

    After spending last 7 years in Quickie, I'm switching to TiLite.
    I read big amount of posts here, but I still have few big dilemmas.

    I'm 6'4" 218 lbs, now sitting in Helium (European version of Q7)
    SW 16.5"
    SD 17.3"
    FSH 18.9"
    RSH 15.7"
    BH 14.8"
    24" wheel
    (odd dimensions are from conversion from cm)

    I measured OFL, it is 24" in my current chair.


    I would go with this specs on Tilite:
    SW 17"
    SD 17.5" + 1" frame length
    FSH 19"
    RSH 15.5"
    BH 15" + ROHO Agility back with integrated fold down pushandles
    front angle: 85 deg



    Now, my Q and dilemmas:

    1. TR3 or ZR?
    I read several posts about better stiffness and rolling performance of TR3, but my concern is in-car loading.
    I put my frame on back seat, behind co-driver seat. Does anybody have some pics or video of chair loaded like that? I didn't found any on YouTube.
    And yeah, I don't fold my back while loading it on back seat.

    2. Ergo seat
    I found it very interesting, and I think my posture would be better and probably prevent pelvic obliquity.
    But, I don't know how would I measure it, should I stay at 3.5" dump?
    I'm using ROHO Quadtro select low prifile

    3. Seat width
    I now have sw 42 cm (equal to 16.5 inch), but distance between sideguards is about 44 cm (17.3"). I use fendered carbon sideguards, and i'll order the same one on Tilite chair.
    Does sideguard clamps adds width to chair? Maybe I should use 16" SW? or also order custom dimension 16.5"?

    4. Fendered carbon sudeguards
    Yes, I'm from Europe, and here we are using fendered sideguards
    I would choose Fendered Removable s-guards, but I'm used to not remove those while folding back (when I'm not loading chair in car, my GF folds back down and put whole chair in trunk of my caravan (A4 Avant)).
    My question is, can I fold back down with CF sideguards on?


    I think that would be it (at least for now)


    Thanks for reading and helping

    #2
    Am sittng on TR3 and 6'2". Have CF sideguard. No folddown on mine. Somply inset into bracket mounted onto frame. Not even lock in. Sidegaurd mount on my chair no additional width. Not even close. Sitting on 26" Spinergy 26" SLX. Mount for CF sideguards barely wider than the sideguard itself. Car loading has always gone into a Chevy Traverse. Never taken apart.

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      #3
      imo tr hands down. ive had 2 zr1 and 1 zr2, great chairs but nothing compared to the tr series. MINE is lighter, tighter, less flex and just overall better for me. be sure you get rounded frame.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Nick87 View Post
        2. Ergo seat
        I found it very interesting, and I think my posture would be better and probably prevent pelvic obliquity.
        Why?

        IMO, any issues with pelvic obliquity are better addressed through the cushion and backrest. I'm a seating specialist who is pretty current on clinical research and is fairly knowledgeable about the physiology of SCI and the bio-mechanics that affect posture. The only evidence I have seen to suggest that there are any benefits to an ergo seat has been the anecdotal reports posted here by members in this forum. My experience prescribing them has been hit or miss at best.

        I remain unconvinced that a clinically sound rationale exists. Ergo seats have been around long enough that they should have become the norm by now if they consistently provided the postural benefits claimed in the marketing literature. Since an ergo set will limit the types of cushions you can use, be careful about making assumptions about how it may improve your posture--especially if you already have a pelvic obliquity.

        Unfortunately, that needs to be my last post in this thread for awhile. I need to work on a presentation I will be giving at an international conference on seating that will be taking place in the coming weeks at an undisclosed location.

        Good luck with your chair!
        Last edited by SCI_OTR; 24 Feb 2013, 12:38 PM.

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          #5
          I have a pair of the TiLite fendered CF sideguards. I can fold down my back without taking out the sideguards but the hardware from my Jetstream back has scratched the inside a little. FWIW I only use them when it is raining or wet outside, other times I just use regular sideguards.

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            #6
            I've had 2 Zr and now a Tr. The Tr is a better responding chair. Due to the small door opening in the A4 and the fact you're not a small person, you'll probably want to stick with the folding back and the CF removeable side guards. You can always practice loading your current chair without folding the back to make sure. Only vehicle so far I can't pull my chair over my lap in are BMW X5 and the 3 series.

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              #7
              Originally posted by jschism View Post
              I've had 2 Zr and now a Tr. The Tr is a better responding chair. Due to the small door opening in the A4 and the fact you're not a small person, you'll probably want to stick with the folding back and the CF removeable side guards. You can always practice loading your current chair without folding the back to make sure. Only vehicle so far I can't pull my chair over my lap in are BMW X5 and the 3 series.
              I didn't fold the backrest down when I was loading it, I just need that option when somebody else puts my chair in trunk.
              What are dimensions of your TR?

              @ t8burst - I was thinking to take 2 pair of sideguards, and use it like you do.

              @ SCI_OTR - That was my MHO reading others users posts (not yours, course ). Thanks for your post, and don't leave, please


              @ everybody else - thanks, I think 1st dilemma is solved

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                #8
                just fyi, my tr2 is fully rigid, welded back and sideguards. makes nioticable difference. my back is 17 and i pull over me getting it in out volvo v70 wagon. im 6'2 200
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                  #9
                  I am your size but heavier and I ordered a TR3, have you considered taking the reinforced frame option?

                  Due to the way you load your chair into your car, I would go for a ZR as the TR would be more difficult to move on back seat due to its box frame.
                  I put my chair on passenger front seat and that makes a big difference.

                  The Helium I tried had fendered side guards that could not be removed and it was painful to load the chair and also the backrest could not fold completely due to them.
                  I also think you should take removable side guards.

                  You say you want SD 17.5" but as far as I know Tilite offers only 17" or 18".

                  You may want to post a photo of you in your chair to get better advice.
                  Last edited by Big; 24 Feb 2013, 12:35 PM.
                  My TR3

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                    #10
                    As you are from Europe, have you considered an ORacing wheelchair?
                    My TR3

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                      #11
                      We have ordered an ADI carbon fiber seat base with ADI carbon fiber folding sideguards, and will also have an ADI back for a TiLite ZRA with a folding back. We don't have them yet, because we are waiting for the chair to arrive so that we can make a template for the sideguards.

                      We did this because I as a helper with the chair am very good at losing wheelchair pieces -- footrests, sideguards, etc. I've more than once needed to go back to find things.

                      Here are some pictures:


                      Originally posted by Nick87 View Post
                      Hi guys, I'm new here.

                      After spending last 7 years in Quickie, I'm switching to TiLite.
                      I read big amount of posts here, but I still have few big dilemmas.

                      I'm 6'4" 218 lbs, now sitting in Helium (European version of Q7)
                      SW 16.5"
                      SD 17.3"
                      FSH 18.9"
                      RSH 15.7"
                      BH 14.8"
                      24" wheel
                      (odd dimensions are from conversion from cm)

                      I measured OFL, it is 24" in my current chair.


                      I would go with this specs on Tilite:
                      SW 17"
                      SD 17.5" + 1" frame length
                      FSH 19"
                      RSH 15.5"
                      BH 15" + ROHO Agility back with integrated fold down pushandles
                      front angle: 85 deg



                      Now, my Q and dilemmas:

                      1. TR3 or ZR?
                      I read several posts about better stiffness and rolling performance of TR3, but my concern is in-car loading.
                      I put my frame on back seat, behind co-driver seat. Does anybody have some pics or video of chair loaded like that? I didn't found any on YouTube.
                      And yeah, I don't fold my back while loading it on back seat.

                      2. Ergo seat
                      I found it very interesting, and I think my posture would be better and probably prevent pelvic obliquity.
                      But, I don't know how would I measure it, should I stay at 3.5" dump?
                      I'm using ROHO Quadtro select low prifile

                      3. Seat width
                      I now have sw 42 cm (equal to 16.5 inch), but distance between sideguards is about 44 cm (17.3"). I use fendered carbon sideguards, and i'll order the same one on Tilite chair.
                      Does sideguard clamps adds width to chair? Maybe I should use 16" SW? or also order custom dimension 16.5"?

                      4. Fendered carbon sudeguards
                      Yes, I'm from Europe, and here we are using fendered sideguards
                      I would choose Fendered Removable s-guards, but I'm used to not remove those while folding back (when I'm not loading chair in car, my GF folds back down and put whole chair in trunk of my caravan (A4 Avant)).
                      My question is, can I fold back down with CF sideguards on?


                      I think that would be it (at least for now)


                      Thanks for reading and helping
                      Partner of an incredible stroke survivor. Limitations: hemiparesis and neglect (functional paralysis and complete lack of awareness on one side). Equipment: TiLite ZRA 2 and 2GX, Spinergy ZX-1, RioMobility Firefly. Knowledge: relative newbie for high-level equipment (2012), but willing to try to help others who are new with similar limitations (definitely not a guru, but inquisitive).

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                        #12
                        Did your helium come with the carbon fiber side guards? Or were they purchased separately? I have a Q7 and would love carbon fiber fendered side guards, hadn't seen them available here. I've been wondering if I could find (and afford lol) some fender side guards that would be able to be used in place of my armrests.
                        Board Member of Assistance Dog Advocacy Project working in Education. Feel free to ask me any service dog questions!

                        I am not paralyzed. I have a genetic connective tissue disorder with neuro complications and a movement disorder.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Big View Post
                          I am your size but heavier and I ordered a TR3, have you considered taking the reinforced frame option?

                          Due to the way you load your chair into your car, I would go for a ZR as the TR would be more difficult to move on back seat due to its box frame.
                          I put my chair on passenger front seat and that makes a big difference.

                          The Helium I tried had fendered side guards that could not be removed and it was painful to load the chair and also the backrest could not fold completely due to them.
                          I also think you should take removable side guards.

                          You say you want SD 17.5" but as far as I know Tilite offers only 17" or 18".

                          You may want to post a photo of you in your chair to get better advice.
                          I attached few pics of me sitting in current chair.

                          Why reinforced frame? Weight limit on TR is 265 lbs. I even have few options on Helium (oval backrest and "clip style" seat sling) that have weight limit 100 kg (220 lbs.) and never had problem with it.
                          Titanium even should be stronger, right?

                          Regarding in-car loading, I recline my seat and fold codriver backrest (I have seats from cabrio), so loading isn't hard now.
                          Only thing that I'm curious about is bigger space that TR3 would take on back seat.

                          @~Lin - @ us fendered sideguards are standard, everyone has it. I don't know if they are available on Q7. Sideguards are attached on back post and have sort of "slider" on it when you're folding back.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nick87 View Post
                            I attached few pics of me sitting in current chair.

                            Why reinforced frame? Weight limit on TR is 265 lbs. I even have few options on Helium (oval backrest and "clip style" seat sling) that have weight limit 100 kg (220 lbs.) and never had problem with it.
                            Titanium even should be stronger, right?
                            Well maybe I am more rude with my chair than you as I have never been able to keep a chair more than 3 years, I always broke frame or backrest before, this time I'd be happy to keep it 5 years.
                            If you plan to keep your new chair also 7 years, this will be a good investment, though it adds 500g to your chair weight but it may help also if you plan to use a power assistance in the future.

                            Titanium is stronger than aluminum at same thickness so to build lighter chairs they use thinner tubes. So in the end, a titanium chair is not stronger.

                            Originally posted by Nick87 View Post
                            Regarding in-car loading, I recline my seat and fold codriver backrest (I have seats from cabrio), so loading isn't hard now.
                            Only thing that I'm curious about is bigger space that TR3 would take on back seat.
                            By reclining seat, you should be OK with a TR3 but you should test it by adding some stuff to your chair with tape and cardboard, or wood to simulate a frame box.
                            Last edited by Big; 25 Feb 2013, 6:08 AM.
                            My TR3

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                              #15
                              Few comments on your photos, they are a bit dark and we can't see the full caster wheels but you have a good posture.

                              It's difficult to say what is the front angle, have you tried to measure it? A friend of mine has an Helium and her front is 80°, I don't know if it's an option.

                              It seems that your footrest is quite low, I had same problem for years because of long legs and because I wanted to fit under all tables, now I have a slightly higher FSH to have higher foot rest and my chair is safer.
                              Last edited by Big; 25 Feb 2013, 6:26 AM. Reason: Deleted wrong comment on RSH
                              My TR3

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