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    #31
    Yeah, I get that. For appearances I just wash a lot, but I'm not bothered personally by dirty hands.
    And I don't care so much about filth and germs. My immune system is pretty strong so even though I'm sure I ingest billions of microscopic buggers every month I very rarely get sick. The best (worst?) is the state fair where I'm pushing milles through crowded streets and stop every ten minutes to eat finger food.

    I'm one of those who's convinced that antibacterial soaps and hand sanitizers will lead to the demise of western civilization.

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      #32
      My connective tissue disorder causing my skin to be faulty, so for me its not a matter of building up callous my skin will always tear and abrade right off easily. Even leather does it to me, when I was training horses I couldn't go without gloves.

      I wear cheap palm coated gardening/all purpose/etc gloves. They're the stretchy fabric ones with nitrile or polyurethane coated palms. I started off with free pairs my old roommate got from work and then found ones to order for 99 cents a pair. So I have about 20 pairs, half white with grey palms and half black on black. They fit about the same as latex Drs gloves, are super thin and form fitting but stretch over my wrist braces great, they come a lot of sizes I wear 7. Cheap, I can throw them in the wash after a couple wears and still always have clean pairs ready, doesn't matter if I lose a glove or a pair. I cut the fingers off them, leave the thumbs intact in about half. I've actually been complimented on them before! Then people are surprised they're just cheap gloves I cut the fingers off of.

      Brian, I thought you were the one that got the same gloves as me but a winter type pair and loved them?
      Board Member of Assistance Dog Advocacy Project working in Education. Feel free to ask me any service dog questions!

      I am not paralyzed. I have a genetic connective tissue disorder with neuro complications and a movement disorder.

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        #33
        My hands got all torn up for the first few years. But not any more. In fact I think the rails polish my hands.

        Aside from the glove issue. I wonder which is better for the hand, NFs or grabbing the tire + rails? After all, the hand can be practically open when grabbing the tire + rails, and mo matter how ergonomic the NF is compared to the standard rail, it still may not be as ergonomic as the grabbing the tire + rails. Only one way to find out.

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          #34
          Have you tried the Nfs? Mixed reviews.

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            #35
            I am going to try them out. Probably go with the NF + sure grip.

            I prefer pneumatic ties. But if I am going to be away from the home for a long time I want the shox tires.

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              #36
              I've been toying with the idea of changing my handrims setting so they're attached as short tabs, and I"m glad to have some insight into what that might entail. Thanks guys!
              Tourette's Syndrome - motor tics of the legs, feet and back, which can make it difficult or impossible to walk

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                #37
                Be sure to set aside a whole afternoon and absolutely get a power drill with a phillips bit. It can take a few hours and it's easy to get tired from all that screwing.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by brian View Post
                  it's easy to get tired from all that screwing.
                  That's why I let her do all the work.

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                    #39
                    In December, I switched from NaturalFits without the thumb piece to Surge handrims. The only thing I regret is not doing it sooner. I have marginal hand function to use a handrim that is not coated without gloves (Grip on right is is about 60% normal, left is about 30%).

                    Even on smooth surfaces, I'll develop pain in my wrists and fingers if I try pushing for more than 100 yards with an anodized hand rim or a NaturalFit LT. I can't stand wearing push gloves because they interfere with my dexterity.

                    With my original glossy finish NaturalFits which I lined with Scotch 2242 rubber splicing tape, I never had to push on the tire and only wore gloves in the winter. I had to rely on my ulnar digits to grip the underside of the rim for traction, and this sometimes led to wrist strain with extended pushing on padded carpet (e.g. hotels) or on long grades.

                    With the Surge handrims, I'm am much more efficient and no longer have to stress the ulnar portion of my wrist. Now I know what it feels like to be able to push like a para (you guys have it so much easier).

                    I routinely attain speeds which are probably as fast as the rest of you and haven't had any issues with burning my hands yet. While one needs to modifiy their braking technique to avoid contact with the Gription strip, the standard size Surge will still provide plenty of surface area for braking. I'm not sure that would be the case for the typical male hand with Surge LT's.

                    An unexpected bonus is that I can push in the snow without having to grasp at all if I'm wearing my Hatch NS430L Winter Specialist Neoprene Gloves or Hatch APG30 Artic Patrol Gloves. (I wear the latter when it is colder than 20 degrees, or if my neoprene gloves are still wet).

                    It is also possible to use the standard NF thumb piece with the Surge for those who want to use their thumbs more for braking.

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                      #40
                      I am used to going fast and stopping with a wheelie. How would you do that with the surge?

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Axle View Post
                        I am used to going fast and stopping with a wheelie. How would you do that with the surge?
                        That would probably require the thumb piece.

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                          #42
                          Right. Now you are back to the RSI, which is what you were trying to avoid.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Axle View Post
                            Aside from the glove issue. I wonder which is better for the hand, NFs or grabbing the tire + rails? After all, the hand can be practically open when grabbing the tire + rails, and mo matter how ergonomic the NF is compared to the standard rail, it still may not be as ergonomic as the grabbing the tire + rails. Only one way to find out.
                            The ergonomics aren't just about the hand but the wrist as well. I know the only way for me to grab the tire along with the hand rims while keeping my wrists in a neutral ergonomic position (which is forced by my wrist braces) I end up having to put my elbows or shoulders into a non neutral ergonomic position... So I think it would be difficult to achieve ergonomic for all of the joints with pushing on the tire. Or maybe different body conformation comes in here and one way is more ergonomic for one person but not the next.
                            Board Member of Assistance Dog Advocacy Project working in Education. Feel free to ask me any service dog questions!

                            I am not paralyzed. I have a genetic connective tissue disorder with neuro complications and a movement disorder.

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                              #44
                              My style means I cup the rail with my palm. I like the surge except for that one problem, which happens to be a showstopper. For that matter, I may not want any thumb piece.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Axle View Post
                                I am used to going fast and stopping with a wheelie. How would you do that with the surge?
                                Are you talking about going down a grade while in a wheelie and needing to stop, at the bottom, or are you talking about pulling up in a wheelie as part of your braking technique?

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