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  • My Permobil M300 3G is in the shop

    Last evening I started to raise the automatic foot/leg rests and a red warning light by the switches started flashing. Then an ICS "legs error 209A" appeared in the LCD. Everything but the leg rests still worked. This morning everything seemed screwed up and only worked intermittently. The tech checked all the easy stuff like wire connections but all seems well. He took it to the shop to start tearing it down. I only got the chair last August. I was disappointed to learn that the Intelligent Control System (ICS) is not very smart. The error code does not pinpoint the problem.

    In the meantime, I am back in my Quickie GT and my shoulders are already starting to scream. I will keep you posted.
    You will find a guide to preserving shoulder function @
    http://www.rstce.pitt.edu/RSTCE_Reso...imb_Injury.pdf

    See my personal webpage @
    http://cccforum55.freehostia.com/

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    That's a bummer and I thought Permobil was supposed to be high quality. My favorite error code on my Quantum is "Error code #2. Please contact your vendor." That's a big help if I'm out cruising somewhere. Fortunately, I can clear it by turning the chair off and on. Hope they get to the bottom of your problem quickly.
    Tom

    "Blessed are the pessimists, for they hath made backups." Exasperated 20:12

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
      Last evening I started to raise the automatic foot/leg rests and a red warning light by the switches started flashing. Then an ICS "legs error 209A" appeared in the LCD. Everything but the leg rests still worked. This morning everything seemed screwed up and only worked intermittently. The tech checked all the easy stuff like wire connections but all seems well. He took it to the shop to start tearing it down. I only got the chair last August. I was disappointed to learn that the Intelligent Control System (ICS) is not very smart. The error code does not pinpoint the problem.

      In the meantime, I am back in my Quickie GT and my shoulders are already starting to scream. I will keep you posted.
      Do you have the R-Net joystick and electronics? Permobil admits there's a problem with the 7-8 cables in this system having a propensity to break because they were all made on the cheap (thinner than they should be). Permobil also told me they can't do anything about it because they outsource to PG Drives Technology (http://www.pgdt.com/) who makes their joysticks/cables, and PG won't fix it until they sell out of their existing inventory (even though they know there's a problem!). You can read about this on the thread I started Jan. 2011 here:

      https://www.carecure.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176983
      Last edited by beatscookin; 05-24-2012, 02:18 AM. Reason: corrected PNG to PG Drives Technology (http://www.pgdt.com/)

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      • #4
        Yes, I have the R-Net controller with the monochrome LCD. The wires and connections looked to be in excellent condition, but I guess there could still be a problem.
        You will find a guide to preserving shoulder function @
        http://www.rstce.pitt.edu/RSTCE_Reso...imb_Injury.pdf

        See my personal webpage @
        http://cccforum55.freehostia.com/

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        • #5
          That stinks 55. We know the frustration of having a newer chair act up and make the world come to a halt. I used to think Dave's was possessed.
          I hope you have it back ASAP.

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          • #6
            I'm back in the saddle again. I just got my wheelchair back from my DME tech. The problem was a defective sensor in the actuator that raises/lowers the legrests. The tech pulled one off a demo and got me operational asap. I will get the new one when it arrives from Permobil. I was down for only 36 hours. Service as service should be.

            A service tip: I made it known to both the DME and Permobil rep that I would be posting my experience with the wheelchair on the Internet where it would be viewed by thousands of wheelchair users, as well as rehab professionals, around the world. I highly recommend you use this approach upfront we dealing with vendors and reps. They know the possible consequences.
            You will find a guide to preserving shoulder function @
            http://www.rstce.pitt.edu/RSTCE_Reso...imb_Injury.pdf

            See my personal webpage @
            http://cccforum55.freehostia.com/

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            • #7
              Good news 55!

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              • #8
                For once things work as they should.

                I believe P&G controllers are not up to task. Way too many complaints and for for MTS, a cheap way to operate the Omegatrac. The original wheelchair manufacturer dumped P&G electronics because they did not work well and failed a lot. Replaced with
                Liber T and never failed in 7 years.
                Last edited by forestranger52; 05-24-2012, 07:51 PM.
                C 5/6 Comp.
                No Tri's or hand function.

                Far better it is to try mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure. Than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much or suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory or defeat.

                Teddy Roosevelt

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
                  I'm back in the saddle again. I just got my wheelchair back from my DME tech. The problem was a defective sensor in the actuator that raises/lowers the legrests. The tech pulled one off a demo and got me operational asap. I will get the new one when it arrives from Permobil. I was down for only 36 hours. Service as service should be.

                  A service tip: I made it known to both the DME and Permobil rep that I would be posting my experience with the wheelchair on the Internet where it would be viewed by thousands of wheelchair users, as well as rehab professionals, around the world. I highly recommend you use this approach upfront we dealing with vendors and reps. They know the possible consequences.
                  Well I'm very pleased that you have posted your problem and how it was resolved because exactly the same thing started happening to my Permobil Corpus 500 today when I operated my leg rests. Basically, the button flashes red and then an little error code pops up. It's basically the same as yours, I think mine is 2092, but it certainly makes me think I have got the same problem, after all the chair is only six weeks old, it shouldn't have malfunctioned already. I've already had problems with the little bag clips, those stupid things just fell to pieces before I even use them, absolutely crap quality.
                  Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ironside View Post
                    Well I'm very pleased that you have posted your problem and how it was resolved because exactly the same thing started happening to my Permobil Corpus 500 today when I operated my leg rests. Basically, the button flashes red and then an little error code pops up. It's basically the same as yours, I think mine is 2092, but it certainly makes me think I have got the same problem, after all the chair is only six weeks old, it shouldn't have malfunctioned already. I've already had problems with the little bag clips, those stupid things just fell to pieces before I even use them, absolutely crap quality.
                    Sure sounds like the problem I had. Based on what my tech said, I suspect they got a whole batch of legrest actuators. The tech said the chairs are not repair friendly. He had to take a whole bunch of stuff apart to change mine.
                    You will find a guide to preserving shoulder function @
                    http://www.rstce.pitt.edu/RSTCE_Reso...imb_Injury.pdf

                    See my personal webpage @
                    http://cccforum55.freehostia.com/

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                    • #11
                      I must say that I am quite happy with my corpus 500 so far. However, I think permobil has really let themselves down a little when it comes to some of the accessories. I bought the back clips so that I should carry a bag, the clips are just cheap tacky rubbish that fell to pieces under vibration, and at £17 you would expect something really decent, after all a set of decent carabiners doesn't cost much more than a couple of quid.

                      Anyway, I will certainly make notes of what you have said and pass it on to the suppliers of my chair when I speak to them later on
                      Tetraplegic & Spinal Injury Site

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                      • #12
                        ICS Controll pannel probem on Permobil?

                        I also have permobil, and yesterday the ICS Controll pannel stopped working, the chair was on but the Controll Panela green lights all turned off, and the controll panel buttens would only beep, but not actually controll any functions - so I can only drive around,a nd not use any raise / elevatior / leg lift functions.
                        Does anyone know ehat this problem is? - is it some kind of fault with the R-Net / controll pannel, or electronics?

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                        • #13
                          My wife has a lightly used Permobile C400, last night we turned it on and went through all the functions; tilt, elevating seat, lights, etc. Suddenly the power bar started flashing - all the functions like leg rests, elevating seat, etc. kept working but chair would not move. I asked my wife to read through manual and asked how to disengage motors in case we had to push it. She read aloud the instructions for disengaging motors by moving 2 levers by r leg rest. The manual stated the power bar would flash if these were even slightly disengaged. I pushed down on the 1st lever and the power bar stopped flashing, went back to solid lights and the chair was again functional. Somehow one of the levers just got slightly out of position causing the problem. We will probably tape this lever into position so that it doesn't happen again.

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                          • #14
                            It sounds like there may be a disconnect or other problem with the seat wiring.
                            You will find a guide to preserving shoulder function @
                            http://www.rstce.pitt.edu/RSTCE_Reso...imb_Injury.pdf

                            See my personal webpage @
                            http://cccforum55.freehostia.com/

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                            • #15
                              Hi SCIfor55yrs., is your reply "It sounds like there may be a disconnect or other problem with the seat wiring"

                              In answer to my Question:

                              "ICS Controll pannel probem on Permobil?
                              I also have permobil, and yesterday the ICS Controll pannel stopped working, the chair was on but the Controll Panela green lights all turned off, and the controll panel buttens would only beep, but not actually controll any functions - so I can only drive around,a nd not use any raise / elevatior / leg lift functions.
                              Does anyone know ehat this problem is? - is it some kind of fault with the R-Net / controll pannel, or electronics?"

                              Or to the post after mine?

                              Thanks

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