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    My new handcycle - INTREPID MTB ......a product test

    This is my new handcycle: it is an Intrepid MTB Tourer. These are actual pictures of it before it was shipped to me....pretty damn sharp

    I spent some time talking with Graham, the builder and inventor, and ended up with these specs: standard MTB tires, upgraded rims. I also chose YELLOW, because only real men can pull that off ....oh and I upgraded to the 27 speed option.

    It should arrive Monday. And I am VERY excited.

    I'll give you guys a review for both on and off-road; and both with and without the Power Pod. I have great hopes for this machine....













    I like the minimal wheel camber here....just looks better




    And if this thing sucks, I will be first to let you know.


    #2
    When you get it Mark, would sure appreciate a photo where the down tube attaches to the fork near the seat. That was a weak point on the Top End XL; it attached much the same way. Looks much stronger on the upper portion of the downtube.

    I bet it'll be much more trail worthy than the leansteer. Dang, with the powerpod, you'll be able to go anywhere.

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      #3
      Looks like that may be a good off road cycle, lot's of ground clearance. Around what is the price on one of those? I like the way it's got the disc brake on the front like the FRH. I'd be interested to hear how you like the feel of the steering on that handcycle, that would be my one worry, definatly a different looking steering setup. You may want to keep your Freedom Ryder for road races and just use the Intrepid for off road.
      "Life is about how you
      respond to not only the
      challenges you're dealt but
      the challenges you seek...If
      you have no goals, no
      mountains to climb, your
      soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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        #4
        Originally posted by Curt Leatherbee View Post
        Looks like that may be a good off road cycle, lot's of ground clearance. Around what is the price on one of those? I like the way it's got the disc brake on the front like the FRH. I'd be interested to hear how you like the feel of the steering on that handcycle, that would be my one worry, definatly a different looking steering setup. You may want to keep your Freedom Ryder for road races and just use the Intrepid for off road.

        This is how my invoice broke down:

        $1,950 - Bike base model
        $426 - 27sp upgrade (from the standard 24sp)
        $361.32 - Wheel upgrade

        TOTAL: $2,737.32

        Shipping was another $120.

        With using the Power Pod 99% of the time, I honestly probably would not have needed to up grade those gears from the 24 to the 27. And the wheel upgrade was just pure vanity.....I thought the black rims would look so nice with the tires....

        I'll definitely take a close critical look at the steering mech.
        Last edited by MarkB701; 20 Apr 2012, 9:20 AM.

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          #5
          That's awesome! Very good deal compared to my Lasher ATH. Can't wait to hear how it performs.
          www.KeithLarocque.com

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            #6
            If it works out for you I may take a look at yours on my way back from Fla. How long a drive are you off I 95 Mark? I really may think about the base model for under 2 grand (not in yellow though because I'm tired of yellow, my wheelchair is yellow and my truck I just sold yellow, now I'm back to black, lol.) I'm cautiously optimistic about these intrepids though as a lot of the earlier reports on them when they first came out 5 years or so were not good, but maybe they have got better. Ya never know. If I do swing by there on my way back would you mind if I took it for a quick test ride?

            Oh ya, the other thing, I may buy one of those Paralyzer connectors from you then if you have any and another 3 pack bag, I like your idea of stacking the two 3 packs, they are nice and easy to handle and stacking them is a great idea, nice and easy to strap down and long range. When you get a chance see how many miles you can go with the two 3 packs stacked. That big battery I got (the 35 ah) does not go any further connected to the 2 12 ah batteries than if it were another 12 ah battery, I don't know why, but it's way too heavy and pretty much useless, sorry I wasted the $55.00 bucks on it now, would have been better off buying another 12 ah battery for ten bucks less.
            Last edited by Curt Leatherbee; 20 Apr 2012, 2:21 PM.
            "Life is about how you
            respond to not only the
            challenges you're dealt but
            the challenges you seek...If
            you have no goals, no
            mountains to climb, your
            soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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              #7
              Hey Curt, It would be great to finally meet you! You would drive up the 75 from Tampa to Atlanta, we could meet and do a nice ride together on the stunning roads around here. Then you press on to Chattanooga and head up the 81, past Knoxville. It would not be a big detour at all, and we would love to have you over - have a nice meal afterwards too About when are you headed up??

              And I can definitely sort you out with a Paralyzer, not a problem. I really enjoyed having that much potential distance available. We need to have an unofficial distance competition with these.....my longest was a 47 mile ride the other weekend.....and I hadn't run out. Although, my butt had definitely run out....I was so happy to get back in my day chair lol!!!

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                #8
                Sounds good Mark, I'll book the rental car an extra day, can you believe it $13.95 a day for a car rental one way back up north, cheaper than flying, lol. This time of year they want their cars back up north for the summer and I'm the guy to do it. I won't have a handcycle though, maybe I could ride your FR? I'm sure you will want to be on your new bike. The more I look at that though, the more I like the design, let's keep our fingers crossed it works out. I think something like that with those tires might even be able to go on the beach here in Fla, the sand on the beach I go too is not too soft. That knobby on the power pod really digs in. I'm putting a road tire on mine now as believe it or not I've already worn the knobby down to the cord from all the riding I've done on the paved bike path with it.

                I'm planning on leaving Fla May 4th, so hopefully that Saturday May 5th works ok for you? That's my Birthday too, I'm officially an old man then @ 54 years old.
                "Life is about how you
                respond to not only the
                challenges you're dealt but
                the challenges you seek...If
                you have no goals, no
                mountains to climb, your
                soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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                  #9
                  A birthday celebration too!!! although I hate to break it to you but were officially "old" already ....j/k

                  You can definitely ride the new bike as much as you want, I'll ride my old FreedomRyder. Let me check with the wife that there are no plans that weekend, but I believe we are free.

                  Great! Looking forward to it....

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                    #10
                    So Mark, can you get those wide knobbies with no wheel upgrade? Your route suggestion taking 75 to 81 sounds like a good idea, I get tired of 95 all the time. I like going through the state of TN too. I can drive straight to Atlanta from here, stay there and be at your place May 5th AM.
                    "Life is about how you
                    respond to not only the
                    challenges you're dealt but
                    the challenges you seek...If
                    you have no goals, no
                    mountains to climb, your
                    soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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                      #11
                      I think so. I remember asking Graham about that, and I think he said you could; you can certainly get the slightly thinner MTB tires on there, the more intermediate ones. And I reckon those might work the best. We would have to ask Intrepid to be sure. My heart was already set on the nice black ones that I didnt ask much about the standard ones.

                      And YES....I am free that weekend. It is actually the one weekend a month that Sam is in MS so it will a boys night out...perhaps we can get Krige and Kenny Herriot to come out? Actually, I bet we can get those boys to come out on a ride...!!!??

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                        #12
                        I was once testing a Lasher off-road handcycle while riding around some trails near the ocean in San Diego. Graham was there with one of the Intrepid bikes, and it had cyclo-cross tires on it. I was surprised that he had little trouble taking it anywhere that we were riding the Lashers. It actually has quite a bit of ground clearance. It's not the stiffest frame on the planet, but the flex actually helped to soak up the bumps. I really noticed it when I tested the Intrepid on the road, too. Between the 700c wheels and the nature of a chromoly frame, you don't feel any bumps.

                        What do you think about the steering on your new Intrepid bike? Does it feel good? I had a hard time getting the hang of it as I am used to more conventional handcycle geometry. On the Intrepid, it felt like I had to get the cranks to "lean" in order to steer, but maybe it's just me. I think Intrepid might be working on a 2nd-generation Touring bike.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by MarkB701 View Post
                          I think so. I remember asking Graham about that, and I think he said you could; you can certainly get the slightly thinner MTB tires on there, the more intermediate ones. And I reckon those might work the best. We would have to ask Intrepid to be sure. My heart was already set on the nice black ones that I didnt ask much about the standard ones.

                          And YES....I am free that weekend. It is actually the one weekend a month that Sam is in MS so it will a boys night out...perhaps we can get Krige and Kenny Herriot to come out? Actually, I bet we can get those boys to come out on a ride...!!!??
                          Mark, sounds good, I'll plan on being there Sat May 5th in the mourning and we will do a ride, I will have my power pod in the trunk of the car if we need it. Send me a PM with your address, I know you had given it to me, but I lost it.
                          "Life is about how you
                          respond to not only the
                          challenges you're dealt but
                          the challenges you seek...If
                          you have no goals, no
                          mountains to climb, your
                          soul dies".~Liz Fordred

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                            #14
                            Ok - time for an update...!!!!

                            There is some good and bad to report. Although the "bad" seems to be my fault in not setting the bike up right for myself first time; and also a problem I have with my own legs that will not apply to many others I suspect...anyway.

                            My average for the 25 miles was a pleasant 17mph.
                            NOTE - my average at the Rome Clocktower race the weekend before was 36 miles at 23mph...that was on my Freedom Ryder and was FAST....




                            Here she is just this last weekend at he Scott Rigsby Foundation 25 mile road race. I finished with an average speed of 17 mph over hilly ground. Needless to say I really stood out from the pack with my bright yellow bike with off-road tires......it was a nice humming sound all the way to the finish lol.



                            There were a whole load of serious cyclists there.....




                            I fitted the panniers to represent it as a "Tourer" - this is how I would travel the country if I could.....stopping from campsite to campsite to rest and (literally) re-charge my batteries...




                            So how is the bike so far???

                            The build is just fine. It is made of cromoly steel and the welds are just fine. The bike feels physically big. The rear wheel option I have is 29" (700c) - these feel massive, but would give great off-road performance. The front wheel is a 26", and the Power Pod is a 24".....so I had THREE different rim sizes. Fortunately, I had loads of room in those panniers for plenty of things, including tubes lol.

                            The steering head itself seems plenty up to the job - no fear of it being weak. However, I reckon the steering circle could be tighter.

                            The main problem I have is with my legs. They are incredibly spastic and my knees try to come together. You can see on that first photo my right knee is in the chain and wheel - this is not normal. So I had real trouble trying to keep my knees out of the tires and chain, especially in corners. This, I feel, is largely a problem specific to me. Perhaps the reason I love my Freedom Ryder lean-to-steer bike is because the legs do not interfere with the steering. My legs do interfere with the steering of the Intrepid, but I am working on ways to minimize this.

                            I also set the bike up wrong. I had the steering damper set to pull the bike to the right. I spent the whole 25 mile race trying to pull the bike to the left. What a dumbass I was. I adjusted it yesterday at home and now it steers true.

                            When riding at speed, I am not particularly comfortable yet. I think the off-road tires, and being high up off the ground, give me the feeling of "floating". The frame has some flex which also give this slight feeling of being disconnected. I think these features will make the bike better off-road, but at this early point, I am not trying to see how fast I can go. And since the Power Pod is good for 30 mph, this is not a perfect match.

                            Actually, I think the 36v Pod is better with the Intrepid than the 48v, perhaps with more power in parallel. The lower power combination might match the handling of the Intrepid better.

                            I have taken the bike on some off-road trails here at home, but will not get too adventerous until I can get some AB friends to come with me. I am worried that the steering circle might be a limiting factor - but I think that is more my legs than the bike.

                            The components are good quality, although I did upgrade the gears from the 24 to the 27, and the wheels are non-standard.

                            The seatback arrived cracked from the shipping. Graham sent a replacement in the mail the next day, he seems like a super nice chap.

                            So, all in all, its a good solid bike. I like the relaxed nature of the bike. IT does feel strong and capable. I wish my legs did not interfere with the turning. I do look forward to some long, off-road touring rides with the Power Pod. So far so good....

                            Last edited by MarkB701; 7 May 2012, 10:15 AM.

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                              #15
                              Just made this short video....

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