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    I bought my permobil chairman brand-new in June 2000. Apart from the bloody joystick which has been replaced at least three times, maybe four in the last four years, the chair has been extremely reliable. The joystick has recently started to malfunction again so I decided "what the heck, 11 1/2 years is pretty good for a chair that I use every single day" so I decided to get myself a Permobil C500S. I was wondering how long you guys have had your electric wheelchair for. I reckon 11 years is not bad for a wheelchair, two sets of batteries and the motors have lasted without being replaced.
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    I had my Quickie 626 for 9 years. 9 snowy, bitterly cold winters with no car, rolling everywhere downtown. The motor had been replaced twice, the batteries about 5 times, and the salt and dirt caked on the frame after each winter was an inch thick!
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      #3
      Are you going with the C500S Corpus or a C500S Corpus 3G. While it is difficult for me to from their UK website if it is available over there right now, but Permobil now offers it on all models except the stander and HD3 here in the States. If it isn't available in the UK, I suspect it will be in the very near future. It should be worth the wait.

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        #4
        i don't know why, but this reminded me of an axe i got when i was twelve.
        it was a great axe
        over the years i changed the handle four times and the head twice
        damn that was a fine axe

        :back on topic:

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          #5
          Originally posted by SCI_OTR View Post
          Are you going with the C500S Corpus or a C500S Corpus 3G. While it is difficult for me to from their UK website if it is available over there right now, but Permobil now offers it on all models except the stander and HD3 here in the States. If it isn't available in the UK, I suspect it will be in the very near future. It should be worth the wait.
          What is the difference between the C500S in the C500S 3G? Just by looking at the specifications I can see straight away that the C 500 S does 1/12MPH quicker than the 3G. I would probably go for the quicker wheelchair stop
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            #6
            This C300 has Corpus 3G seating. Much less flex.



            /forum/showthread.php?t=173121

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                #8
                Ironside, the Permobil you get in the UK will not be the same as what we get in the US. Countries with nationalized health care want chairs that last, because their government pays for it, so they get the best ones. The new US models are designed to only last 5 years.

                I've had my Chairman Entra since 2001, when they were still building them in Sweden, and love it. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for my new C400. I've had nothing but trouble and it's been in the shop for over a year. Apparently there's major problems with the joystick & cables, which are made by PG Drives Technology. There are many complaints, but so far PG is not willing to recall the joysticks/cables or offer any solution. Permobil was sold a few years ago, so maybe they just aren't the good company they used to be.

                Hopefully you will get a fantastic, reliable chair made by Permobil in Sweden!:-)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by beatscookin View Post
                  Ironside, the Permobil you get in the UK will not be the same as what we get in the US. Countries with nationalized health care want chairs that last, because their government pays for it, so they get the best ones. The new US models are designed to only last 5 years.

                  I've had my Chairman Entra since 2001, when they were still building them in Sweden, and love it. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for my new C400. I've had nothing but trouble and it's been in the shop for over a year. Apparently there's major problems with the joystick & cables, which are made by PG Drives Technology. There are many complaints, but so far PG is not willing to recall the joysticks/cables or offer any solution. Permobil was sold a few years ago, so maybe they just aren't the good company they used to be.

                  Hopefully you will get a fantastic, reliable chair made by Permobil in Sweden!:-)
                  interesting, I'm in the UK and I have to buy the wheelchair myself. The wheelchair has two year parts guarantee so I would have thought they stand by their technology, if it's crap then it's going to go wrong well before two years is up, especially if you use the chair a lot like I do. I will mention what you said to them and see what they have to say.

                  But having said this, I am using a permobil chairman which I got in 2000, this I believe has the PG8 joystick which may be what you're talking about. I must admit, I have a lot of trouble with it over the years, it's been replaced about four times and about a month ago it started playing up again, although touchwood, it doesn't seem to be getting any worse. I believe the new models do not use this type of joystick
                  Last edited by Ironside; 1 Feb 2012, 7:37 AM.
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                    Originally posted by Ironside View Post
                    interesting, I'm in the UK and I have to buy the wheelchair myself. The wheelchair has two year parts guarantee so I would have thought they stand by their technology, if it's crap then it's going to go wrong well before two years is up, especially if you use the chair a lot like I do. I will mention what you said to them and see what they have to say.

                    But having said this, I am using a permobil chairman which I got in 2000, this I believe has the PG8 joystick which may be what you're talking about. I must admit, I have a lot of trouble with it over the years, it's been replaced about four times and about a month ago it started playing up again, although touchwood, it doesn't seem to be getting any worse. I believe the new models do not use this type of joystick
                    My Chairman has the old Pilot Plus joystick system which is completely different electronics and joystick than what they use now. I'm not sure if you and I have the same old Chairman joysticks. I've only had to replace my joystick twice in 11 years.

                    I'm very interested in how your new chair turns out for you, and looking forward to comparing notes since we both are used to the Chairman. I can tell you the C400 didn't feel right to me at first. We worked with the programming, and even disabled the "Enhanced Steering Performance." Then the chair died again, and it's been in the shop since mid December.:-(

                    BTW, I started the following thread a few days ago that you might be interested in:
                    Has anyone tried the new Permobil Corpus 3G seating system?
                    /forum/showthread.php?p=1485380#post1485380

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                      #11
                      I have been in touch with Permobil Sweden and put it to them what you said .
                      We are using the latest PG/DT control system on nearly all our chairs. http://www.pgdt.com/products/r-net/index.html

                      But we are using our own ICS seating system.



                      And we are trying to keep the quality at the highest level.

                      The wheelchairs are the same in every country.

                      We want our name to be considered as a top of the line brand, so that we should make chairs that only last 5 years is not true.

                      If you do the recommended maintains of the chair it should give you many years of service.
                      I cannot understand for the life of me why any company would make a wheelchair that is only supposed to last five years, these people have got a reputation to uphold. If everyone's Permobil only lasted five years than they would get a bad reputation and nobody would buy them.

                      Anyway, after shopping around I managed to get £3000 off the initial asking price so I'm quite pleased.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ironside View Post
                        I have been in touch with Permobil Sweden and put it to them what you said .
                        I cannot understand for the life of me why any company would make a wheelchair that is only supposed to last five years, these people have got a reputation to uphold. If everyone's Permobil only lasted five years than they would get a bad reputation and nobody would buy them.

                        Anyway, after shopping around I managed to get £3000 off the initial asking price so I'm quite pleased.
                        I was told by my vendor that the new US Permobils, which will be made in the new California location, will be built to only last 5 years because in the US, Medicaid will pay for a new chair every 5 years. So they assume everyone is going to ask for a new chair after 5 years whether they need it or not. I have to say, I've been given the runaround so many times with this vendor that it's hard to know what is true. But I don't see the advantage to them in making this up if they are still selling Permobils.

                        As far as the joystick/cables problem, I know this is true because, after hearing it from several sources, I called Permobil US directly and they admitted it's a problem with no solution offered at this time. Could it be that we have two different electronics systems because we're in two different countries? In other words, 220 vs. 110 voltage? I'm hoping none of this will affect you, and that you will get a great chair from the Sweden plant.

                        I would love to hear from anyone else regarding these issues because it seems like there's a lot of misinformation out there and it's hard to decipher the fact from fiction.

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                          #13
                          I can't believe that Permobil Sweden would allow this to happen, like I said they have got their reputation to think of, letting another company manufacture inferior chairs using their name would be complete madness. I've I heard that white goods are pretty much made to last only a few years, but wheelchairs, I would be quite sceptical about those claims. I'll put it to Permobil in Sweden and see what they say.

                          Anyway, I have now ordered my Corpus 500 3G. I've ordered the faster version which does 10 km an hour. They put their prices up January 1, 2012, I was initially created for the wheelchair and clamp down system is not far off £20,000, I'm now getting the whole lot for £16,700, just over £3000 discount, in fact it's probably slightly less than I would have paid if we were my last year's prices. However, it still twice as much as you would pay for a small family car which really does disgust me. How can any wheelchair manufacturer justified charging twice as much it would cost to buy a family car?
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                            #14
                            I have no love for most wheelchair manufacturers, especially with regard to prices. However, part of the problem is that power wheelchairs are a relatively small volume product compared to cars. When you look at how many manufacturers there are and divide the chairs among them, they have to be marked up a good bit to recover research and development, and production costs.

                            I got a Permobile M300 3G last August and have not had any significant problems yet. I find it to be a much better outdoor chair than indoor. The 8 inch casters swing in a rather wide arc when reversing direction and if you are close to a wall or something, it is likely to scrape them. Also, it makes for a jerk when reversing directions on carpeting. On the other hand, it will go up 3 inch curbs and cruises over rather rough terrain.
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                              #15
                              Hey Ironside, did you get your new chair yet? If so, how is it?

                              My new (as of Dec 2010) Permobil C400 just came back to me last week after being in the shop again for 6 weeks. I've only had it in my possession in working order for approx 3-4 weeks out of the last year and a half! No joke! So two days after it's been home it just decides to stop in the middle of rolling down the hall. But it starts again right away, so I don't panic. It does this once again on day 3. Day 4 everything seems fine. Day 5 the seat elevator breaks leaving me stranded half way elevated. Arghhhhh! Fortunately I was able to transfer back into my trusty 11 year old Permobil Entra, which is where I've been ever since (and come to think of it, for the last year and a half).

                              What do you all think? Is this chair a lemon? Should I start all over again with a new chair? The Permobil line is completely different now with the new C3 seating system.
                              Last edited by beatscookin; 21 May 2012, 1:37 AM.

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