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    #76
    >>>Can the motor be sealed /waterproof? The reason I ask, I like to fish in saltwater. Sometimes I will go fishing at the beach. I would like to drive a chair in a foot of water

    The gearboxes mostly are. But could be easily made completely waterproof. And stainless steel bearings fitted so the outside edges dont corrode too, just in case. The motors would need stripping, and rebuilding with some RTV silicone, but then yes probably... They wouldnt actually stop working if you dropped them in a bucket of water. But they would corrode and the bearings will die later... Yes I could seal them. Pretty easily I think.

    Your feet will get wet.

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      #77
      I'm just posting the most-likely candidates that are commercially available in the States. One of my personal favorites is the P222SE....





      I've had several veteran's receive this chair when their shoulders began to wear out and they absolutely love it.

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        #78
        I have had only a couple problems with my Omegatrac which is 6 years old, used everyday and oftentimes in very difficult terrain in bad weather. But is large and heavy. The compressor box which inflates my air suspension used to short out because of fluid left over from compressing the air. New one has drain, no more problems.

        Sealed bearing in right axle began to leak in hot weather. Changed oil in transaxle and added a little stoplleak and no more problem. Starting to get a little rusty because of all the wet weather here around the great lakes but runs fantastic.

        I would love to have one of Burgermans but impossible for me to build with no hand function and limited electrical skills. Maybe some manufacturer will get with the program but I seriously doubt it.
        Last edited by forestranger52; 2 Apr 2011, 7:43 PM.
        C 5/6 Comp.
        No Tri's or hand function.

        Far better it is to try mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure. Than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much or suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory or defeat.

        Teddy Roosevelt

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          #79
          Thanks a lot SCI, Looked at the video and looks interesting. SOmething I might be interested in and use, compact, something I can transfer from into the drivers seat.

          Keep 'em coming, really!

          Post: Just looked at the reviews from the tech guide site; not too complimentary. What problems are you seeing ?

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            #80
            Burgerman, sounds like it's time to quit making the chairs on your bed and manufacturing. Really glad you're putting your input in here.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
              Thanks a lot SCI, Looked at the video and looks interesting. SOmething I might be interested in and use, compact, something I can transfer from into the drivers seat.

              Keep 'em coming, really!

              Post: Just looked at the reviews from the tech guide site; not too complimentary. What problems are you seeing ?
              That would be very cool to see someone completely unassisted transfer themselves into the car with that power chair. Not that you'd want to do it regularly, but it looks feasible.

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                #82
                I have a VMI van, so would drive up the ramp and transfer to the seat; if possible. I want the option of driving from the drivers seat and not the chair.

                I think if a operson could transfer to a car from that chair, they wouldn't need a pc.lol

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
                  Thanks a lot SCI, Looked at the video and looks interesting. SOmething I might be interested in and use, compact, something I can transfer from into the drivers seat.

                  Keep 'em coming, really!

                  Post: Just looked at the reviews from the tech guide site; not too complimentary. What problems are you seeing ?
                  Overall, they have been fairly reliable, but it is an old design. The old P&G Pilot+/Qtronix joystick cables are prone to failure and it isn't the quietest chair in the world. I've heard of some issues with moisture resistance as well.

                  These components are readily available since they have been used on a number of manufacturer's models for many years.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Patrick Madsen View Post
                    I have a VMI van, so would drive up the ramp and transfer to the seat; if possible. I want the option of driving from the drivers seat and not the chair.

                    I think if a operson could transfer to a car from that chair, they wouldn't need a pc.lol
                    yeah back to the original point.. it's not about need, it's about improving quality of life.

                    If I could get it into a regular car and drive out to the hiking trail then spend a day on the mountain trail, carrying a days supplies, I'd be a pretty happy cripple.

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                      #85
                      American Trying to Clone a Burgerman Chair

                      Gooserider, my partner, is trying to clone a Burgerman Mark 2 starting with an American equivalent to the F55. Anyone who would like to do the same should either send a message to me or (better) participate in the forums on wheelchairdriver.com.

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                        #86
                        What If One COULD Get a Burgerman chair?

                        If some insane person wanted to start a company building something like the Burgerman chairs, would there be enough demand? Could we prove that there would be demand to a potential investor?

                        I understand that some paras have and like their manual chairs. That is just fine for them. People should do what works for them.

                        However, there appears to be a population in this discussion who would like a Burgerman style chair if they could get one.

                        Mary-Anne

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                          #87
                          The most important thing for me would be if the power chair did make it on snow and how big curbs it could take and at the same time be able too use inside in a shop.

                          The best thing would be if it took a few steps, too
                          TH 12, 43 years post

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by woman from Europe View Post
                            The most important thing for me would be if the power chair did make it on snow and how big curbs it could take and at the same time be able too use inside in a shop.

                            The best thing would be if it took a few steps, too
                            I would love it if my powerchair had wheels that big, especially the casters. I get hung up on things now that those big old casters would just roll right over.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by SCI_OTR
                              I'll post pics or links of my most-commonly prescribed "para" chairs throughout the weekend. This one isn't actually one of them (It's for a C5 quad who needed a tilt system and a very specific configuration to be independent with dressing, transfers, and driving). However, it does demonstrate what can be done to some models to replicate rigid frame seating. It is a TDX SP which we modified to have a fixed front frame and one piece angle adjustable footplate...
                              That footrest looks a lot like what I did by merging my Invacare footrest hangers and the fold up TiLite footrest. I don't really understand your configuration though. Can that footrest be removed for transfers, etc.? What did you use to get that combination? Have you ever tried doing something with the flip-back TiLite footrest? I've been pondering the idea of using it in conjunction with the fold up so I could move the footrest out of the way when needed. I'm incomplete and can still stand and it would be nice to rest my butt every now and then. The fold up is kind of a pain to put on and off, but works much better than the stock footrests that come on the TDX SR/SP.

                              -- David

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                                #90
                                >>> The most important thing for me would be if the power chair did make it on snow and how big curbs it could take and at the same time be able too use inside in a shop.

                                Snow just needs good programming and off road fat tyres with a rearward c of g and big 9.5 x 3 casters which describes my chair perfectly. Works on sand / mud etc too. Those tyres give a very cusioned ride on the rough streets as well.

                                But the small footprint and overall dimensions + rearward c of g that makes it so manoeverable indoors, makes it wheelie like a mad thing, (useful if you use its abilities as in a manual chair) but makes it terrible on curbs much like a manual sports chair. Unless you wheelie up / down them... Which I do. Or Find a ramp...

                                Its very short and tippy! So steep slopes are also best tackled just as a manual chair at speed, or just in reverse. It can climb stupidly steep ramps that way. Even with a beer in one hand! Ask me how I know...

                                Burgerman.

                                PS I have enough problems medically, that building myself a decent chair is painful and slow, so manufacturing them isnt an option. But continued development is. I now LOVE these lithiums. http://www.wheelchairdriver.com/BM-M...powerchair.htm

                                They allow an easy 45 mile and 15mph range. And thats a conservative figure. Actual calculations and measurements show even more speed/range from the above setup will be the reality.

                                OR a much smaller lighter powerchair - like a manual chair construction from carbon/titanium etc with the same performance as todays big monster hi end railway engine built powerchairs. So 3x the speed and 3x the range. Or batteries just much smaller and lighter and more portable.

                                I prefer the former as I use my chairs hard 16 hours a day at times including off road, and at grass airfields etc which murders batteries normally. But HUGE LITHIUM batteries are not cheap. So expect the manufacturers to do the latter and use lithium as a marketing device when they wake up to it and not take advantage of whats possible...

                                You will see smaller batteries rather than real range/performance. Mine has over 3000 watt hours and 45 volts. Lets see where they go! Let me guess. inefficient 24v and about 1500 watt hours... So no gain other than lighter/smaller/marketing advantage.
                                Last edited by buegerman; 3 Apr 2011, 5:26 AM.

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