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    E-motion wheels

    For the member who wondered what chair/wheels set up I have. This is about the best pic I have of them on my Cyclone Mirage Ti chair (similar to a Colours chair in US).

    Hope this helps
    C5/6 incomplete

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      #3
      Gracias.
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        #4
        The new e-motion M15 wheels have officially been released.


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          #5
          you can see in this page http://www.adaptado.es/content/view/134/32/
          a few videos of the power of this wheels, i`ll by a pair when I`ll be old

          the page it`s in Spanish and the videos are in Germany, but you can see in the video what the wheels can do.

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            #6
            Nice set up. What are peoples thoughts on the new Emotions vs Quickie X-tenders? I'm considering getting power assist wheels.
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              #7
              One of my friends have got ones in his tilite tr, and he say that they are fantastic.
              Here is the pic of his tilite, his got a electric quickie titanium so.

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                #8
                I was just wondering if they can be used on a zr/tr. Thanks for pic.

                Can they be cambered? or do they need to be on straight?

                Rhino, what kind of chair do you use? and do you have camber, it doesn't look like it?

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                  #9


                  this set of wheels combined with a projection handrims should be perfect for hi quads like me... awesome..
                  Last edited by chriZ; 15 Mar 2009, 6:25 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by chick View Post
                    I was just wondering if they can be used on a zr/tr. Thanks for pic.

                    Can they be cambered? or do they need to be on straight?

                    Rhino, what kind of chair do you use? and do you have camber, it doesn't look like it?
                    Configuring a rigid frame for optimal "quad self-propulsion" and configuring one for optimal use of power assist wheels are different.

                    If you were selecting a new TiLite chair with power assist wheels in mind, I'd go with the "box" frame TR with the power adaptable frame and a 5" caster. I'd go TR instead of ZR because the installation would be much easier, and considering that the balance of the chair with the 50 lb.+ e-motions will, by it's very nature, be very front heavy. The impact of the casters with cracks in the sidewalk and other pavement discrepancies will be much greater. Having a lower frame rail will reinforce the caster housing. While I'm guessing you normally use a 3 or 4" caster, I recommend a slightly larger diameter caster to help offset the effect of harder impacts.

                    Frank Mobility says no more than 2 degrees of camber, but TiLite's power adaptable frame option requires 0 degrees.

                    Rear STF height also becomes more-difficult to determine. More dump doesn't equal better power-assisted propulsion like it does with manual propulsion. The hand rims will be out slightly more to the sides and a longer push stroke provides much less benefit. With power assist wheels, you are essentially using the handrim as a proportional switch which tells the motors how hard to work. Postural stability should be the primary factor in determining the amount of dump you need. Since both the TR and ZR are both fixed rear STF height models, I would recommend anyone considering e-motions demo a set on an adjustable rigid frame and get everything dialed in before spec'ing anything out.

                    I used to have a demo set of e-motion M11's installed on a demo Invacare A4 titanium with 3-4" of seat dump. The Invacare rep needed to take the A4 back, so we installed the M11's on one of our inpatient loaner Invacare ProSpin X4 folders with 70 degree swingaways and <2" of seat dump. To my surprise, the e-motion wheels actually worked much better on the ProSpin!

                    I guess the point I'm trying to make is not to assume that the usual paradigms used with manual chairs automatically apply to manual chairs with power assist wheels.

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                      #11
                      My Kuschall Airlite Pro has 2 degrees camber. On the Kuschall, is the camber adjustable or will I need to order a whole different 0 degree camber tube? It seems I remember my DME being able to adjust the camber when I first got the chair with just a tool.

                      Ideally I want to put Emotions on my Kuschall and use my ZRA as my normal pushing chair and just trade off depending on what I'm doing that day.

                      I hear the new M15 are lighter, make your wc not quite as wide, and have better battery life. I like the look better too.
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                        #12
                        The new ones look good. Hope they're more reliable.

                        Chick. I do have camber. 1 - 2 degrees I think.

                        I got E-motions straight out of rehab and they were great because my C5/6 grip is too poor to brake safely on slopes.

                        They allowed me to go plenty of places a manual without wouldn't. I have them on a Cyclone Mirage Ti.

                        However, as my life became busier and I began to do more mileage, to and from work, all over the city, in and out of cabs, trains etc then I began to get frustrated by battery life and reliability.

                        The batteries will last half a day, I bought a second charger ($800) so I could charge at work ready for the evening. So far so good but the battery life begins to diminish asignificantly the more you charge them.

                        A replacement set is $800.

                        In 4 years I've gone through eight sets of batteries, two sets of E-motions and five chargers (the leads break).

                        When they work as they are supposed to they are excellent. If you aren't going to hammer them as I have they will be less frustrating.

                        They do widen your chair a couple of inches because they sit further out than convential wheels.

                        I now alternate between the E-motion chair and a Frontier X5 which goes ANYWHERE and is ridiculously robust and reliable.
                        C5/6 incomplete

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                          #13
                          The M15's add less overall width and the new lithium ion batteries last 2-3 times longer than the previous generation's nickel-metal hydride batteries. Frank Mobility lists the range as up to 16 miles and references a standardized protocol behind the basis for their claim.

                          One notable thing about them is that you need a wireless remote to change speeds or activate the hill holder function. The remote is about the same size as a TV remote, and the user needs to figure out where to keep it on the chair so that it is readily available.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lorrie View Post
                            Nice set up. What are peoples thoughts on the new Emotions vs Quickie X-tenders? I'm considering getting power assist wheels.
                            I have the Quickie extenders and love them. I tested both but felt the e-motion were a little to touch sensitive for me. Now that I am used to the power assist not sure if I would be bothered by the e-motion or not. My batteries last me all day and I do a lot of running around. My charger did crap out on me and am borrowing one from a friend until mine new one is shipped. I think two batteries are a must at all times, one in the charger one on the chair.
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                              #15
                              Aly did you trial the M15 E-motion or M12? Do the Extenders have to be fitted on a Quickie chair? I hear the Extenders have an auto off after 5 minutes, is this just when they haven't been used for that length of time?

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