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    I have met Dr. Davies and for what its worth I can confirm he is a genuine good researcher with great stamina and know-how as for finding SCI cures - if all scientists was like him things would go smoother - and not only that, he gives of himself to the community by attending SCI conferences for spinal cord injured persons. And if some have doubts about the importance and possibilities as for astrocyte research - just check out the scientific literature on that subject.

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      susan m,

      dr.davies probably is one of the nicest men on earth and i hope his therapy is the real deal. i have no way of knowing other than what is public knowledge. if someone tells me they have something fantastic but they can't show it to me, then my first and strongest reaction is strong disbelief. i feel you and charles hansen are genuine in your beliefs, but so are the supporters of medra,geeta shroff,x-cell,ken bryant etc.etc.etc.

      i hope you charles are the believers in reality and i am just way too cynical, but my cynicism has been justified in most if not all.

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        Originally posted by nrf View Post
        susan m,

        dr.davies probably is one of the nicest men on earth and i hope his therapy is the real deal. i have no way of knowing other than what is public knowledge. if someone tells me they have something fantastic but they can't show it to me, then my first and strongest reaction is strong disbelief. i feel you and charles hansen are genuine in your beliefs, but so are the supporters of medra,geeta shroff,x-cell,ken bryant etc.etc.etc.

        i hope you charles are the believers in reality and i am just way too cynical, but my cynicism has been justified in most if not all.
        I see. Now I understand your "Kool-Aid" reference. Please know that although I have written about my visits to Dr. Davies lab, I have also visited and spoken with a number of researchers from all over the country. As a result, I have learned a lot about the field and the effort involved in the research process as well as a few things that come up in conversation that may not be published. It is not my information to share. This is not uncommon and a lot of people talk to a number of researchers--I am certainly no one special. As this thread happens to be particular to Dr. Davies, I have tried to post a bit of what I can and share my optimism with others who may not have the same opportunities.
        Last edited by Susan M; 25 Aug 2011, 10:32 AM. Reason: typo
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          susan m,

          thank you for your understanding and i sure hope you're right. i just wanted you to know my "Kool-Ade" reference came from charles hanson's post #1126, it wasn't my brainstorm.

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            Originally posted by Susan M View Post
            I have tried to post a bit of what I can and share my optimism with others who may not have the same opportunities.
            Thank you Susan, please keep doing so & don't pay too much attention to the excess of criticism, time will tell, hopefully very soon.
            In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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              Originally posted by Charles Hansen View Post
              To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Davies has never solicited funds on this forum -- not even "Just A Dollar A Day"....
              Correction. Dr. Davies had directly/indirectly solicited funds from the CareCure community, and has acknowledged it. You might have forgotten but it was discussed earlier.

              In my opinion, Dr. Davies is doing great things. He has partially severed the spinal cords of rats and produced far greater regrowth across the injury site than any other group. The key to this regrowth is not to use neurons, but rather astrocytes. He then demonstrated that there are (at least) two distinct populations of astrocytes. Next he demonstrated that one type of astrocyte gives no recovery, while the other gives robust (ie, "works every time") recovery. Finally, his most recent published paper showed that human stem cells could be used to repair rat spinal cords. This is exceedingly significant as it shows that there is a great likelihood that the results from rats will translate to humans.

              In his last appearance at this forum Dr. Davies reiterated his commitment towards curing chronic injuries, and this was recently confirmed by Susan.

              Doesn't taste like Kool-Ade to me.
              What I have come to understand over years of following SCI cure research is that human injury models are contusion as a rule and transection (from knife/bullet injury) as an exception. So far, Dr. Davies' published research/papers have been based on transected spinal cord. Recovery from chronic contusion injury in mouse/rat models would be the analog for us chronics. He had started work on such mouse models with Decorin alone and in combination with type I astrocytes long ago. There has been no information on the results. In its absence speculation suggests that Decorin alone was probably not found to be effective enough in chronic contusion injury model. Then again it can be speculated that efforts (Decorin plus other things) are ongoing, and we will know in the next five years. Of course, if history is any guide, we will probably be repeating that every year.

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                Originally posted by paolocipolla View Post
                time will tell, hopefully very soon.
                That was the same belief I had when the first glowingly positive reports came out about Davies research progress. That was nearly 7 years ago.

                There is absolutely nothing wrong with failure (e.g. missing expected time lines). It seems the disillusionment is a result of the combination ongoing proclamations of 'great things are just around the corner' with no apparent translation to human trials.

                To be clear, Davies basic research is important and impressive but it was the possibility of human treatment that lead me to donate several thousand dollars to his work (via the CU Fund) from 2006 to 2009.
                Last edited by quadfather; 26 Aug 2011, 1:31 AM.

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                  Originally posted by quadfather View Post
                  That was the same belief I had when the first glowingly positive reports came out about Davies research progress. That was nearly 7 years ago.

                  There is absolutely nothing wrong with failure (e.g. missing expected time lines). It seems the disillusionment is a result of the combination ongoing proclamations of 'great things are just around the corner' with no apparent translation to human trials.

                  To be clear, Davies basic research is important and impressive but it was the possibility of human treatment that lead me to donate several thousand dollars to his work (via the CU Fund) from 2006 to 2009.
                  What I see here is a "public relation" problem.
                  Public relations are not easy to deal with, that is why there are people trained for this kind of job. Here in Italy, for example, a sociologist has been brave enough to set up a college degree in "Public Ralations" with masters etc...many years ago.
                  The first time I heard of it I smiled... then, in a "creazy moment" I ended up in this college and I have understood why there is the need of profetionally managed public relations.

                  Going back to Davies, I have donated too. I am confident we will soon find out we have donated for something really good.
                  As you know when donating for medical research there many unpredictible obstacles that may get on the way of results even when the finish line is in sight.
                  In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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                    I think we all are confident he will suprise us with a big bang quite soon.

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                      Originally posted by east dragon View Post
                      dr.xiao is a chinese doctor,when he Collect a large amount of money from the patients with sci in his Clinical trials,dr zouzi fang criticized in websit. dr xiao let his friends go to kill dr zouzi xiao, dr zouz xiao was Minor injury by Hammer hit. dr xiao go into the prison。
                      dr xiao is a rascal and criminals and liar!
                      almost anyone knew his bad thing in china!
                      Dear East Dragon,

                      Thank you for the information, as it is not readily available in the US. I am glad that Dr. Fang only suffered minor injuries and also that Dr. Xiao is now in prison.

                      To the other readers of this forum,

                      This is an extreme example of the kind of "competition" and "dirty tricks" that sadly occurs in too many fields of human endeavor. Remember when Tonya Harding's boyfriend injured Nancy Kerrigan before the 1994 World Ice Skating Championships? So sadly, this type of behavior is not limited to countries outside of the US. Usually it is more subtle than that, but there are "dirty tricks" in every field -- including politics, entertainment, sports, and scientific research.

                      Best,
                      Charles Hansen

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                        Originally posted by nrf View Post
                        you defend dr.davies, you promote dr.davies, you insinuate that because dr.davies doesn't even ask for "a dollar a day" he is on higher moral ground than dr.young..
                        I merely stated a few facts. You inferred whatever you wanted to from those facts. I have no idea who is behind "Just A Dollar A Day", how much has been collected, where the money goes, and what published studies (or clinical trials) have resulted. Do you?

                        Originally posted by nrf View Post
                        in dr. davies last post on this forum he stated clearly that his only concern was beating his scientific $competitors$. i feel that form of motivation is counter productive and not indicative of a personality trying to help others, but more self promoting.
                        Geez, you don't have to go around making stuff up!

                        Dr. Davies' last post can be found here:

                        /forum/showthread.php?p=1176407#post1176407

                        He said no such thing as you claim.

                        Originally posted by nrf View Post
                        the only information you share is poisoned "Kool-Ade" that you eagerly push on the general public.
                        Actually I stopped sharing any information years ago, as all it does is bring abuse on both Dr. Davies and myself. Sort of like your caustic post attacking me.

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                          Originally posted by Schmeky View Post
                          I'm not trying to throw a sting bomb in anybody's rose parade.
                          Schmeky, you asked Susan for links to published works on chronic research, did you not?

                          And you also realize that such links do not exist, do you not?

                          So how is knowingly asking for non-existent publications "not trying to throw a stink bomb"?

                          But maybe I'm missing something. That's not unusual.

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                            charles hanson,

                            "When our new data is published this year - no one except maybe my scientific competitors (some of whom I'm told read my posts on this forum) are going to be disappointed."

                            this is a direct quote from dr. davies last post on care cure, the same one you went to the trouble of looking up. how could you misunderstand this quote to mean anything other than he's concerned with beating his competitors. not to mention the fact that what year was he talking about his data being published,he said this year. he must have been pointing at a calendar from 2015 when he typed that line.

                            please don't call your opinions facts, they are hued by your rose colored glasses.

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                              Originally posted by Charles Hansen View Post
                              I have no idea who is behind "Just A Dollar A Day", how much has been collected, where the money goes, and what published studies (or clinical trials) have resulted. Do you?
                              Seriously? You've been here since 2008 and haven't figured out that Just A Dollar A Day goes to the SCINetUSA clinical trials? Dr. Young has been nothing but transparent, not to mention prolific, about both the trials and the fundraising process. Like, hundreds, if not thousands of posts, most in this little corner of the forum.

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                                We need to be united, even in hard times. Is useless and counterproductive bite the hand that is trying to help you.
                                Support him if you want, or put your effort into another aproach, but we donĀ“t need internal wars.
                                -Ramps in buildings are necessary, but it would be usefull to have another ones for people (mind/heart).....

                                -Hoc non pereo habebo fortior me

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