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  • Originally posted by Shwetarose
    Dear Dr.Wise Young and CC members


    Dr.Young i was unable to find answers as doc was not available.i waould still find the answers as i reach there and go for treatment.

    CC members, i m offset for treatment on thrusday. that will be my first day. I m taking risk but at the same time hv lil hopes to gain something. The therapy will be using Human Embryonic stemcells. I hv to be in delhi for 1.5 month as doc said there will be one injection in one week. Lets hope for the best. i request all cc members to wait untill i get some gain.

    Wish me luck. i hv to stay away fom my family,frds and loved ones, that will be lil hard. I will be updating soon.

    Hope for the best.

    With love
    Shweta.
    How was this treatment ?

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    • Best of luck to you, hope you have grate results!! hope you post us and keep us to date when you return!!!

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      • Eagles Fly Alone, Anyone shed some light on where "DO DO" Birds Fly?.. Spidergirl ??

        Originally posted by spidergirl View Post
        Are we still running around w/ this garbage. This is a SCAM! And you can tell Dr. India I said so!
        Clearly Spidergirl you are making a fool of yourself putting down a classy, compassionate, intelligent lady like Geeta. ..... its science luv and you were told that you need patients from the beginning and might have to wait longer than 2 minutes from the time you begin treatment to be able to do backflips.
        I have had nothing but success from the treatment, its changed my life. I do what you call "putting in effort" in my physio program and i'm gaining results everyday, although i will admit its slow.
        For somebody who think its a scam, wouldn't you just wipe your hands and leave it alone..... ???
        No you are curious and keep checking in ...just in case.
        well Keep spinning your webs little girl and leave the hard stuff to those who believe in the science, understand there are no record books written to display proof and put themselves on the firing line to get the ball rolling for others !!

        your truly

        a patient who sincerely Thank Dr Shroff!!!

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        • Originally posted by doris daydreamer View Post
          Clearly Spidergirl you are making a fool of yourself putting down a classy, compassionate, intelligent lady like Geeta. ..... its science luv and you were told that you need patients from the beginning and might have to wait longer than 2 minutes from the time you begin treatment to be able to do backflips.
          I have had nothing but success from the treatment, its changed my life. I do what you call "putting in effort" in my physio program and i'm gaining results everyday, although i will admit its slow.
          For somebody who think its a scam, wouldn't you just wipe your hands and leave it alone..... ???
          No you are curious and keep checking in ...just in case.
          well Keep spinning your webs little girl and leave the hard stuff to those who believe in the science, understand there are no record books written to display proof and put themselves on the firing line to get the ball rolling for others !!

          your truly

          a patient who sincerely Thank Dr Shroff!!!
          doris daydreamer,

          Welcome to carecure. I know that you are new here and may not know the rules on the site. We have two rules on this site. The first is no attacks of other members. The second is no spam/advertisements.

          If you disagree with another member, please disagree with what the member says without attacking that member with names, sarcastic remarks, or other personal insults. All that does is create a fight, which usually hijacks the thread and interferes with communication.

          If you want to praise Dr. Geeta Shroff, please do so. We encourage views from people who have had treatments, particularly claims that are supported by evidence. Thanks very much.

          Wise.

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          • Excuse me,

            I am not sure who you think you are quoting something I said months ago. Is it because you want me to post? Well congrats, your making me post. First of all, if there was a therpay proven to be effective it would make headline news. I stand by what I say by saying Dr. Geeta Shroff whoever is a scam artist. Frankly, these people should go to jail for talking peoples money and injecting them with god knows what and charging people on top of it.

            We are all entitled to our own opinion. I am not saying anything against the people that want to try it. It is not my fault that they are not wise enough to know that currently there is nothing that can help us.

            These people are being used as rodents and guinea pigs and money is being taken to do this. It’s extremely pathetic and I will say it again that nobody should be getting any of this stuff done to them because it is not working nor true.

            I know spinal cord injury is horrible and it hurts people and so many are desperate and will try anything... but please, this is hurting our community and it's causing innocent uneducated people to be human rodents to fictitious phony liars that want fame and money and you get nothing in return.

            Dr. Geeta Shroff whatever is a joke and a phony. If she was real I would have been there a long time ago.
            Do not insult me for my opinions. If anything you should thank me for opening up people’s eyes so that others don’t become a victim to being sacrificed and lied to.

            Dr. Geeta is nobody until she can prove she is a somebody. Thus far, she is beyond a disgrace for what she is doing to young desperate uneducated people’s lives. This is unacceptable and I don’t know how this country can allow such a thing.
            Birds Fly in Flocks, but Eagles Fly Alone...

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            • Originally posted by spidergirl View Post
              Excuse me,

              I am not sure who you think you are quoting something I said months ago. Is it because you want me to post? Well congrats, your making me post. First of all, if there was a therpay proven to be effective it would make headline news. I stand by what I say by saying Dr. Geeta Shroff whoever is a scam artist. Frankly, these people should go to jail for talking peoples money and injecting them with god knows what and charging people on top of it.

              We are all entitled to our own opinion. I am not saying anything against the people that want to try it. It is not my fault that they are not wise enough to know that currently there is nothing that can help us.

              These people are being used as rodents and guinea pigs and money is being taken to do this. It’s extremely pathetic and I will say it again that nobody should be getting any of this stuff done to them because it is not working nor true.

              I know spinal cord injury is horrible and it hurts people and so many are desperate and will try anything... but please, this is hurting our community and it's causing innocent uneducated people to be human rodents to fictitious phony liars that want fame and money and you get nothing in return.

              Dr. Geeta Shroff whatever is a joke and a phony. If she was real I would have been there a long time ago.
              Do not insult me for my opinions. If anything you should thank me for opening up people’s eyes so that others don’t become a victim to being sacrificed and lied to.

              Dr. Geeta is nobody until she can prove she is a somebody. Thus far, she is beyond a disgrace for what she is doing to young desperate uneducated people’s lives. This is unacceptable and I don’t know how this country can allow such a thing.
              What an arrogant insulting post.

              I understand you don't believe the procedure works and thats fine but you shouldn't attack others as "uneducated" because they believe they recieved benefit from the procedure. you don't know how well educated they are on the topic. maybe what you consider a lack of education is really just a different perspective on the subject. the guy just said he is happy with the procedure he had so maybe it was a good idea for him.

              Im also tired of people saying "if it works it would be headline news". Noone knows if thats true because it not like a procedure will return all function instantly to create headlines. its a slow process no matter the effectiveness and slow processes don't usually cause huge headlines especially if there experimental and not in america or funded by big companies.

              but the main point is attack procedures, but do make assumptions about the people who try them. imagine if a experiemental procedure is proven to work, you'd idiotic tyraids will be forever immortalized on this message board. and that last line was a dose of your own medicine...

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              • Eric,

                Please do not attack other members. I realize that you made an effort not to do so but when you start a post by calling another post "insulting and arrogant", that will only lead to a fight. That is something that we don't need. I respect and defend you and your right to believe that Dr. Shroff's therapy is promising and even curative, in the same way that I believe Spidergirl has a right to express the opinion that the therapy is a scam. Thanks. Wise.

                Wise.

                Originally posted by Eric.S View Post
                What an arrogant insulting post.

                I understand you don't believe the procedure works and thats fine but you shouldn't attack others as "uneducated" because they believe they recieved benefit from the procedure. you don't know how well educated they are on the topic. maybe what you consider a lack of education is really just a different perspective on the subject. the guy just said he is happy with the procedure he had so maybe it was a good idea for him.

                Im also tired of people saying "if it works it would be headline news". Noone knows if thats true because it not like a procedure will return all function instantly to create headlines. its a slow process no matter the effectiveness and slow processes don't usually cause huge headlines especially if there experimental and not in america or funded by big companies.

                but the main point is attack procedures, but do make assumptions about the people who try them. imagine if a experiemental procedure is proven to work, you'd idiotic tyraids will be forever immortalized on this message board. and that last line was a dose of your own medicine...
                Last edited by Wise Young; 02-13-2009, 02:51 PM.

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                • May god be with you on your journey. Best of luck i will pray that you are healed.....evansmom

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                  • Originally posted by spidergirl View Post
                    Excuse me,

                    I am not sure who you think you are quoting something I said months ago. Is it because you want me to post? Well congrats, your making me post. First of all, if there was a therpay proven to be effective it would make headline news. I stand by what I say by saying Dr. Geeta Shroff whoever is a scam artist. Frankly, these people should go to jail for talking peoples money and injecting them with god knows what and charging people on top of it.

                    We are all entitled to our own opinion. I am not saying anything against the people that want to try it. It is not my fault that they are not wise enough to know that currently there is nothing that can help us.

                    These people are being used as rodents and guinea pigs and money is being taken to do this. It’s extremely pathetic and I will say it again that nobody should be getting any of this stuff done to them because it is not working nor true.

                    I know spinal cord injury is horrible and it hurts people and so many are desperate and will try anything... but please, this is hurting our community and it's causing innocent uneducated people to be human rodents to fictitious phony liars that want fame and money and you get nothing in return.

                    Dr. Geeta Shroff whatever is a joke and a phony. If she was real I would have been there a long time ago.
                    Do not insult me for my opinions. If anything you should thank me for opening up people’s eyes so that others don’t become a victim to being sacrificed and lied to.

                    Dr. Geeta is nobody until she can prove she is a somebody. Thus far, she is beyond a disgrace for what she is doing to young desperate uneducated people’s lives. This is unacceptable and I don’t know how this country can allow such a thing.
                    i agree, dr.Geeta is in it for the $$$$$$$, she don't care for the ppl, she and other 'scamers' should be in jail. we all know who 'they' are..
                    http://www.facebook.com/ivicamaotze.rod

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                    • Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
                      Eric,

                      Please do not attack other members. I realize that you made an effort not to do so but when you start a post by calling another post "insulting and arrogant", that will only lead to a fight. That is something that we don't need. I respect and defend you and your right to believe that Dr. Shroff's therapy is promising and even curative, in the same way that I believe Spidergirl has a right to express the opinion that the therapy is a scam. Thanks. Wise.

                      Wise.
                      I don't know if doctor shroff's procedure works at all, but I do know people don't deserve to be insulted for trying or believing in a procedure. Why is that allowed? is that not a personal attack? I mean I called the post insulting for a reason, it was.

                      i dont see a problem with attacking a procedure or even the procedure provider but the participants are just trying there best to do something with there lives. what if i came on this board and called those who believe in Geron's Embryonic stem cell trials "uneducated". both have produced the same results so far and according to some shroff's procedure has the lead...


                      I've never seen such an atmosphere where closed mindedness is so accepted. lack of evidence doesn't equal ineffectiveness. lack of evidence just means we don't know. in such a psuedo scientific community as this board you would think that attitude would be reflected...
                      Last edited by Eric.S; 02-13-2009, 04:04 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Eric.S View Post
                        what if i came on this board and called those who believe in Geron's Embryonic stem cell trials "uneducated". both have produced the same results so far and according to some shroff's procedure has the lead...
                        Dude! Put Down the pipe! Slowly step away from the bong! You must be high... GERON has spent years and millions of dollars studying, and preparing for a public clinical trial. They submitted 40,000 pages of documentation to the FDA and will continue to contribute to the worldwide scientific effort. and when they do finally inject cells into someone's spines, they won't be charging $30,000 and lining their pockets. hardly the same results. To compare their work with Dr. Shroff's regardless of how you feel about her work is ludicrous.

                        Just my .0 I2 by
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                        Awe at my magnificent coq!

                        "You may say I'm a dreamer
                        but I'm not" - J. Lennon

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                        • Originally posted by eks View Post
                          Dude! Put Down the pipe! Slowly step away from the bong! You must be high... GERON has spent years and millions of dollars studying, and preparing for a public clinical trial. They submitted 40,000 pages of documentation to the FDA and will continue to contribute to the worldwide scientific effort. and when they do finally inject cells into someone's spines, they won't be charging $30,000 and lining their pockets. hardly the same results. To compare their work with Dr. Shroff's regardless of how you feel about her work is ludicrous.

                          Just my .0 I2 by
                          you missed the jist.

                          I wasn't comparing the 2 organizations. the point was why is it ok to insult those who participate or believe in one but not the other.

                          and since you felt comfortable enough to insinuate I am high I'm gonna feel free in suggesting you work a little harder on your reading comprehension and try to follow the "disscussion" a little better.

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                          • Originally posted by Eric.S View Post
                            I don't know if doctor shroff's procedure works at all, but I do know people don't deserve to be insulted for trying or believing in a procedure. Why is that allowed? is that not a personal attack? I mean I called the post insulting for a reason, it was.

                            i dont see a problem with attacking a procedure or even the procedure provider but the participants are just trying there best to do something with there lives. what if i came on this board and called those who believe in Geron's Embryonic stem cell trials "uneducated". both have produced the same results so far and according to some shroff's procedure has the lead...


                            I've never seen such an atmosphere where closed mindedness is so accepted. lack of evidence doesn't equal ineffectiveness. lack of evidence just means we don't know. in such a psuedo scientific community as this board you would think that attitude would be reflected...
                            Eric,

                            Please, I am asking for you to refrain from attacking members. Just because Spidergirl called people who go to Geeta Shroff uneducated doesn't mean that you should be calling people arrogant, close-minded, and pseudoscientific. Let's talk about the issue rather than attack the people.

                            I agree with you that lack of evidence just means we don't know. But surely you would agree that it has gone far beyond just lack of evidence. When Geeta Shroff has treated hundreds of patients, charged them millions for the treatments, and have made incredible claims of cure for many years, the excuses that "there is no data" and "we don't know" are no longer acceptable.

                            For years, I gave Dr. Shroff the benefit of the doubt and withheld criticism when many others were condemning her. But, I can't give her that benefit any more. For her to claim that she is curing people with human embryonic stem cells but not to provide the evidence that she is actually transplanting such cells and curing people is tantamount to saying that she has the biggest diamond in the world but nobody is allowed to see or inspect it to verify the claim.

                            Wise.

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                            • I don’t mean to say that people getting Geeta or any other experimental procedures are uneducated in a sense where their stupid. I mean it in a way where they have not explored the spinal cord injury community enough to know that getting a procedure from this lady is not only wrong but can potentially DESTROY YOU for any other type of real proven therapy in the future.

                              I have had many people ask me from around the world about many different procedures and I have advised everyone to not get anything. A lot of people don’t take the time to explore the field a little further before they run off and get something that is an experiment from someone because they have a PHD and claim you will get function back.

                              This is complete and absolute malpractice in my opinion, and not only should everyone in India who received this procedure sue Dr. Geeta Groff for their money back but also protest against false claims and accusations by a doctor whose doors should be shut down.

                              I will say to her and any of her people who are reading this that it is unequivocally wrong what she’s doing, unhuman, malpractice, and her license should be taken away. I believe every dollar that she received for sacrificing humans as guinea pigs should be returned to the government officials in India so they can build something that has more substance..

                              The only good from this, but sad for the people who received these silly experiments from Geeta Groff, is that they educated us on how phony and what a liar she is. I will go on national TV and everywhere else and say this woman is a fraud and whoever else wants to hurt us more than we already are. Thank God for Care Cure because hopefully people thinking about becoming a human guinea pig for this woman, and many others, will think twice and realize that you will get nothing back except an empty pocket.

                              Please someone throw this woman in jail or protest against her to stop this. She is hurting people in the spinal cord injury community. I care about people with spinal cord injuries, I truly do, and the best thing we have to do is wait. Move on with your life, stay on top of the field, but wait.
                              Birds Fly in Flocks, but Eagles Fly Alone...

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                              • Originally posted by doris daydreamer View Post
                                Clearly Spidergirl you are making a fool of yourself putting down a classy, compassionate, intelligent lady like Geeta. ..... its science luv and you were told that you need patients from the beginning and might have to wait longer than 2 minutes from the time you begin treatment to be able to do backflips.
                                I have had nothing but success from the treatment, its changed my life. I do what you call "putting in effort" in my physio program and i'm gaining results everyday, although i will admit its slow.
                                For somebody who think its a scam, wouldn't you just wipe your hands and leave it alone..... ???
                                No you are curious and keep checking in ...just in case.
                                well Keep spinning your webs little girl and leave the hard stuff to those who believe in the science, understand there are no record books written to display proof and put themselves on the firing line to get the ball rolling for others !!

                                your truly

                                a patient who sincerely Thank Dr Shroff!!!
                                I don't usually get involved in these topics, well I really never do, but isn't your post a little contradictory. You state that you have to wait more than two minutes to gain something, well in your words to do backflips, then why don't you say this to Geeta Shroff who goes on TV interviews, well at least from what I have seen, saying that her procedure got people full funtion of bowel, bladder and things such as sensation and some motor function in as little as two months! Since it may be impossible then to have huge amounts of recovery which comes so fast, may it be that a number of people that go there are having placebo effects then? Why doesn't Geeta Shroff state that recovery should take a while, as therapies may take a while to restore function, but her therapy has miraculously restored a lot in a very fast time??? You also state that you have had nothing but success from the treatment, which I'm happy for you and hope you get even more success than you have already had, but you go on to say that you have been working hard on your physical therapy and continue to do so, whilst continuing to keep seeing minor improvements. Now can you be so sure that this is the therapy, or can it just be the rehab as people like Dr.MacDonald have had good results as well using only rehab based techniques on patients. I hope that you just continue on with this physical type therapy that is most likely helping you recovery. Lastly, you go on to state that Geeta Shroff is compassionate. Tell me, which type of compassionate person will keep on charging people for therapies that are claimed to help them, whilst having no hard proof of that, instead of organising a clinical trial where people shall test the therapy for free and which shall then be available to everyone once it has been established that the therapy works? I mean if she is so certain that what she is doing works, then wouldn't the compassionate thing to do be to organise trials for people to get tested on for free and then making the therapy available to all with evidence that it works? I would like to get your opinions on the above things. Thanks.

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