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    why i show no interest in esc

    i want a sci cure A.S.A.P.
    can a sci cure be found using esc? yes
    can a sci cure be found using asc? yes

    which would be quickier today, asc or esc?
    i think asc.
    which would have been quicker election 2000?
    maybe esc.

    for 3 years half of sci scientist have sat on their ass doing nothing while bitching about esc. its done, move on. time is being wasted. i want to fight sci, not fight the esc. esc is not our only choice. if it was, then i would be pro-kerry. the election of 2000 settled esc vs asc debate for me. too fight the esc battle would take yearsssssssss. a right wing half of the country wont allow kerry open esc research. that would just lead to abortion vs anti-abortion and on and on. i want the easiest and quickest path to the cure. esc is no longer the easiest and will not be the quickest.

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    i want the easiest and quickest path to the cure. esc is no longer the easiest and will not be the quickest.
    da, you nor anyone else can really predict what the easiest and quickest route to a cure will be. We now celebrate when someone gets a little feeling back or has some very minor improvment in feeling. We have a long way to go before someone is completely cured and no one knows how we will get there -- not even you.

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      #3
      You're willing to give up on ESC because you think ASC will lead to a cure faster. [img]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

      I don't care if ASC leads to a cure tomorow, and I'm back to my old self by next year, I'm still going to fight for ESC because I'm tired of these relgious nutbags trying to push science back into the stone ages.

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        #4
        Never put all your eggs in one basket! We should never shut down any avenue to a cure, even if we think its just around the corner. Please help suport anything that may help us. I don't think its a case of religious nutbags, just misinformed and incorrectley orientated people.
        Can't someone explain once and for all what we want to do with esc? Can't someone explain that embryos are being destroyed everyday in invitro fertilisation clinics and we could make them useful instead of being destroyed? Can't someone explain we don't want to clone humans to make supersoldiers?
        I'm not from the US, but I wish everyone could vote in the US elections, as they influence the whole world. Well not everyone!
        I hate it when the first lady says her father died from Alzheimers, is that supposed to mean she knows what we are going through?
        What's her point?

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          #5
          DA, welcome back. What are you talking about? ASC will cure spinal cord injuries. Look at the little things that are happening right now and that's not even half of it. It will be on your doorstep before you know it. Big things are happening, I just wish I can make it to the neuro meeting in October to see the excitement. I'm just waiting for clinical trials just so I can watch everyone's eyes open. Rock on!!!!

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            #6
            The way things are going in the US, a cure for paralysis and many other diseases (using ESC and ASC) will be discovered in places like Portugal, Australia, Great Britain, China and South Korea. We will have the religious fanatics to thank when we schedule our trips to one of these countries for treatment.

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              #7
              The cure will come faster if more funding is available! Bush is already planning cutbacks to NIH funding. His deficit is probably stalling release of the CRPA for vote. ESC and/or ASC will have more funding under a compassionate Democrat controlled government!

              [This message was edited by VJS on 09-05-04 at 08:52 PM.]

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                #8
                ASC has been researched for decades now.

                According to Dr. Weissman, human embryonic stem cells were only first reported in 1998, distributed beyond the founder lab a couple of years later, and first funded by NIH in 2002. NT pluipotent stem cell lines have only been reported once this year, in a report from South Korea.

                Dr. Weissman's Statement regarding ASC, ESC and SCNT at the Stem Cell Hearing

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                  #9
                  DA, it is fine if you are not interested in ESC research. I am surprised, however, that you are condoning an administration that not only obstructed embryonic stem cell research and did not support spinal cord injury clinical trials in the past three years but appears unlikely to do so in the next four years.

                  The critical path is becoming clear.

                  The first step of that path is to have a source of cells that will do the job of bridging the injury site. I hope that adult OEG cells will do the job. If not, fetal OEG cells would be my next choice.

                  The second step is to find a therapy that would maximize growth of axons across the injury site. There are several potential choices, including db cAMP, rho kinase inhibitors.

                  The third step is to replace neurons. At the present, the only cells that have been shown to do that are embryonic stem cells combined with db cAMP or rho kinase inhibitors.

                  The final step is of course to combine all these approaches.

                  Wise.

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                    #10
                    I'm just waiting for clinical trials just so I can watch everyone's eyes open.
                    You're going to need lots of patience since there is currently NO money for SCI clinical trials in the USA.

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                      #11
                      amazing how so many twist up my words then attack...NEWAY.


                      Originally posted by Wise Young:

                      DA, it is fine if you are not interested in ESC research. I am surprised, however, that you are condoning an administration that not only obstructed embryonic stem cell research and did not support spinal cord injury clinical trials in the past three years but appears unlikely to do so in the next four years.
                      not condoning. btw, there has never been a president interested in curing sci. lets just not blame bush, blame them all. i dont expect any future presidents to care. doctors still preach no cure ever. we are alone in this fight and the sooner we realize this, the sooner we will get a cure.


                      The critical path is becoming clear.
                      exactly. now wake up to the possibility that esc will not be availible. move on.

                      The first step of that path is to have a source of cells that will do the job of bridging the injury site. I hope that adult OEG cells will do the job. If not, fetal OEG cells would be my next choice.
                      what about the man made gels?

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                        #12
                        DA,

                        It is unfortunate that you don't believe that our government can do anything for spinal cord injury. The U.S. government supports billions of dollars of research and clinical trials for many diseases and conditions. Why should they not do so for spinal cord injury? Why are you not willing to fight this? Why do you support a President whose record of the last four years indicates that he does not support spinal cord injury research or embryonic stem cell research.

                        Wise.

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                          #13
                          The gov't does not place any priority in spinal cord injury (and ESC) research because of sentiments/positions such as DA's who give AUTHORITY for gov't to do NOTHING, or at most very minimally.

                          However, this is not limited to SCI research.

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                            #14
                            DA I was hoping your argument against ESC was scientific. You have been alluding to the idea that a full cure is on the way and is very close. I thought you might reveal that. I think that it is obvious that ASC are less controversial and would be a easier fight, but I still don't understand you aversion to ESC when there is a possibility to get funding through electing Kerry.
                            "No mother on either side could say that whatever was won was worth my son"--Steve Mason

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                              #15
                              The way this group is in disagreement, you could expect the same results a political party would face if it was polarized. ASC vs ESC, Care vs Cure, Para vs Quad. Look at what this group did to a well meaning parent. It is shameful. You are your own worst enemies. Maybe there is a way to solve this by not alienating differing beliefs. Perhaps giving some credence to negatives of unquestioned abortions by showing some support for the right to life would ease their attack on stem cell research. Perhaps acknowledging some care issues might welcome some families into advocating for a cure. You are not going to have full support when you attack well meaning people. Saying I could give 2 shits about wheelchair sports while I can't move my arm does not help the cause. Saying if you want wheelchair rec, do it on your own only suggests you should do cure funding on your own. You people don't get it. I have been told listen to what they are saying, I have, and I think if you see the whole picture although it might be hard you will get further. I am not a troll, I am a parent of a son with sci, he is not a quad, but a para, is it alright if we include what would be beneficial for him to be apart of discussions? I hope so. And, don't count on Kerry or Bush or that one will solve the problem and the other won't. It takes you out of the equation. Support all SCI issues and attract a larger base, no matter who is president.

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